Looks like Hawaii Wing is falling apart --- well, at least thats what this newspaper article makes it seem like.
Not the sort of publicity you're looking for....
http://thegardenisland.com/news/local/a-civil-war/article_2896ca78-a072-11e4-bff7-bffb7a1a758e.html (http://thegardenisland.com/news/local/a-civil-war/article_2896ca78-a072-11e4-bff7-bffb7a1a758e.html)
"Kauai members said the trouble began when the state wing started relieving commanders who objected to changes."
Somebody got their shorts in a bunch and decided to air their "concerns" to a local paper.
My money is on one of the people mentioned as "inactive".
I'll also put a nickel on the counter that we'll hear from one of them here, shortly...
Oy. What a dreadful article to deal with. I never thought I'd say this, but I'm glad I'm not in Hawaii.
HI failed their CI a couple years ago. They needed change and, the way I understand it, Col Wong was brought in to clean house. Don't have any particular insight but seems like he's doing the job. Change is hard, especially for those that have been in the org for decades and are used to "the way we've always done it." It's not a popular thing to say but this org isn't for everyone.
I remember seeing that and thinking that seemed odd - you really have to work pretty
hard to fail a CI, even under the old program.
Kauai has just the one Squadron and with their isolation I am sure they do whatever they want. i.e., They are not likely crossing the "t" and doting the "i". 8)
"Another issue is the state wing intends to move planes around between the squadrons depending on flight hours, maintenance schedules and pilot training. This upset the commanders most, say volunteers."
Don't most wings do this?
First: I tend to read just about all press reports with a serious grain of salt. Reporters tend to get things wrong a lot. Take for instance the rank of the Wing Commander in the story (and I actually checked, it's not an "acting" thing where he could be a Lt Col)
But this reads like a GOBN got upended when a non-member of the GOBN got Command of the Wing and is making some changes that the GOBN is none too pleased about.
Well, to some extent you're probably right. But, those membership losses in a single squadron are pretty severe and probably go beyond just the GOBN. Heck, if you figure that 20% of members aren't active anyway, those might be about the only ones left.
Not nearly enough info to make a real assessment. That was a "off the top of my head" impression.
^ Agree. Way too many unknowns but I suspect your initial assessment was correct - GOBN is not happy. It's good to upset the apple cart from time to time.
To me it's very odd that someone would run (read: whine) to the media with this. Almost as odd is the fact the media thought this was a story worth publishing, especially with all the gaps in the reporting. Things must be really slow on Kauai.
A single squadron on a small island with an airplane. What could possibly go wrong there?
This sounds like much ado about nothing. How many times have we seen this elsewhere, when a squadron that is not much more than a flying club unit get its airplane taken away for some reason, and half the members just quit in a huff because of "their airplane"? I have seen it more than once.
Chances are that the wing commander has very specific marching orders and things to fix. Sometimes, you have to force people to adhere to the regulations for the first time in years. And when they don't he's applying the consequences.
When a wing averages only 83 hrs a year on their air frames and they have 10 of them, they probably do need to rotate the aircraft around.
Quote from: Larry Mangum on January 22, 2015, 02:19:15 PM
When a wing averages only 83 hrs a year on their air frames and they have 10 of them, they probably do need to rotate the aircraft around.
They have 10 squadrons. I'd say maybe they have too many aircraft.
Hawaii is a very different place. People don't like things to change, especially if they view the change as detrimental to them. Both Maui and Kauai planes were recently moved, only Oahu (6 squadrons) and Hawaii (2 squadrons) have airplanes now.
I don't know, but I'd take a guess that 7 or 8 of the wing's airplanes are on Oahu, an area half the size of Rhode Island. Seems like a very dense concentration.
HI WG aircraft are tightly integrated into their civil defense system... they're equipped with airborne loudspeakers to warn people about approaching tsunamis.
Quote from: AlphaSigOU on January 22, 2015, 04:56:16 PM
HI WG aircraft are tightly integrated into their civil defense system... they're equipped with airborne loudspeakers to warn people about approaching tsunamis.
