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Quote from: Stonewall on March 24, 2021, 02:32:57 pmDid I miss something?
Quote from: jeders on March 24, 2021, 03:03:38 pmI can't speak to the requirements in 1995, but in 2000/2001 (still prior to the current SQTR method), in addition to the other items you listed was a 40-hr syllabus (per the PL authorizing my initial GTM qual) that had to be completed in order to get qualified.
Quote from: Stonewall on March 24, 2021, 03:33:36 pmQuote from: jeders on March 24, 2021, 03:03:38 pmI can't speak to the requirements in 1995, but in 2000/2001 (still prior to the current SQTR method), in addition to the other items you listed was a 40-hr syllabus (per the PL authorizing my initial GTM qual) that had to be completed in order to get qualified. What 40-hour syllabus? Perhaps my old mind has forgotten, but I vaguely recall some sort of "required" classroom training, but can't recall what it was, or if it was a NHQ level requirement.
Quote from: jeders on March 24, 2021, 03:42:58 pmMy understanding is that it was a NHQ level requirement as our course leader/instructor was a graduate of the train the trainer course at what has since become NESA.
Quote from: Stonewall on March 24, 2021, 02:32:57 pmTo become a GTM in 1995:1. Complete ES Questionnaire 2. First Aid/CPR Card (we called it Basic or Standard First Aid)3. Radio Operator Permit (ROP) - preceded ICUT4. Participate in two missions (real or practice) as GTM-TraineeDid I miss something?
Quote from: Spam on March 26, 2021, 04:47:49 pmHere's what 50-15 said:j. GTM(1) Complete ES questionnaire.(2) Possess the following:(a) Current standard first aid card.(b) FCC restricted ROP(c) ROP (CAPF 76)(d) Current state drivers license if a SM, or cadet 18-20 who has met the provisions of CAPR 77-1 to operate general purpose vehicles.(3) Complete the classroom instructions listed in para 5c(4) Satisfactory participation in a minimum of two missions as a GT trainee.The classroom instruction was a list including, quote:(1) Basic firefighting techniques(2) Use of forcible entry tools, if available.(3) Use of ground rescue equipment, rescue techniques.(4) Team safety.(5) Survival techniques.(6) Radiological monitoring.(7) Radiological decontamination procedures and equipment.( Radio and auxiliary ground equipment.(9) Interviewing techniques.(10) Map reading and use of compass.(11) Ground search techniques.(12) First aid.(13) Local laws applicable to ground search, rescue, and administration of first aid.(14) Local traffic laws.unquote.I remember that going through formal radiological monitoring training at Dobbins AFB (with a Reservist instructor who worked for the NRC) was surprisingly one of the best parts of the training, even though I joined to go into the woods... I would suspect that few of my era of "qualified" GTMs/GTLs actually got hands-on practice with decontam equipment and procedures, as we did. Decades later, the gloving/donning/doffing procedures came in handy for BBP protection and keeping the family safe from the 'vid... but other than that it was meaningless and unneeded. The gear was all locked up in a FEMA CD warehouse on Confederate Avenue downtown, which would obviously take a 2 megaton hit in any soviet strike. I had the same opinion of the forcible entry training (you want us to do what?). Nowadays, certification and requal on that, and the liability associated, put us out of that game entirely. We're light search only, no "R" in SAR.Good question about a "40 hour" requirement. The above topics easily could take 40 hours, if trained to the level of proficiency necessary, but the explicit 40 hour requirement I remember was for GTL, not GTM: you needed to have ARC Advanced First Aid, which was defined as a 40 hour course as opposed to GTM which required ARC Standard (8 hour) first aid.Oh, and two missions meant two missions, at least in my AO, back in the day. As a cadet it actually took me four (three T plus an actual missing A/C mission) to meet the standards of the tough guys running our programs. But today,
Quote from: Stonewall on March 27, 2021, 12:35:55 ambut who blessed what was a proficient level and what curriculum was used?
