Wearing the ABU's

[ddelaney103]

Could someone point me to a reference where they talk about the ABU being designed as a garrison uniform?

[Hawk200]

Probably no specific reference other than various AF Times articles, and some news releases.

[JayT]

Probably no specific reference other than various AF Times articles, and some news releases.

I don't remember who mentioned this, but a few months ago I saw an article in the Army Times about a new 'combat uniform' that was designed to be worn under the Interceptor Body Armor, while the ACU's would be the standard 'garrison uniform' for the Army. I'll see if I can dig it out.

[ddelaney103]

Probably no specific reference other than various AF Times articles, and some news releases.

I don't remember who mentioned this, but a few months ago I saw an article in the Army Times about a new 'combat uniform' that was designed to be worn under the Interceptor Body Armor, while the ACU's would be the standard 'garrison uniform' for the Army. I'll see if I can dig it out.

You're probably talking about the "combat shirts" - pullovers with ACU material arms but more of a t-shirt/underarmor-style material on the torso where the IBA goes.  They're talking about the same for the ABU.

They're also talking about a lighter weight shirt for the ABU.  MARPAT is like this: the shirt is a lighter weight than the pants.

[DNall]

Could someone point me to a reference where they talk about the ABU being designed as a garrison uniform?

That's not a stated refernce. It's commentary.

ACUs are designed as a disposable combat uniform & wthout regard to looking good or being practical in a garrison environment. The AF doesn't have those kinds of physical demands on most people.

[Stonewall]

ACUs are designed as a disposable combat uniform & without regard to looking good or being practical in a garrison environment.

And somehow the ACUs, even in garrison, still look good.  To me anyway.  I'm not saying they look "hooah" or "high speed", I genuinely think they look good.  And to me, you can't beat something that looks good and has ultimate functionality, at least as far as modern day field uniforms are concerned.

[lordmonar]

Well....not in my closet....but I got the name tapes ready to sew on as soon as we get a go order!

What color?

White on blue....if CAP decides to go with subdued tapes....I can get those made locally in less that one hour!

[afgeo4]

Could someone point me to a reference where they talk about the ABU being designed as a garrison uniform?

This was something I've read in the AF times, on Military.com and also on the website of the company which was tasked with developing the camo pattern for the ABU (original blue and the one that got adopted). Many fully digitized patterns that were developed by the same company for the same project were turned down in favor of the semi-digital tiger stripe, contrary to their success in field conditions.

The statements were in line with the fact that over 90% of airmen "fight" within the confines of the airbase, so the uniform has to suit THEM. That's why slate blue was added to standard ACU colors. The pattern works well in urban gray jungles of an airbase and the pockets, tailoring, and fabric suit personnel who work in maintenance and such.

Honestly, most Security Forces and Combat Airmen were strongly against both, the camouflage pattern and the design of the uniform. The ACU pattern isn't very effective outside of urban environments and they knew it.

[isuhawkeye]

ABU
Airman Barracks Uniform

[url]http://www.militarytimes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1488/url]

[url]http://www.tigerstripeproducts.com/airforcetiger.htm/url]
Air Force blue can be seen in the pattern design which USAF Leadership specifically wanted to distinguish the uniform as "Air Force". Camouflage effectiveness was a very low ancillary issue.

USAF Leadership chose to adopt this elementary ragged edged stripe like pattern over any of our far superior advanced Battle ready tiger stripe designs.

[JayT]

Sir, the second link is from a company who lost the design competition.

Not exactly objective, is it?

[mikeylikey]

The ACU pattern isn't very effective outside of urban environments and they knew it.

Extensive tests at Program Executive Office (PEO) Soldier determined that the pattern will work well in all environments.  That was why it was chosen.  It would do the Army little good to select a pattern that provided little or no camouflage. 

As far as the ABU goes, it is a garrison uniform.  The uniform page on AF Portal even had a sentence stating to that fact. 

(BTW, is Garrison the right word for describing the base environment in the Air Force lexicon?  Or did the AF get rid of that word too in the 1950's?)