Yes. I wonder if part of the reason people are upset is because the redistribution of airplanes adds more response time for tsunami warnings. It's not just flying 90nm from Oahu to Kauai, traffic on Oahu can be outrageous.
Does this fall into the category "money is tight, we're flying less"?
Traffic on the main freeways (H-1, H-2, H-3) is flat-out murder, especially at rush hour. IIRC some of the aircraft are based at HNL and at Kalaeloa in O'ahu. On receipt of a tsunami advisory crews are dispatched to the field and fly their missions on receipt of a tsunami warning. That's if there's enough time.
I'm the HNL squadron commander and wing assistant director of operations. We did indeed fail a CI, however we closed the open items and were fully successful on a re-CI in March 2014. I was wing director of safety through that process, as well as a few months as wing chief of staff. So the CI is pretty old news.
There are 4 aircraft nominally based on Oahu, with 5 squadrons on the island, 3 composite, 1 cadet, and 1 senior. 3 of the aircraft belong to me, though one of them has been farmed out to Hilo on the Big Island for nearly a year and a half, as theirs has been in a prolonged engine change. Maui has had no aircraft as theirs is in extended maintenance, and Kona is the same.
No aircraft have been moved at this point, other than the one I mentioned above, on loan. They certainly will be if necessary. It's hard to get to the magic 200 hours/aircraft with 40% of the fleet NMC for months at a time.
The personnel issues I won't comment on. We remain fully mission capable, if a little strained by NMC aircraft. The tsunami warning routes can be covered by other aircraft. We will typically have 6-10 hours of warning time of a tsunami. That's plenty of time to launch and fly tsunami route A, recover, refuel and launch to fly tsunami route B. Some routes, the two on Oahu for example, can easily be flown by one aircraft, which could continue unrefueled to fly still a third. That's a decision I'd make with my IC hat on based on crewed and ready assets at the time.
We may have our problems, but they are no more than most wings.
Quote from: bflynn on January 22, 2015, 03:59:49 PM
They have 10 squadrons. I'd say maybe they have too many aircraft.
Hawaii is a very different place. People don't like things to change, especially if they view the change as detrimental to them. Both Maui and Kauai planes were recently moved, only Oahu (6 squadrons) and Hawaii (2 squadrons) have airplanes now.
I don't know, but I'd take a guess that 7 or 8 of the wing's airplanes are on Oahu, an area half the size of Rhode Island. Seems like a very dense concentration.
Negative. We have 7 composite, 1 senior, and 1 cadet squadron, total 9. Aircraft are still assigned to Kauai (3), Oahu (4 plus a glider), Maui (1), and Hawaii (2). Several of those are in extended maintenance. For a snapshot tonight, the FMC aircraft are Kauai (2), Oahu (2 plus the glider), Maui (0), Hawaii (1). Maui's aircraft was supposed to be ferried home today, however an additional discrepancy emerged on a test flight and it's still at the shop on Oahu.
Quote from: AirDX on January 23, 2015, 09:03:33 AM
I'm the HNL squadron commander and wing assistant director of operations. We did indeed fail a CI, however we closed the open items and were fully successful on a re-CI in March 2014. I was wing director of safety through that process, as well as a few months as wing chief of staff. So the CI is pretty old news.
There are 4 aircraft nominally based on Oahu, with 5 squadrons on the island, 3 composite, 1 cadet, and 1 senior. 3 of the aircraft belong to me, though one of them has been farmed out to Hilo on the Big Island for nearly a year and a half, as theirs has been in a prolonged engine change. Maui has had no aircraft as theirs is in extended maintenance, and Kona is the same.
No aircraft have been moved at this point, other than the one I mentioned above, on loan. They certainly will be if necessary. It's hard to get to the magic 200 hours/aircraft with 40% of the fleet NMC for months at a time.
The personnel issues I won't comment on. We remain fully mission capable, if a little strained by NMC aircraft. The tsunami warning routes can be covered by other aircraft. We will typically have 6-10 hours of warning time of a tsunami. That's plenty of time to launch and fly tsunami route A, recover, refuel and launch to fly tsunami route B. Some routes, the two on Oahu for example, can easily be flown by one aircraft, which could continue unrefueled to fly still a third. That's a decision I'd make with my IC hat on based on crewed and ready assets at the time.
