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 on: Today at 02:32:31 AM 
Started by WillTheCommsGuy - Last post by WillTheCommsGuy
Thank y’all for the replies.


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 2 
 on: Yesterday at 10:35:40 PM 
Started by Hawk200 - Last post by Lakeshore-CAP-Ret
Elimination of all USAF style uniforms for seniors. ALL OF THEM.
Adoption of USAF uniform by cadets within two years of USAF change.

Easy.


Back in the day, I would of thought you'd be crazy to take away the USAF style for seniors, until I actually retired from the AF after 25 years while simultaneously belonging to CAP.  Now that I've seen seniors wear the AF uniform without oversight (Lt Cols, or sqdrn CCs actually enforcing weight and cleanliness of the uniforms CAP seniors wear). 


The last four years I was active in CAP, I was overweight. Rather than just ignore the regs that prohibit overweight seniors and cadets over 18 fm wearing the USAF, I decided integrity was more important and I stopped wearing the Air Force uniform.  Personally and surprisingly, I felt a freedom I never had before.  I enjoyed wearing the alternate uniform.  Still wore the alt uniform pressed, and shoes shinned, but I didn't have to wear all the 'bling' which I have several.


Your comments about cadets, I believe letting cadets wear blues is appropriate, but perhaps wearing the security guard dark blue BDUs would be a great uniform for everyone.  Just my thoughst.

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 on: Yesterday at 09:47:06 PM 
Started by cadetcadet - Last post by Eclipse
CAPR 265-2, Page 31-32
https://www.gocivilairpatrol.com/media/cms/P265_002_91CF616EC6FAD.pdf


"SUMMARY
In this case study we saw a cadet struggle with choosing the right person for the job or choosing a
personal friend. In some cases, the friend might also be the right person for the job. But this opens
you up to the appearance of choosing favorites. In other cases, if the friend is not the best person for
the job, this can put a strain on your relationship.

REMOTIVATION
Friendships and dating relationships can confuse our choices in CAP, especially when those close
friends are above or below you in the chain of command. The best choice is always the one that puts
the needs of the squadron ahead of personal desires. "


Page 46:

"OBJECTIVE
The objective of this lesson is for cadets to discuss the hazards of fraternization."


"REMOTIVATION
While Civil Air Patrol does not want to invade the private lives of its members, there are some
relationships that must be prohibited or discouraged for reasons of safety, decorum and unit
efficiency."


Clearly indicates what NHQ considers as the best practice, banned or not.

Further to this, consider the times in which CAP exists - not the days gone by
where cadets went home after a meeting and were removed from other members
and various pressures, but one where many cadets are intimately involved in all aspects
of each other's lives thanks to social-media, and even worse, the
hyper-sensitive nature of that same media in which the most minor transgressions and
well-intention-ed mistakes become grounds for the pitchfork mobs.

 4 
 on: Yesterday at 09:35:09 PM 
Started by cadetcadet - Last post by OldGuy
It's literally permitted under CAPR 60-2. Let's leave it at that and move on.

2.2.2. Cadet-to-Cadet Fraternization. It is not inherently improper for cadets to have personal or romantic relationships with other cadets; however, ...

...relationships between cadets of substantially different ages or grades, or between cadets within the same chain of command, are discouraged.

Cadets will not engage in inappropriate touching or displays of affection by kissing, hugging, or similar conduct while at a
CAP activity

 5 
 on: Yesterday at 09:05:26 PM 
Started by cadetcadet - Last post by TheSkyHornet
and isn't negatively affecting their participation in CAP
There's the key, right there.  When these relationships do go south, and start to negatively affect their participation in CAP, it's incumbent upon those of us in command positions to take the necessary steps to ensure that it stops.
Some people are successful at managing their relationships in and out of CAP.  Others are not.  When they are not, and it starts affecting CAP, then its time to have some uncomfortable conversations.

And at that time, if it develops to become an issue that fails to stop, we take disciplinary action, if required.

If you're so infatuated with another cadet that you're not taking your tests or promoting, not my issue. We'll have that discussion when the time comes to address your lack of progression.

If you guys broke up, and you don't leave the other cadet alone, and it becomes a case of harassment, we're going to have a serious chat, and I might have to get parents involved to talk about where this can escalate if it isn't fixed.

But until that stuff happens, I'll keep an eye out for it. I'm not going to intervene. I won't pull you aside and give a lecture until I see an issue starting to develop.


It's literally permitted under CAPR 60-2. Let's leave it at that and move on.

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 on: Yesterday at 05:04:51 PM 
Started by cadetcadet - Last post by Slim
and isn't negatively affecting their participation in CAP
There's the key, right there.  When these relationships do go south, and start to negatively affect their participation in CAP, it's incumbent upon those of us in command positions to take the necessary steps to ensure that it stops.
Some people are successful at managing their relationships in and out of CAP.  Others are not.  When they are not, and it starts affecting CAP, then its time to have some uncomfortable conversations.


 7 
 on: Yesterday at 04:49:50 PM 
Started by SarDragon - Last post by SarDragon
If you have an issue with a locked post, report it. Reporting it gets the "problem" in front of all the moderators, without stirring things up in public.

 8 
 on: Yesterday at 02:56:37 PM 
Started by cadetcadet - Last post by THRAWN
The same can be said for any membership organization, team, or the classroom. Want to put a bunch of highly motivated teenagers together and expect that they won't form personal relationships? Not gonna happen. It's worse in schools. At least with CAP, they're only forced together for an hour or so every week. Part of dabbling in relationships, is learning how to manage them when they end. That also, is leadership.

 9 
 on: Yesterday at 02:26:23 PM 
Started by cadetcadet - Last post by Eclipse
What people do in their personal lives is none of CAP's business as long as it isn't against the law, isn't against regulations, and isn't negatively affecting their participation in CAP.

So Commanders and leaders should just look the other way regarding a legitimate issue that
regularly affects squadrons and members in a negative way?  Just wait until things are broken
to bring it up?

This is how you "lead"?

One of the primary roles of the CP is to provide good examples and guide adolescent
members to making good choices. This is literally the intent of the CDI program.

Further, 60-2 has language that actively discourages cadet fraternization in a number
of specific and very common cases, and 265-2 has several sessions which include discussions
of cadet dating relationships, including one which reinforces why these relationships are poor choices
and can negatively impact both individuals and the organization as a whole.

More to the point, "suggesting a common-sense best practice" "enforcing your will" or any
of the other leaps made, it's the responsibility of Commanders and other leaders as defined by the curriculum.

If and when people won't listen, at least no one can make the claim that it was never addressed or discouraged.

 10 
 on: Yesterday at 02:25:12 PM 
Started by Live2Learn - Last post by Live2Learn
This unclassified accident report: https://www.hqmc.marines.mil/Portals/61/1.%20%20YANKY%2072%20CLASS%20A%20MISHAP%20CI%20REPORT%20(PUBLIC%20RELEASE).pdf?ver=2018-12-06-104943-213

and accident simulation:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PjyGJO7Qm0

are instructive.  Aircraft need fuel to break the surly bonds of earth, but they need a lot of trust to continue flying.  In this case trust wasn't enough. 

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