[lordmonar]

ABU
Airman Barracks Uniform

[url]http://www.militarytimes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1488/url]

[url]http://www.tigerstripeproducts.com/airforcetiger.htm/url]
Air Force blue can be seen in the pattern design which USAF Leadership specifically wanted to distinguish the uniform as "Air Force". Camouflage effectiveness was a very low ancillary issue.

USAF Leadership chose to adopt this elementary ragged edged stripe like pattern over any of our far superior advanced Battle ready tiger stripe designs.
[/quote]

You got to be careful with tigerstripeproducts....they lost the design contract and have an axe to grind.

Yes we wanted a distinctive uniform and we did design it to be worn as a "utility" uniform for both home base and forward operations.  It was designed to look good, wear well, and to protect us and provide us some camouflage capabilities.

But here is the thing with camaglage......because you don't know where you are going to operate you cannot ever make a single pattern that will work in ALL environments.

So it is a compromise.

slanted pockets vs vertical, bicep picket, lower pockets/no lower pockets, tucked in/not tucked in.....you will never be able to please all of the people all of the time.

Functional for the average Airman, wear-ability, durability and maintainability....those are the things I want from my utility uniform....and I think we got it.

But we had all those thing with the BDUs and the OD fatigues too....so there you go. 

[mikeylikey]

For those of you still interested in the ABU, I took the following update off the AF Portal (my.af.mil) this evening.  It contains the most recent policies and questions regarding the ABU's.

Here we go........

                                   FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS

                                             AIRMAN BATTLE UNIFORM (ABU)

                                                JANUARY 2008 (updated)

**Yes, a complete set of ABUs is Authorized for Wear NOW!! **

Q1. Can we wear the green ABU boot with all Air Force utility uniforms? If so, when can we wear them and when can we wear the ABU?
A1. Yes, you can wear the green ABU boot with all Air Force utility uniforms now.  This includes the ABU, BDU, DCU, OD green flight suits and desert tan flight suits. They are available for personal purchase (not issue or unit funded purchase) in AAFES, Military Clothing Sales Stores. The official authority, via 8106 message, is out and a copy is located below in the "Important Documents" section.  "Safe-to-Fly" Boots are in production and available with limited supplies in several AAFES, Military Clothing Sales Stores.  Current approved model is Belleville 690.  A temperate (cold weather) "Safe-to-Fly" boot, Belleville Model 670, is in development with an early 2008 projected availability.  Additional models of the sage Green "Safe-to-Fly" boots are in development, expected availability in mid-2008.   

Q2. Why does it appear that there are shade differences with some sets of ABUs?
A2. Some ABUs issued or purchased through AAFES, do appear to have some shade variances, but they are all within the shade tolerance specifications set by the Air Force. This is a normal development process that happens when a new uniform with a new textile is used. We anticipate that this will work itself out as the vendors formalize the process and produce more uniforms. The different shades variances are authorized.

Q3:  When is the mandatory wear date for the ABU?

A3:  October 2011 (FY12).   

Q4:  Will we wear patches (e.g. Wing or Squadron) on the ABU?

A4:  No patches or unit emblems will be worn on the ABU.  Mandatory badges (Aeronautical, Chaplain), and mandatory duty shields for Force Protection and Fire Protection are required. No other duty badges will be authorized or worn.  Occupational badges are optional, but encouraged. 

Q5:  Will we still be able to wear baseball hats?

A5:  Organizational baseball hats are not authorized with the ABU.  The one current exception is that RED HORSE squadrons may continue to wear organizational caps.  Only the ABU hat (looks like the current BDU style with the ABU print) and currently authorized berets will still be allowed.

Q6:  Can I wear sister services badges on the ABU?

A6:  No.

Q7:  Can I wear my black combat boots?

A7:  Black boots will not be authorized at anytime with the ABU.  Tan boots authorized until 2011.

Q8:  Will other Air Force-issued items change to match the pattern and/or color of the ABU?