We may have our problems, but they are no more than most wings.
Thank you for the SITREP sir.
10 aircraft is a lot of hardware for a wing / state that small.
There are wings with 5x's the area, 10x the population, and triple the members that have less aircraft assigned.
Granted, HIWG is unique in that it seems like you can't go to the bathroom without an aircraft of some type,
but it's certainly a legit musing to wonder if they would have lost aircraft already if it weren't such a hassle to get them back.
I'd be more than a little concerned if a unit with 120 members had 2/3 of the membership drop of the rolls or go inactive/patron and lose that many pilots at one time.
Quote from: Johnny Yuma on January 26, 2015, 02:30:44 AM
I'd be more than a little concerned if a unit with 120 members had 2/3 of the membership drop of the rolls or go inactive/patron and lose that many pilots at one time.
I would too.....unless it was expected.
Quote from: Johnny Yuma on January 26, 2015, 02:30:44 AM
I'd be more than a little concerned if a unit with 120 members had 2/3 of the membership drop of the rolls or go inactive/patron and lose that many pilots at one time.
I'm wondering if this is one of those "You need to take a step backwards before you can move forward" type of situations. Hopefully it works out for HI Wing. They provide a valuable service to their residents.
The membership numbers of the squadron on Kauai:
Jan 2013: 97
Jan 2014: 111
Jan 2015: 79
A part of the decline is the transfer of inactive members to 000. 000 membership during the same timeframe:
Jan 2013: 10
Jan 2014: 28
Jan 2015: 75
Obviously not all came from Kauai, but there was a big push from the wing to transfer inactive people to 000 last summer.
These numbers are freely available on eServices, I'm not giving away any secrets!
As far as the pilot population, all I know is that, like everywhere, we need more pilots, but as an assistant DO, when I task Kauai, they always respond. Mission performance is my bottom line, and we got it.
Quote from: AirDX on January 26, 2015, 06:02:18 PM
The membership numbers of the squadron on Kauai:
Jan 2013: 97
Jan 2014: 111
Jan 2015: 79
A part of the decline is the transfer of inactive members to 000. 000 membership during the same timeframe:
Jan 2013: 10
Jan 2014: 28
Jan 2015: 75
Obviously not all came from Kauai, but there was a big push from the wing to transfer inactive people to 000 last summer.
These numbers are freely available on eServices, I'm not giving away any secrets!
As far as the pilot population, all I know is that, like everywhere, we need more pilots, but as an assistant DO, when I task Kauai, they always respond. Mission performance is my bottom line, and we got it.
Again,
Not surprising. Someone is PO'd, and saw 40 people at a meeting last time, and thinks he saw 120 in eservices last year when he logged in, and runs to the newsman. Newsman doesn't do his research, and publishes story.
Quote from: AirDX on January 26, 2015, 06:02:18 PM
A part of the decline is the transfer of inactive members to 000.
Pretty much hammers the point I and others have been making.
These people are not "members" they are financial backers at best.
From 50k feet, it looks like HIWG had some CCs and staff who were curating empty uniform
numbers and don't like the truth of their real membership now that it's been normalized.
This is a Band-Aid CAP needs to rip off nationally, grin, bear it, and move on...
Quote from: Eclipse on January 26, 2015, 06:32:02 PM
Quote from: AirDX on January 26, 2015, 06:02:18 PM
A part of the decline is the transfer of inactive members to 000.
Pretty much hammers the point I and others have been making.
These people are not "members" they are financial backers at best.
From 50k feet, it looks like HIWG had some CCs and staff who were curating empty uniform
numbers and don't like the truth of their real membership now that it's been normalized.
This is a Band-Aid CAP needs to rip off nationally, grin, bear it, and move on...
Or, just say "Thanks for the financial contribution" and move on. Stirring the hornets nest has no benefit.
I think it's obvious from the article that this has been blown out of proportion. People don't like change, especially disruptive change, but sometimes it's just necessary.
