Form 5 in multi engine aircraft

[flyguy06]

I have known Keith for a long while and I am not too sure that he was kidding.

Just think, he saved us from at least 100 posts on uniforms by even bringing this subject up.

LOL. true.

I remember when I was on active duty stationed in Hawaii. I had transferred my CAP membership to the HIWG. I remember there being a CAP twin, some Italian aircraft twin engine piston fixed gear. It had all the CAP markings and everything. This was in 1997 though.

[BlueLakes1]

I have known Keith for a long while and I am not too sure that he was kidding.

Just think, he saved us from at least 100 posts on uniforms by even bringing this subject up.

LOL. true.

I remember when I was on active duty stationed in Hawaii. I had transferred my CAP membership to the HIWG. I remember there being a CAP twin, some Italian aircraft twin engine piston fixed gear. It had all the CAP markings and everything. This was in 1997 though.

I think those were Partenavias, weren't they?

[ricecakecm]

I had Form 5's in a King Air 90, Baron and Duchess at one point.  I know people who have had Form 5's in King Air 200s and Citation X's (C750 is an option in Ops Quals).

I also had a Form 5 in the Pilatus PC-12 at one point.  Would I ever fly it on a CAP mission?  No.  But it kept my Form 5 current in the 172 and 182.

[flyguy06]

I had Form 5's in a King Air 90, Baron and Duchess at one point.  I know people who have had Form 5's in King Air 200s and Citation X's (C750 is an option in Ops Quals).

I also had a Form 5 in the Pilatus PC-12 at one point.  Would I ever fly it on a CAP mission?  No.  But it kept my Form 5 current in the 172 and 182.

WOW

[flynd94]

I have known Keith for a long while and I am not too sure that he was kidding.

Just think, he saved us from at least 100 posts on uniforms by even bringing this subject up.

Paul,

You and Phil are correct.  I already dropped a line to the check airmen I have at the end of the month and, he is game.  Just think of the SAR/CD possibilities of the 1900.  I can haul 18 scanners around in grid 

[bosshawk]

Keith: go for it.  Maybe you can do some cadet O-rides, since all other flying is just about out the window.  Until the Congress passes the Defense Appropriations bill, all SAREX and CD flying is on hold.  As you know, in CAWG that makes for a very quiet time right now.

[CadetProgramGuy]

Huh, did someone mention Uniforms?!?

[DG]

I have known Keith for a long while and I am not too sure that he was kidding.

Paul,

You and Phil are correct.  I already dropped a line to the check airmen I have at the end of the month and, he is game.  Just think of the SAR/CD possibilities of the 1900.  I can haul 18 scanners around in grid 

Could be exciting!  Can I ride along?

Steep turns.

Stalls.

Simulated engine out to landing.

Go around.

Soft field take off and landing.

Recovery from unusual attitudes.

S - turns across a road at 1000 feet AGL.

Should be great fun!

[BlueLakes1]

Huh, did someone mention Uniforms?!?

What about them?

[bosshawk]

Major Creed: I made a sarcastic comment in one of my earlier posts that the guy talking about the Beech 1900 Form 5 had created enough of a stir to overcome some of the endless diatribes about uniforms.  I think that the guy whom you noticed was picking up on the sarcasm.

[BlueLakes1]

Major Creed: I made a sarcastic comment in one of my earlier posts that the guy talking about the Beech 1900 Form 5 had created enough of a stir to overcome some of the endless diatribes about uniforms.  I think that the guy whom you noticed was picking up on the sarcasm.

Ahh....that's what I get for posting right after I wake up. :-)

[flynd94]

My form 5 in a B1900D was done Monday during my recurrent sim.  All I need to do is meet with a Chief Check Airman and, its all legit.  Now, I must figure out how to get CAP to pay for a B1900D for the fleet

[FW]

Keith, if you can figure that out, you can figure out the uniform problems with CAP easily...

[DG]

My form 5 in a B1900D was done Monday during my recurrent sim.  All I need to do is meet with a Chief Check Airman and, its all legit.  Now, I must figure out how to get CAP to pay for a B1900D for the fleet

First time I ever heard of a Form 5 on a simulator.

Was it necessary to modify the Form 5?

For example, the following items on the Form 5 form itself.

Steep turns.

Simulated engine out to landing.

Go around.

Soft field take off and landing.

Forward slips to landing.

Recovery from unusual attitudes.

Partial panel recovery from unusual attitudes.

S - turns across a road.

Power on stalls.

Power off stalls.

Engine Failure During T.O. Below VMC.

Instrument Approach wt One Engine Out.

Engine Failure After Liftoff.

Maneuvering wt One Engine Inoperative.

Approach & Landing with One Engine.

VMC Demonstration.

Instrument Maneuvers wt One Engine Out.

Instrument Approach wt One Engine Out.

[flynd94]

Well, lets see here, a Level D simulator is good enough for the Feds, why wouldn't it be good enough for CAP?  I have yet to take a checkride flying FAR Part 121 in an aircraft.  Also, if you read 60-1, it doesn't forbid using a simulator.  The check airman I talked with (plus,I am one), didn't see anything wrong with using the Level D Simulator.

[bosshawk]

Keith: be sure and send a copy of the signed Form 5 to the National Stan and Eval Officer.  That ought to stir up Hqs quite a bit.  It might also stir up enough interest in this forum to put a dent in the uniform posts.

[PHall]

Keith: be sure and send a copy of the signed Form 5 to the National Stan and Eval Officer.  That ought to stir up Hqs quite a bit.  It might also stir up enough interest in this forum to put a dent in the uniform posts.

Yeah, like that will ever happen.

[DG]

Well, lets see here, a Level D simulator is good enough for the Feds, why wouldn't it be good enough for CAP?  I have yet to take a checkride flying FAR Part 121 in an aircraft.  Also, if you read 60-1, it doesn't forbid using a simulator.  The check airman I talked with (plus,I am one), didn't see anything wrong with using the Level D Simulator.

I am with you.

Impressive.  Breaking new ground.

Has anyone done this before?

I never knew or heard of it.

Good for you.

[WT]

Hey that sounds like a good idea.  Next, they'll be wanting to "perform" their next CAPF 91 in a simulator!

[flynd94]

Hey that sounds like a good idea.  Next, they'll be wanting to "perform" their next CAPF 91 in a simulator!

Why not, have you ever flown a simulator and, I am not talking about a Frasca.  A Level D Simulator can do everything an aircraft can do, realistic visuals and, anything else you can think of having.  I have been through 2 different airlines/training programs and, the first time you fly the actual aircraft is on an actual revenue flight.  The sophistication of modern simulators is impressive and, gives the check airman an ability to "test" on things that you could never do in an aircraft.

PS- Phil/Paul, I truly have my current company snowed, I have been asked to join the training department as both a simulator instructor and a Line Check Airman, if the only  knew the truth