A8:  Yes, some items (hat, socks, & T-shirts) will be introduced concurrently w/ the ABU.  As mentioned above (Q.7), tan boots are authorized until 2011.   

Q9:  Why didn't we use Velcro® for the attachments to the ABU?

A9:  The Research and Development branch of the Air Force Clothing Office at Wright-Patterson AFB looked into using Velcro®, since it appears to be easier and less expensive for our Airmen.  However, research indicates otherwise and the majority of the Airmen in the test did not want Velcro® (see Q&A 43 for a more detailed explanation).

Q10:   Will the jacket commonly known as the Gortex® jacket be available?

A10:  Yes, AAFES will be selling the new Air Force All Purpose Environmental Clothing System (AF APECS) Parka.  There will be widespread availability in May 2008.

Q11:   Can I mix and match patterns with my ABUs (i.e. wear any of my over garments with the ABU until I get a new ABU jacket)?

A11:  Mix and match patterns with the ABU are authorized if certain criteria are met.  Reference the COLD-WEATHER OUTERGARMENTS WITH THE AIRMAN BATTLE UNIFORM (ABU) Message (Jan 08).

Q12:  Will the clothing allowance be increased since the cost of the uniform will go up?

A12:  Yes, the clothing allowance will reflect the increase effective October 2007 (FY 08).  If you choose to purchase the ABU before your anniversary date in FY08, you will absorb the cost differences until you receive your clothing allowance.  If you choose to buy a set early, you must have an entire set of ABUs and accessories.

Q13:  Will officers be given a clothing allowance to cover initial costs?

A13:  Officers only receive an initial allowance upon commissioning.

Q14:   How many uniforms will be issued at basic training?

A14:  The Basis of Issue for the ABU will be the same as the BDU.  Four (4) ABUs will be issued to new Airmen in Basic Military Training (BMT) Oct 07.  These replace the four sets of BDUs currently issued in the initial issue clothing bag.

Q15: I understand that the expected life expectancy of the typical ABU is only 12 months. That doesn't seem very durable for a uniform that is designed to be used in combat environments. Will the enlisted clothing allowance be updated annually to allow Airmen to purchase four sets every year?     

A15:  The life expectancy is based on the current BDU for the enlisted clothing allowance.  Our tests indicate that, with proper care and laundering, there will be a much longer life than one year and once there is sufficient data to support that, the life expectancy will be adjusted.   

Q16:   Does the ABU require dry cleaning and/or pressing? 

A16:  The ABU is literally a wash and wear item.  In fact, starching and hot pressing of ABUs is prohibited.  Also, one should not dry clean the ABU.  Dry cleaning, starching and hot pressing will deteriorate the fiber in the uniform and shorten the wear life.

Q17:  What are the washing and care requirements for the ABU?

A17:  In order to maximize service life and maintain optimum performance, the following instructions should be followed when caring for the ABU:  Wash in warm water with detergent containing no optical brighteners or bleach. Tumble dry at low heat.  The use of starch, sizing and any process that involves dry-cleaning or steam press will adversely affect the treatments and durability of the uniform and is not authorized.

Q18:   How could starch damage the uniform?

A18:  Starching of the ABU is prohibited.  Starching uniforms makes the uniform material more brittle and subsequently reduces the wear life. The permanent press and nIR (near Infrared) features of this uniform will be damaged by starching, commercial pressing and additives in the washing process. The permanent press feature will allow Airmen to look sharp and wear the ABU without incurring the costs of commercial dry cleaning or pressing.

Q19:   I hear the ABU is a better fit.  Can you explain?

A19:  Yes, it is a better fit for men and women.  The ABU has 236 (118 trousers and 118 blouses) sizes that will accommodate both men and women, unlike the 57 sizes of the current BDU.  The ABU sizes follow commercial clothing standards.  The most common sizes will be available on AAFES shelves and the total 236 sizes will be available by order through AAFES.  The green suede boots will come in women's sizes unlike the current black boot in the Air Force inventory, which does not.