Quote from: Eclipse on January 26, 2015, 06:32:02 PM
Quote from: AirDX on January 26, 2015, 06:02:18 PM
A part of the decline is the transfer of inactive members to 000.
Pretty much hammers the point I and others have been making.
These people are not "members" they are financial backers at best.
From 50k feet, it looks like HIWG had some CCs and staff who were curating empty uniform
numbers and don't like the truth of their real membership now that it's been normalized.
This is a Band-Aid CAP needs to rip off nationally, grin, bear it, and move on...
Now you just need to come up with some offical definition of "empty shirt" and we can push that work load onto the squadrons.
Quote from: lordmonar on January 26, 2015, 06:58:13 PM
Now you just need to come up with some offical definition of "empty shirt" and we can push that work load onto the squadrons.
Not my job - that's NHQ's role.
"Workload"? If you can't click a few boxes, higher HQ can do it.
Quote from: Eclipse on January 26, 2015, 07:01:07 PM
Quote from: lordmonar on January 26, 2015, 06:58:13 PM
Now you just need to come up with some official definition of "empty shirt" and we can push that work load onto the squadrons.
Not my job - that's NHQ's role.
"Workload"? If you can't click a few boxes, higher HQ can do it.
[/quote]??? obviously NHQ does not really care about the "empty shirts"......so if you are going to push this up from the grass roots....what definition do you use to transfer or 2b "empty shirts"?
Somewhere between "safety current" and "no one has ever seen that guy"...
Quote from: Eclipse on January 26, 2015, 01:14:41 AM
Granted, HIWG is unique in that it seems like you can't go to the bathroom without an aircraft of some type,
but it's certainly a legit musing to wonder if they would have lost aircraft already if it weren't such a hassle to get them back.
A rather naïve question, but does any know how much it costs NHQ to get a Cessna to HI?
... which is why there are more than "typical", because of the isolation, and the need for redundancy so that the mission can be carried out when aircraft might be borrowed/tasked from adjacent wings on the continent, they can't just call for another one that simply when it's a whole procedure just to get them there.
Quote from: LSThiker on January 26, 2015, 10:05:17 PM
Quote from: Eclipse on January 26, 2015, 01:14:41 AM
Granted, HIWG is unique in that it seems like you can't go to the bathroom without an aircraft of some type,
but it's certainly a legit musing to wonder if they would have lost aircraft already if it weren't such a hassle to get them back.
A rather naïve question, but does any know how much it costs NHQ to get a Cessna to HI?
It will depend on the method
You can disassemble it and ship it in a shipping container. In that case, the actual shipping and container is a small part of the cost, the disassembly and reassembly of the airplane is the expense...something in the 10-15k range if there's no damage in the shipping? The chances of damage are not zero.
To fly the intact airplane, most of the internals will be stripped, shipped externally and large fuel tanks put on board. Figure 15-20k for the ferry flight.
I'm estimating both, but the numbers are in correct rough order of magnitude.
Quote from: a2capt on January 26, 2015, 11:34:26 PM
... which is why there are more than "typical", because of the isolation, and the need for redundancy so that the mission can be carried out when aircraft might be borrowed/tasked from adjacent wings on the continent, they can't just call for another one that simply when it's a whole procedure just to get them there.
Yes, but that's probably why they have 10 aircraft for the wing in an area slightly larger than Connecticut.
I still don't understand having 7 or 8 of those airplanes based on Oahu. Seems like it would pretty much end ES on Maui and Kauai or at least encourage people to find other things to do with their free time.
Quote from: AirDX on January 26, 2015, 06:02:18 PM
The membership numbers of the squadron on Kauai:
Jan 2013: 97
Jan 2014: 111
Jan 2015: 79
A part of the decline is the transfer of inactive members to 000. 000 membership during the same timeframe:
Jan 2013: 10
Jan 2014: 28
Jan 2015: 75
Obviously not all came from Kauai, but there was a big push from the wing to transfer inactive people to 000 last summer.
These numbers are freely available on eServices, I'm not giving away any secrets!
As far as the pilot population, all I know is that, like everywhere, we need more pilots, but as an assistant DO, when I task Kauai, they always respond. Mission performance is my bottom line, and we got it.