Quote from: coudano on March 27, 2021, 01:23:16 amQuote from: Stonewall on March 27, 2021, 12:35:55 ambut who blessed what was a proficient level and what curriculum was used?Well if you will recall, you submitted a CAPF2a (i think) with whatever support,up the chain of command, to wing/eswho cut you a paper card (before wmt or whatever the software was that existed before e-services and wmirs)Now it's all just clicky clicky
Quote from: Eclipse on March 29, 2021, 10:00:44 pmMission Scanner BITD was an ECI test and a business card with signature slots for two pattern rides.
Quote from: Stonewall on March 31, 2021, 10:56:00 pmQuote from: Eclipse on March 29, 2021, 10:00:44 pmMission Scanner BITD was an ECI test and a business card with signature slots for two pattern rides.Yup, still got all that documentation from 1994.
Quote from: Spam on March 31, 2021, 11:10:43 pmQuote from: Stonewall on March 31, 2021, 10:56:00 pmQuote from: Eclipse on March 29, 2021, 10:00:44 pmMission Scanner BITD was an ECI test and a business card with signature slots for two pattern rides.Yup, still got all that documentation from 1994.Not when I earned my MS and MO... from memory the two ECI courses were 2130A and B (MS and MO formal courses with locally administered closed book exams), plus under CAPM 50-1 (Observer Training) they had me complete a five hop, discrete tasks practical series under a qualified instructor. Two hops for MS, plus two actual missions (not sure if you call those "pattern rides). Then for MO the last three focused flights and then two more full front seat AFAMs, plus ARM training, and a flightline practical.Not that I'm arguing for a reinvention of ARM training mind you. Same comments as with GTM/L.V/rSpam
Quote from: Eclipse on April 04, 2021, 07:10:50 pmNot surprising to hear how uneven execution / standards were 20+ years ago. Heck, they are uneven now and everything is supposed to be standardized.This, of course, is the era of the "Monthly Membership Report" (MMR) where the CCsimply wrote directly on it near a member's name to indicate completion of Professional Development levels.This when I learned the phrase "P51 Hours".Good times.
Quote from: Spam on April 04, 2021, 08:43:57 pmThat was the MML (Monthly Membership Listing), not MMR.
Quote from: Spam on April 04, 2021, 08:43:57 pmIt was merely the roster/contact list, etc. There was a separate report (also dot matrix printed on attractive green/white striped perforated paper) called the SMTLR, or Senior Member Training Level Report. That latter report was the one which the unit/CC needed to update with red pen when someone added a new specialty track, or specialty track level. Contrary to your impression, we were not allowed to sign PD levels at the unit level; we still had to submit for higher HQ approval all the forms for courses, SLS/CLCs, conferences, and the like, and the records were updated at higher.
Quote from: Spam on April 04, 2021, 08:43:57 pmUntil a certain point though, the only central records of 101 currency were kept at Wing level based on approved/signed CAPF100s, so members were required to hand carry currency info to be presented at a sign in desk at a mission. It was always fun (not!) when enthusiastic but ignorant members would show up with no docs, and we had to tell them to go home (getting cussed out often as not). A sample for example: a GTM (no GTM3/2/1 then) would have to show a valid/current 101, a CAP ROP, an FCC 753, a CAPF60 emerg notification card, and a current Red Cross Standard First Aid card (8 hour class). A GTL would have to add a CAP drivers license and proof of valid ARC Advanced First Aid card (40 hour class), and these classes expired every 3 years.
Quote from: Eclipse on April 04, 2021, 07:10:50 pmNot surprising to hear how uneven execution / standards were 20+ years ago. Heck, they are uneven now and everything is supposed to be standardized.
Quote from: Stonewall on April 05, 2021, 01:45:24 pmI recall now, that I never got scanner qualified. Like most, I was not a fan of riding in the back of a 152
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