Q20:   How much does an individual set of the ABU cost?  What about accessories like the jacket, t-shirts, socks, etc.   

A20:  The cost of one set of ABUs is $81.37 plus badges and rank.  The following is a complete breakout of costs for the ABU and accessories:      ABU Hat - $5.98; Men's Trouser - $41.96; Men's Coat - $39.41; Women's Trouser - $41.96; Women's Coat - $39.41; Sand T-shirt - $4.35; Green Boot Socks - $2.30; Sand Riggers Belt - $3.15; Desert Tan Boots - $97.50; AF Green Boots - $100.55; AF APECS Parka - $173.25

Q21:   What does it look like?

A21:  Take a look at it on the AF Uniform and Recognition Programs website on the Air Force Portal. 

Q22:   When can I buy an ABU?

A22:  The ABU will be issued to our airmen deploying to Iraq, Afghanistan and Kuwait AEF 9/10 and 1/2 and then to our Basic Military Trainees (BMTs) began in Oct 07.  Depending on availability, the ABU began to flow into some AAFES Military Clothing Sales Stores in late summer 2007.

Q23:   Who will pay for the ABU?

A23:  Initially the Air Force will fund:  1) Initial issue of ABUs to some deploying total force war fighters; 2) BMTs will be issued 4 sets of ABUs.  All others will purchase ABUs individually as replacements are needed (using clothing allowance if authorized).

Q24:   Will the reserve component wear the ABU?

A24:  Yes, the Total Air Force will wear the ABU - Active, Reserve and National Guard.

Q25:  If I am in the Guard or Reserves, how do I get my new ABU?

A25:  ABUs will be issued to the Guard and Reserve in the same manner in which they currently acquire their uniform.  However, if you fall into a category of not being issued clothing, then you can purchase them the same way you do now, e.g., go to nearest clothing store or on-line at www.aafes.com when sufficient supplies are available.

Q26. Why is the ABU available to a movie production company, before it's available to AF personnel?

A26:  Iron Man, based on the Marvel comic book character, is scheduled to release in 2008.  A lead character in the storyline portrays an AF officer.  The production company was allowed to purchase an extremely small quantity of the ABU fabric to make the few sets of ABUs needed in the movie for early 2006 filming.  The company is handling their own tailoring of the ABU for the few uniforms they need.  There is absolutely no impact to AF production or distribution.

Q27:   Why did you borrow the pattern from the Army and Marines?

A27:  We did not borrow the pattern.  The Air Force created it's own pattern with the inspiration from the Vietnam-era tiger stripe.  The AF did use colors based on the Army's new ACU with the addition of slate blue.

Q28:   Why a new uniform now?

A28:  We developed our own pattern that is compatible with the patterns of the other services.   The services have recognized the need to have a uniform better suited to the environment in which we operate, that is easy to care for and that fits better.  The ABU accomplishes that. 

Q29:  What happens if I need a new uniform and I can't find a BDU in my size and the ABU isn't available in my AAFES yet?

A29:  Speak with a Military Clothing Sales Stores (MCSS) sales associate and they can inquire about having your BDU size shipped from another MCSS store.

Q30:   What is the stop-wear date for the people in the "ABU test uniform"? 

A30:  Airmen currently wearing test uniforms can continue to wear them as long as the uniforms are serviceable.

Q31:   Was the new ABU field-tested as it was developed? 

A31:  The Air Force Uniform Board (AFUB) directed a combined initial fit and wear test in 2004 for the new utility uniform.  The uniforms used in the follow-on Operational Utility Evaluation (OUE) during 2005 were made from patterns that incorporated the best data available from the combined fit and wear test.  We received both positive and negative feedback and incorporated changes to the uniform based on that feedback.  As with any new item, ABU refinements will be made, based on continued feedback from the field.

Q32:  Why doesn't the Air Force just adopt the Army's ACU?  Isn't it wasteful for the Air Force to develop, produce, and distribute a new uniform in today's constrained fiscal environment?