Interesting - I don't have access to that data.
Do you have the break down of seniors vs cadets? I know there's been consolidation of squadrons going on in HI wing. If they started with 97 SMs, added 57 cadets and had 79 SMs quit/retire/move to inactive, that's not good.
Everyone has that in E-Services.
Click on the Statistics box Arrow X, choose unit.
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a302/USAFAUX2004/HI073.jpg)
Feb 2000: 47/0 (SM/Cadet)
Feb 2001: 48/7
Feb 2002: 40/3
Feb 2003: 39/2
Feb 2004: 39/3
Feb 2005: 50/9
Feb 2006: 53/15
Feb 2007: 44/19
Feb 2008: 43/12
Feb 2009: 46/11
Feb 2010: 42/28
Feb 2011: 49/2
Feb 2012: 62/27
Feb 2013: 68/36
Feb 2014: 67/44
Jan 2015: 67/12
Quote from: bflynn on January 27, 2015, 08:38:40 PM
Quote from: LSThiker on January 26, 2015, 10:05:17 PM
Quote from: Eclipse on January 26, 2015, 01:14:41 AM
Granted, HIWG is unique in that it seems like you can't go to the bathroom without an aircraft of some type,
but it's certainly a legit musing to wonder if they would have lost aircraft already if it weren't such a hassle to get them back.
A rather naïve question, but does any know how much it costs NHQ to get a Cessna to HI?
It will depend on the method
You can disassemble it and ship it in a shipping container. In that case, the actual shipping and container is a small part of the cost, the disassembly and reassembly of the airplane is the expense...something in the 10-15k range if there's no damage in the shipping? The chances of damage are not zero.
To fly the intact airplane, most of the internals will be stripped, shipped externally and large fuel tanks put on board. Figure 15-20k for the ferry flight.
I'm estimating both, but the numbers are in correct rough order of magnitude.
I think if you took off the empennage and the spinner you might be able to squeeze it into a Beluga sideways.
If they did fit that way, you could move 3 at a time!
Quote from: Capt Hatkevich on January 27, 2015, 09:04:12 PM
Everyone has that in E-Services.
Click on the Statistics box Arrow X, choose unit.
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a302/USAFAUX2004/HI073.jpg)
When did CAPTalk become official CAP use?
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Quote from: Eclipse on January 27, 2015, 10:21:55 PM
Quote from: bflynn on January 27, 2015, 08:38:40 PM
Quote from: LSThiker on January 26, 2015, 10:05:17 PM
Quote from: Eclipse on January 26, 2015, 01:14:41 AM
Granted, HIWG is unique in that it seems like you can't go to the bathroom without an aircraft of some type,
but it's certainly a legit musing to wonder if they would have lost aircraft already if it weren't such a hassle to get them back.
A rather naïve question, but does any know how much it costs NHQ to get a Cessna to HI?
It will depend on the method
You can disassemble it and ship it in a shipping container. In that case, the actual shipping and container is a small part of the cost, the disassembly and reassembly of the airplane is the expense...something in the 10-15k range if there's no damage in the shipping? The chances of damage are not zero.
To fly the intact airplane, most of the internals will be stripped, shipped externally and large fuel tanks put on board. Figure 15-20k for the ferry flight.
I'm estimating both, but the numbers are in correct rough order of magnitude.
I think if you took off the empennage and the spinner you might be able to squeeze it into a Beluga sideways.
If they did fit that way, you could move 3 at a time!
You could fit about a dozen on a Boeing 747-400LCF "Dream Lifter". Too bad they fly to Japan via Anchorage. Because they're empty on the westbound leg.
Quote from: Capt Hatkevich on January 27, 2015, 09:04:12 PM
Everyone has that in E-Services.
Click on the Statistics box Arrow X, choose unit.
