Active/Inactive Status--the true meaning

[SC-CAP-Mom]

We have several cadets and senior members that pay dues but never darken our doorway. 

I would personally believe them to be inactive members. Yet in eservices it marks them active. Assumably because they pay money.

What is the CAP definition of an active member?

[Eclipse]

What is the CAP definition of an active member?

A check that doesn't bounce.

[capmaj]

Active usually means current/paid to NHQ. Generally, sub-units will put an "inactive" member into triple 0.

[FW]

An "Active" member is anyone who pays their dues, and has not selected "Patron", "CSM", "AEM", "Retired", or "Legislative" on their application or renewal.  It is strictly an administrative category.   Senior members can remain on "Active" status, as long as they wish.  Cadets, however my remain "Active" as long as they participate, as defined by their Sq. Commander.  Cadets no longer interested in participating in the program should be removed via the "2B" process. 

[Fubar]

Active usually means current/paid to NHQ. Generally, sub-units will put an "inactive" member into triple 0.

Then the squadron loses any squadron dues they were collecting from the check-writing member.

[Eclipse]

Active usually means current/paid to NHQ. Generally, sub-units will put an "inactive" member into triple 0.

Then the squadron loses any squadron dues they were collecting from the check-writing member.

What dues are those?  I would hazard most units don't charge dues, and you certainly can't collect
money from people who never show up, don't respond to or do not provide contact information.

[NIN]

Active usually means current/paid to NHQ. Generally, sub-units will put an "inactive" member into triple 0.

Units have been advised in various ways by their chains of command to limit this practice.

Now that having a "not-active" member on your rolls doesn't count against you for safety currency purposes, there is no reason the play that shell game.

[Eclipse]

Now that having a "not-active" member on your rolls doesn't count against you for safety currency purposes, there is no reason the play that shell game.

That's incorrect, NHQ still tracks everyone's currency and includes it in the CC's dashboard, ditto for Yeager, PD levels, and other areas.

[Майор Хаткевич]

Active usually means current/paid to NHQ. Generally, sub-units will put an "inactive" member into triple 0.

there is no reason the play that shell game.

Isn't the shell game having inactive/disengaged members listed as active?

[Eclipse]

Isn't the shell game having inactive/disengaged members listed as active?

One would think so, unless you're talking about Enron Composite.

[NIN]

Isn't the shell game having inactive/disengaged members listed as active?

Is someone crawling up your backside because some guy who was active last year hasn't done his safety briefing for this month?

If the answer is "no," then you're good. Its not like that guy is draining off valuable resources.

We've had these kinds of members on our books in the 35+ years I've been a member.

Sure, it would be better to actively engage these people, but some people are long time members and wish to remain members even if their personal situation doesn't allow them to be active at the moment.  Folks who have been on the books for centuries and you never see them, well, they're still financial supporters of the organization, right?

Shuffling people off into a "holding squadron" just to make your books look pretty isn't helping things either, and isn't likely to promote the re-engagement of that member.

[Eclipse]

The first answer is "yes" - higher HQ sets goals for the year, attainable, reasonable goals, that can't be met because
of empty shirts.  Again, the asterisk becomes a pinch-point for the CC to zero gain for him.

And the odds of "re-engaging" someone who hasn't been to a meeting in a decade and "no one has ever met"aren't likely,
especially if their CAPID starts with a 1.

000 relieves the squadron from having to track these people while still allowing the wing to get their dues through renewal.
Now that records are moving to all-electronic, the burden is somewhat lower, but they still need to be tracked.

[Майор Хаткевич]

Isn't the shell game having inactive/disengaged members listed as active?

Is someone crawling up your backside because some guy who was active last year hasn't done his safety briefing for this month?

If the answer is "no," then you're good. Its not like that guy is draining off valuable resources.

We've had these kinds of members on our books in the 35+ years I've been a member.

Sure, it would be better to actively engage these people, but some people are long time members and wish to remain members even if their personal situation doesn't allow them to be active at the moment.  Folks who have been on the books for centuries and you never see them, well, they're still financial supporters of the organization, right?

Shuffling people off into a "holding squadron" just to make your books look pretty isn't helping things either, and isn't likely to promote the re-engagement of that member.

I'm expected to push my members to complete their Lvl1, Yeager, PD, get involved in ES at least at a basic level of a 101 card, and set expectations that everyone pulls their weight at the unit. That's at the tip of my fingers as I type, and I'm sure I could come up with more. Having 100 members is no good, if only 20 are active or do anything.

[Fubar]

What dues are those?  I would hazard most units don't charge dues, and you certainly can't collect
money from people who never show up, don't respond to or do not provide contact information.

Every unit I've been attached to had dues to help keep the lights on, AC/heat going, and other related expenses to running a squadron. Each of those units had people who sent in their yearly squadron dues even though we never saw them.

[etodd]

Every unit I've been attached to had dues to help keep the lights on, AC/heat going, and other related expenses to running a squadron. Each of those units had people who sent in their yearly squadron dues even though we never saw them.

Another reason they keep sending checks ..... to show their CAP membership as current and longstanding on their resumes, LinkedIn, etc.

[SARDOC]

Back when I was a squadron commander, if I had members that were out of touch...didn't respond to messages, calls, didn't meet the monthly safety requirement (when that was still a thing).  I changed their status to patron. 

As a Patron member, they didn't count against my safety numbers and they couldn't just show up at the occasional SAREX...or fly in the CAP planes with friends for currency...etc.