A32:  The goal for the ABU was to develop a distinctive AF uniform that is better fitting and easier and less expensive to maintain.  These goals were developed in response to input from Airmen across the force.  The Air Force Clothing Office created a matrix of all the suggestions and complaints sent to the AFUB for several years.  The current BDU received the most complaints and suggestions.  Because the BDU is an Army owned uniform, the AF could not make changes to it.  When the Army decided it would discontinue the current BDU and DCU, they did not have any designs to share with the AF either.  This provided a unique opportunity for the Air Force to take input from Airmen and develop a uniform that can meet the specific needs of the Air Force while retaining the flexibility to adapt to changes as they occur over time. 

Q33:  The slanted cargo pockets on the blouse and trousers of the ACU are much more accessible than horizontal pockets.  Why didn't the Air Force incorporate slanted pockets into the design of the ABU? 

A33:   The senior leadership of AFSOC considered the use of slant pockets, but ultimately decided there was no advantage to them.  In fact, we specifically sought and received input on pockets, which resulted in the lower arm and leg pockets on the latest version of the ABU.   

Q34:  The Army designed a two-piece aviation variant of their ACU.  Why isn't the Air Force designing a replacement flight suit based on the ABU?

A34:  For several reasons, Air Force senior leadership decided that it would be premature, at this time, to move forward with development of a two-piece flight suit.  Many Air Force pilots must wear a one-piece flight suit due to ejection seat requirements.  As a result, it is imperative to continue with some variant of a one-piece flight suit.  The AF is studying the possibility of a two-piece suit for some flight specialties; however, there is currently insufficient data to warrant moving forward with development.  From a technical perspective, the Nomex fabric currently being used in the ABDUs is very difficult to print on, which would cause long delays in procurement.  The ABDU is also more expensive than the one-piece flight suit.

Q35:  The ABU is going to be issued to Airmen deploying in AEF 7 and 8.  Will members in follow-on AEFs also be issued the ABU? 

A35:  Members in follow-on AEFs will be issued ABUs and DCUs depending on location of deployment and residual stock of DCUs.  Airmen not deploying will replace their BDUs with ABUs using their clothing allowance.  The mandatory wear date is not until 2011 and the clothing allowance increase is effective Oct 07. 

Q36:  I'm in a Battlefield Airman Career field.  Am I going to be required to wear the ABU or can I still wear the ACU? 

A36:  Starting with AEF 7/8, Air Force personnel currently authorized to wear the Army's ACU will be issued ABUs when they deploy to the AOR and will no longer be authorized to wear the Army's uniform. 

Q37:  Will SOF forces be issued the ABU?

A37:  The SOF were among the first to test the ABU.  Absolutely, they will wear the ABU.  We are committed to continuous improvement with regard to the ABU.  We plan to continually upgrade the ABU as we learn more about its effectiveness - we'll do this in spirals.  We will incorporate new fabrics and new technology as appropriate.  SOF forces will continue with their current ROE when deployed but are authorized to purchase ABUs when available at their duty stations.

Q38:  Who is the contractor making the ABU?

A38:  The Defense Supply Center of Phil (DSCP) is procuring uniforms through their normal supply chain.  AAFES will then purchase their stock of the uniforms from DSCP.

Q39:  You mentioned that some general officers and command chief master sergeants began wearing the ABU this Spring.  Roughly how many folks are you talking about? A ballpark figure is OK. Is it safe to say they are general officers from bases around the U.S. and overseas?

A39:  We provided an opportunity to all GOs, MAJCOM CCMs and Combatant Command CCMs to order two sets of ABUs, approx 500 in total.  They are at locations worldwide.

Q40:  If airmen are scheduled to deploy with AEF rotations 9/10 and 1/2, will they get ABUs or DCUs and on what date will they be able to obtain their new uniforms? Where will they be able to get them?

A40:  This is a multi-part answer.