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a302/USAFAUX2004/HI073.jpg)
Feb 2000: 47/0 (SM/Cadet)
Feb 2001: 48/7
Feb 2002: 40/3
Feb 2003: 39/2
Feb 2004: 39/3
Feb 2005: 50/9
Feb 2006: 53/15
Feb 2007: 44/19
Feb 2008: 43/12
Feb 2009: 46/11
Feb 2010: 42/28
Feb 2011: 49/2
Feb 2012: 62/27
Feb 2013: 68/36
Feb 2014: 67/44
Jan 2015: 67/12
If I read that correctly the problem is on the Cadet side. Typical poor management of the Cadets. The SM population looks steady for the last few years. 8)
Quote from: bflynn on January 27, 2015, 08:59:27 PM
I still don't understand having 7 or 8 of those airplanes based on Oahu. Seems like it would pretty much end ES on Maui and Kauai or at least encourage people to find other things to do with their free time.
You don't understand it because it's not the case. I addressed this earlier. There are 4 aircraft nominally based on Oahu. 1 of those 4 has been farmed out to the Big Island for over a year replacing an aircraft that's been in extended maintenance. Of the 3 remaining on Oahu, 1 has been in maintenance for 2-3 months itself.
Quote from: AirDX on January 28, 2015, 05:12:14 PM
Quote from: bflynn on January 27, 2015, 08:59:27 PM
I still don't understand having 7 or 8 of those airplanes based on Oahu. Seems like it would pretty much end ES on Maui and Kauai or at least encourage people to find other things to do with their free time.
You don't understand it because it's not the case. I addressed this earlier. There are 4 aircraft nominally based on Oahu. 1 of those 4 has been farmed out to the Big Island for over a year replacing an aircraft that's been in extended maintenance. Of the 3 remaining on Oahu, 1 has been in maintenance for 2-3 months itself.
I must have misread something. What I understood.
They have 10 aircraft. I've read 2-3 are on the Big Island. 2 were removed from Kauai and Maui and moved to Oahu, leaving both Kauai and Maui with no aircraft.
There are only squadrons on 4 islands. Therefore, any remaining aircraft must be on Oahu.
In any case, to my knowledge there are only aircraft on Oahu and Hawaii. No other islands have a plane.
If I have some wrong information, that would help explain my confusion.
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When did CAPTalk become official CAP use?
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Quote from: Capt Hatkevich on January 28, 2015, 10:08:33 PM
Quote from: LSThiker on January 27, 2015, 10:30:12 PM
When did CAPTalk become official CAP use?
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Also, under the legal section of eServices:
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Heh.
Quote from: LSThiker on January 28, 2015, 11:14:53 PM
Quote from: Capt Hatkevich on January 28, 2015, 10:08:33 PM
Quote from: LSThiker on January 27, 2015, 10:30:12 PM
When did CAPTalk become official CAP use?
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Also, under the legal section of eServices:
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I have access to all cadet reports and most (all?) Unit reports. Very few have that disclaimer on them. If this was meant to be a blanket statement for everything on eservices, then we should discontinue the meeting log reports as non members get to see it.
I'm not sure where you read all that, but it's wrong. Quoting my own post from this thread:
Quote from: AirDX on January 23, 2015, 09:03:33 AM
I'm the HNL squadron commander and wing assistant director of operations...
There are 4 aircraft nominally based on Oahu, with 5 squadrons on the island, 3 composite, 1 cadet, and 1 senior. 3 of the aircraft belong to me, though one of them has been farmed out to Hilo on the Big Island for nearly a year and a half, as theirs has been in a prolonged engine change. Maui has had no aircraft as theirs is in extended maintenance, and Kona is the same. Note added: Maui's aircraft was ferried home today, 1/28
No aircraft have been moved at this point, other than the one I mentioned above, on loan. They certainly will be if necessary. It's hard to get to the magic 200 hours/aircraft with 40% of the fleet NMC for months at a time.
Quote from: bflynn on January 28, 2015, 09:28:49 PM
If I have some wrong information, that would help explain my confusion.
See the post above.
Quote from: bflynn on January 28, 2015, 09:28:49 PM
Quote from: AirDX on January 28, 2015, 05:12:14 PM
Quote from: bflynn on January 27, 2015, 08:59:27 PM
I still don't understand having 7 or 8 of those airplanes based on Oahu. Seems like it would pretty much end ES on Maui and Kauai or at least encourage people to find other things to do with their free time.
