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Operations => Emergency Services & Operations => Topic started by: yolo on January 18, 2022, 03:34:57 PM

Title: CAPR 900-3 Exceptions
Post by: yolo on January 18, 2022, 03:34:57 PM
Hey y'all,

I was doing some reading for my ES technician rating and I had a question about CAPR 900-3. It states:

QuoteCivil Air Patrol members will not carry, wear or use firearms while engaged in
Civil Air Patrol activities

It does have exceptions, but none are explicitly stated. What are some of these exceptions?

Thanks,
yolo
Title: Re: CAPR 900-3 Exceptions
Post by: jeders on January 18, 2022, 04:03:16 PM
It actually very explicitly states the exceptions directly below the text that you quoted, specifically:

Quotea. The carrying of firearms prohibition is subject to the following exceptions:
(1) A member may carry firearms on his/her person when required to do so by law provided he/she has a written statement of proof of such requirement signed by the wing commander.
(2) Firearms may be carried in survival gear in CAP aircraft when required by law. When firearms are so authorized, they will not be removed from the survival gear unless an emergency situation exists.
(3) Firearms may be used under strict supervision as authorized in CAPR 52-16, Cadet Program Management.

Ignoring the fact that 52-16 is now 60-1, those are the only exceptions to the rule. If the situation does not fit into one of those very small exceptions, then firearms may not be carried or used while performing CAP duties.
Title: Re: CAPR 900-3 Exceptions
Post by: coudano on January 18, 2022, 05:12:39 PM
We have a few states in the USA that are on the cusp of making it a legal requirement for everyone to carry
Title: Re: CAPR 900-3 Exceptions
Post by: THRAWN on January 18, 2022, 08:04:17 PM
Quote from: coudano on January 18, 2022, 05:12:39 PMWe have a few states in the USA that are on the cusp of making it a legal requirement for everyone to carry

What states would those be? What legislation would justify it?
Title: Re: CAPR 900-3 Exceptions
Post by: NovemberWhiskey on January 18, 2022, 09:00:38 PM
I rather think that was tongue-in-cheek.
Title: Re: CAPR 900-3 Exceptions
Post by: AirDX on January 18, 2022, 10:13:42 PM
Subpara (2) exists because years ago Alaska state law required the inclusion of a firearm in aircraft survival kits. That requirement went away years ago.
Title: Re: CAPR 900-3 Exceptions
Post by: RiverAux on January 18, 2022, 10:25:57 PM
Quote from: THRAWN on January 18, 2022, 08:04:17 PM
Quote from: coudano on January 18, 2022, 05:12:39 PMWe have a few states in the USA that are on the cusp of making it a legal requirement for everyone to carry

What states would those be? What legislation would justify it?

Obviously joking, but fyi up until about the mid-1800s or so firearms ownership was required as part of state's militia regulations.  It was pretty widely ignored according to my memory of a book I read 15 years ago....
Title: Re: CAPR 900-3 Exceptions
Post by: THRAWN on January 18, 2022, 11:44:24 PM
Quote from: RiverAux on January 18, 2022, 10:25:57 PM
Quote from: THRAWN on January 18, 2022, 08:04:17 PM
Quote from: coudano on January 18, 2022, 05:12:39 PMWe have a few states in the USA that are on the cusp of making it a legal requirement for everyone to carry

What states would those be? What legislation would justify it?

Obviously joking, but fyi up until about the mid-1800s or so firearms ownership was required as part of state's militia regulations.  It was pretty widely ignored according to my memory of a book I read 15 years ago....

Makes sense. Ties well regulated and Title 10 into a nice tidy little package.
Title: Re: CAPR 900-3 Exceptions
Post by: Shuman 14 on January 19, 2022, 02:43:12 PM
I believe, at one time, several States had requirements for Law enforcement officers, even while off duty, to carry their duty weapon and badge with them at all times.

Not sure that's the case anymore.
Title: Re: CAPR 900-3 Exceptions
Post by: THRAWN on January 19, 2022, 03:09:06 PM
Quote from: Shuman 14 on January 19, 2022, 02:43:12 PMI believe, at one time, several States had requirements for Law enforcement officers, even while off duty, to carry their duty weapon and badge with them at all times.

Not sure that's the case anymore.

It is still permitted, but varies agency by agency. Most encourage but don't require it.