Airmen deploying to Iraq, Afghanistan and Kuwait, will get ABUs.  All others will get DCUs.  These will be issued prior to departure to CST.
All gear will be issued from your home station.  Your Unit Deployment Manager has specific information
When the members return stateside can they wear their DCUs?  No, current AFI 36-2903 policy remains in effect.  No wear of DCUs outside of the AOR.   
When the members return stateside can they wear their ABUs?  Yes, if they are still serviceable -- however they must comply with AFI 36-2903 wear policy e.g. no mix and matching.
ABUs are currently available in some AAFES Military Clothing Sales Stores and will continue to be more widely available as supply increases.  We anticipate widespread availability by late 2007 or early 2008.   



Q41: The fabric on the new ABU feels like it's a heavier weight than the winter version of the old BDU. If so, why is that the case considering the ABU will be used in a wide range of environmental conditions? 

A41:  The fabric is the same weight as the temperate BDU, and the same weight as the MARPAT trousers; however, when it was tested for air permeability against a starched summer weight BDU the ABU fabric performed better.  Initially, the permanent press treatment can make the fabric feel a bit heavier, too.     

Q42: The length of the trousers on the new ABU appears to be about 12 inches too long. Was this a manufacturing error or is there another reason? 

A42:  The trouser length was set after extensive fit and wear testing to allow blousing for someone whose legs were long, but their lower torso length was short.  In the past, this person would have to buy a "long" trouser to get the needed length in the leg, but the trouser crotch would hang uncomfortably low on them. 

Q43: Can you elaborate on why buttons are better operationally than Velcro®on the ABU?

A43:  Our users surveyed and our test participants strongly prefer buttons to Hook and Loop Fasteners (commonly referred to by the trade name Velcro®) for the following reason:  1) Hook and Loop fasteners have a wear life and become unserviceable after a number of uses.  2) Sand and/or dirt sticks between the hooks and loops and makes it inoperable, so the fastener requires routine maintenance to keep it in good working order.  3) It is easier to replace a button than to sew on a new fastener 4) It often becomes attached to other articles of clothing, especially loosely-woven items.  When one attempts to remove the fastener, even if they are separated slowly it can do harm to the other articles. 5) The tearing noise made by unfastening a hook and loop fastener can be loud at a time where stealth is wanted.

Q44: It's not difficult to see that the horizontal pockets on the chest do not allow as easy access as slanted pockets. Why did the Air Force decide to go with horizontal pockets instead of slanted pockets? 

Q44:  A great deal of input was received from wear testers--consisting of many field testers--regarding pocket configurations, to include the possibility of slanting the pockets.  Once senior leadership had reviewed--and thoroughly considered--all feedback and suggestions, a final decision was made: to leave the front outer pockets unslanted. 

Q45: The hidden pockets inside the ABU blouse don't seem very functional. You can't access them if you're wearing IBA and they make the uniform less breathable. 

A45:  The interior pockets were requested by user representatives in the original design IPT and were popular with many of the wear test participants.  Mission requirements as well as personal preferences vary tremendously.  While not officially recommended or suggested, some personnel may choose to cut the interior pockets out of the garment, as long as it doesn't change the outer appearance of the uniform.   

Q46: Why didn't the Air Force just forgo the sleeve rank and provide upper sleeve pockets that would be more useful than hidden pockets and chest pockets when wearing IBA?

A46:  Collaborative discussion among senior leadership from all commands resulted in the decision to continue with the rank on the sleeve, rather than reconfigure to add more pockets.

Q47:  Will the new green boots be offered in safety toe option and if so, when?  What will we do if the ABUs are out but there isn't a matching safety boot available?

A47:  Yes, we plan to bring out the green boots in a safety toe option.  The green safety toe boots will most likely be available around mid-2008.  When airmen may begin to buy ABUs (through AAFES), unit resource advisors will have the option of procuring desert tan safety toe boots.

Q48:  Is the commanders insignia authorized with the ABU?

A48:  No, currently the commanders insignia is NOT authorized.

Q49:  The latest wear message (Sep 07) says that the only authorized hat with the ABU is the ABU patrol cap (except in the AOR where boonies/floppy hats are authorized).  Are there any exceptions?