You don't understand it because it's not the case. I addressed this earlier. There are 4 aircraft nominally based on Oahu. 1 of those 4 has been farmed out to the Big Island for over a year replacing an aircraft that's been in extended maintenance. Of the 3 remaining on Oahu, 1 has been in maintenance for 2-3 months itself.
I must have misread something. What I understood.
They have 10 aircraft. I've read 2-3 are on the Big Island. 2 were removed from Kauai and Maui and moved to Oahu, leaving both Kauai and Maui with no aircraft.
There are only squadrons on 4 islands. Therefore, any remaining aircraft must be on Oahu.
In any case, to my knowledge there are only aircraft on Oahu and Hawaii. No other islands have a plane.
If I have some wrong information, that would help explain my confusion.
We are looking at ten (10) resources but five (5) are in the shop. So you have five (5) that are operational. That is how I copy the status report. 8)
OK, I'm in the status report as we speak. Here's what I see:
3 planes on Kauai, 2 FMC, 1 NMC
3 planes at one airport on Oahu, 2 FMC, 1 NMC
1 plane at another airport on Oahu, NMC
1 plane at one airport on the Big Island, PMC
1 plane at another airport on the Big Island, NMC
1 plane at on Maui, NMC
That adds up to 10.
It's easy for an article to paint doom and gloom...
The GoB Network is slowly coming to the realization that the Flying Club days are over, they're just not going quietly.
>bump<
Wow. From the Maui News:
http://www.mauinews.com/page/content.detail/id/597502/Civil-Air-Patrol-appoints-temporary-commander.html?nav=10 (http://www.mauinews.com/page/content.detail/id/597502/Civil-Air-Patrol-appoints-temporary-commander.html?nav=10)
"Zayas, 62, of Kihei is awaiting sentencing next month after pleading no contest to a reduced charge of third-degree forgery of another pilot's signature on a Civil Air Patrol document to indicate Zayas was qualified to fly cadets on orientation flights."
whaaaaa
Quote from: ProdigalJim on May 02, 2015, 02:15:15 AM
>bump<
Wow. From the Maui News:
http://www.mauinews.com/page/content.detail/id/597502/Civil-Air-Patrol-appoints-temporary-commander.html?nav=10 (http://www.mauinews.com/page/content.detail/id/597502/Civil-Air-Patrol-appoints-temporary-commander.html?nav=10)
"Zayas, 62, of Kihei is awaiting sentencing next month after pleading no contest to a reduced charge of third-degree forgery of another pilot's signature on a Civil Air Patrol document to indicate Zayas was qualified to fly cadets on orientation flights."
So I am not going to be spending money on a subscription. Who is Zayas because the lead paragraph (free paragraph) talks about a new Wing Commander:
QuoteA new temporary commander has been appointed for the Hawaii wing of the Civil Air Patrol, following controversy over the disbanding of a longtime Kahului squadron and the nearly yearlong absence of a mission airplane that had been stationed at Kahului Airport.
However, Col Wong is the wing commander. Or are they appointing a new squadron commander, which if I recall correctly was Lt Reyes.
Can you elaborate a bit? Yes, I am being lazy and not paying for the article. Thanks,
Wong stepped Down two weeks ago.
Quote from: LSThiker on May 02, 2015, 03:27:11 AM
Quote from: ProdigalJim on May 02, 2015, 02:15:15 AM
>bump<
Wow. From the Maui News:
http://www.mauinews.com/page/content.detail/id/597502/Civil-Air-Patrol-appoints-temporary-commander.html?nav=10 (http://www.mauinews.com/page/content.detail/id/597502/Civil-Air-Patrol-appoints-temporary-commander.html?nav=10)
"Zayas, 62, of Kihei is awaiting sentencing next month after pleading no contest to a reduced charge of third-degree forgery of another pilot's signature on a Civil Air Patrol document to indicate Zayas was qualified to fly cadets on orientation flights."