A49:  Yes -- The majority of "Distinctive Uniform" authorizations currently in AFI 36-2903, table 3.1 - 3.7 will transfer to the ABU (such as berets).  Check with your unit if you are not sure.  Any changes to these policies will be posted on the website and communicated through the impacted organizations.  Exceptions to policy must be coordinated through MAJCOM/A1s to AF/A1 for consideration.

Q50: Can my unit or I purchase uniforms from venders other than AAFES, Military Clothing Sales Office?   

A50:  Units MAY NOT use appropriated funds of any kind (credit card, micro-purchase, form 9s, etc) to purchase uniforms from non-certified commercial sources.  Right now, there are no certified vendors.  This is driven primarily by the contracting regulations (Berry Amendment), which requires all clothing and textiles purchased with government funds be manufactured entirely in the US.   Individuals can spend their personal funds anywhere they want, the same restriction does NOT apply to individual purchases of uniforms; however, if personal funds are used, the individual is at risk that item will not meet uniform requirements.  Uniforms purchased through outside sources can NOT be returned to AAFES for any reason.
Q51:  With the ABU being a "clean" uniform (i.e. no patches, no organizational hats--except as outlined in Q&A #5), will this policy impact patch and organization hat ROE for BDUs? 

A51:  Unit Commanders will make the call on unit patches and organizational hats on the BDU; mandatory ABU wear is set for 2011.

Q52:  How come my clothing allowance was the same at FY2006?  I thought it was supposed to increase in October 2007.

A52:  Congress has not passed the defense budget yet.  The Defense Budget is on a Continuing Resolution (CR).  You will be reimbursed (retroactively) the increased amount as soon as the budget passes.   

Q53:  Can I wear the Cold Weather Parka (the solid green one with the white fur collar) with the ABU?

A53:  Yes, it is authorized for wear with the ABU, in colder climates where it is issued.

Q54:  What color socks can I wear with the ABU?

Q54:  Wear GREEN socks with the GREEN ABU boots.  You can wear GREEN or BLACK socks with the TAN boots.

Q55:  Can I sew my pockets down on the ABU?

A55:  Alterations are allowed to improve fit, but must not change the intended appearance of the uniform(AFI 36-2903, Table 1.2. Note 1).  Although this modification would not change the appearance (pockets are still there), keep in mind the pockets might be necessary while deployed or during particular duties.

[Stonewall]

Got my first set of ABUs this weekend at drill.  Cut out the inner-breast pockets and extra material.  Those things run big.  I got 36R and the "R" for regular must mean for people over 7' tall.  I was told they ran big, or long, so I got regs instead of long.  Things almost go past my toes and I'm about 6' 2".

[Tim Medeiros]

Interesting info, especially since if I don't get back into a school I want to go to I've decided that I will enlist.

Q&A #48 puts to rest the thought of authorizing a command badge for our commanders in utility uniforms.

[Stonewall]

To touch on MikeyLikey's post:



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BTW, the new ABU hat makes for an excellent "Ranger Roll"    No, seriously!

[mikeylikey]

^ They should ditch the foliage green anything and keep black accessories.  Since they are in such availability, why create more costs.  BUT it is the Govt.

[Hawk200]

^ They should ditch the foliage green anything and keep black accessories.  Since they are in such availability, why create more costs.  BUT it is the Govt.

One major problem with that: It makes sense. Someone would get fired over it.

[ddelaney103]

^ They should ditch the foliage green anything and keep black accessories.  Since they are in such availability, why create more costs.  BUT it is the Govt.

The problem is black looks very funny with these suits, which are much lighter than woodland BDU's.

The Army has the same problem with their berets and the ACU's - I call it "Ranger's Revenge."

[Hawk200]

The Army has the same problem with their berets and the ACU's - I call it "Ranger's Revenge."

Wich they would ditch the beanie. It's annoying, and I've still run into only a handful that know how to wear it right.