So I am not going to be spending money on a subscription. Who is Zayas because the lead paragraph (free paragraph) talks about a new Wing Commander:
QuoteA new temporary commander has been appointed for the Hawaii wing of the Civil Air Patrol, following controversy over the disbanding of a longtime Kahului squadron and the nearly yearlong absence of a mission airplane that had been stationed at Kahului Airport.
However, Col Wong is the wing commander. Or are they appointing a new squadron commander, which if I recall correctly was Lt Reyes.
Can you elaborate a bit? Yes, I am being lazy and not paying for the article. Thanks,
Sorry, it was free and clear when I first clicked on it...?
Here's a cached copy of what appeared on April 29:
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A new temporary commander has been appointed for the Hawaii wing of the Civil Air Patrol, following controversy over the disbanding of a longtime Kahului squadron and the nearly yearlong absence of a mission airplane that had been stationed at Kahului Airport.
In a news release Tuesday, the organization announced that Col. John Henry Felix was appointed interim Hawaii wing commander.
He replaces Col. Jeff Wong, who was transferred to the organization's Pacific region headquarters after having headed the Hawaii wing for the past two years.
During Wong's tenure, the Cessna 192 airplane that had been used to provide tsunami and hurricane warnings for Maui County was removed from Kahului Airport and flown to Oahu for maintenance in March 2014. Officials said the plane, which had its cracked engine repaired, was back on Maui for about 12 days in January before being flown to Honolulu for additional maintenance. The plane was back on Maui in mid-March.
After transferring members out of the unit, Wong disbanded Maui Composite Squadron HI-057 on the day Hurricane Iselle hit the islands in early August. Wong said the squadron, chartered in 1974, was "realigned" with the newer 76th Kihei squadron because of a decline in active participating members.
That was disputed by some longtime former 57th Kahului squadron members during a Civil Air Patrol town hall meeting on Maui in March. They said the fully functioning, mission-ready unit was dismantled in a retaliatory move after clashes with Maj. Eduardo Zayas, who started the Kihei squadron in 2009 and was made vice commander for the Hawaii wing under Wong.
At the meeting, Col. Brian Bishop, commander of the Pacific region of the Civil Air Patrol, said Zayas was no longer a member of the Civil Air Patrol.
Zayas, 62, of Kihei is awaiting sentencing next month after pleading no contest to a reduced charge of third-degree forgery of another pilot's signature on a Civil Air Patrol document to indicate Zayas was qualified to fly cadets on orientation flights.
In the news release Tuesday, Bishop said that Wong's tenure as Hawaii wing commander "was marked by change, necessitated by an Air Force compliance inspection report citing nearly 90 deficiencies, with over 30 related to safety."
Wong was given eight months to correct the discrepancies found in the July 2013 inspection and bring the wing into compliance with Civil Air Patrol regulations and standards, which he did, Bishop said.
"He leaves the wing in excellent shape, with 100 percent of the deficiencies resolved," Bishop said.
He said that, with zero deficiencies, the new Hawaii wing can move forward under Felix, who has been a member for more than 50 years and served as Hawaii wing commander from 1967 to 1968 and from 1980 to 1982.
"I am proud to have this opportunity to help write the next chapter in Hawaii wing's long and illustrious record of service," Felix said in the news release. "The Hawaii wing consists of dedicated patriots whose service to the citizens of Hawaii includes critically important tsunami warnings, as well as significant disaster relief and emergency service missions, cadet programs and aerospace education."
Felix, a veteran of the Korean and Vietnam wars, is commander of the Maryknoll Cadet Squadron in Honolulu. He is executive chairman, chief operating officer and chief financial officer of the Hawaii Medical Assurance Association.
Felix spent 16 years on the Honolulu City Council and has been chairman of more than a dozen federal, state and county boards and commissions. During his career spanning five decades, he has headed the Salk Institute for Biological Studies, Red Cross, Boy Scouts Aloha Council, March of Dimes, Consular Corps of Hawaii, Hawaii Public Radio, Young Presidents Organization, Junior Achievement and Academy of the Pacific.
Hawaii wing commander interviews will be held later this year, with a formal change of command set for 2016.
He must have mis-read the document title, thought it read Forge-5.