CAP Talk

Almost time.  Who's ready for it?

Live stream?

Live stream starts at Noon.

I can't live stream at work.  Anyone out there willing to give hourly updates on CAPTalk?

Quote from: swamprat86 on February 27, 2009, 03:04:51 PM
I can't live stream at work.  Anyone out there willing to give hourly updates on CAPTalk?

There is usually a near real-time commentary here...

Quote from: DC on February 27, 2009, 03:15:08 PM

Quote from: swamprat86 on February 27, 2009, 03:04:51 PM
I can't live stream at work.  Anyone out there willing to give hourly updates on CAPTalk?

There is usually a near real-time commentary here...

Yeah, that's the problem.  Like cable "news" stations, you can't just hear the news, you have to get the opinion of the entire peanut gallery.

Maybe we can setup two threads: one for actual updates from the live stream, and the other for the inevitable ranting.

Good idea :)

There's a difference?

BTW thanks to whomever for the updates.

I know I received the email from National, but probably deleted it. Can anyone provide me with the link or tell me where one could find it so that I can watch the live stream? Thanks

capchannel

Has anyone been able to activiate link yet?

^ nothing yet.

I don't even see a link, just static text announcing the Winter NB

 Were do you go on CAP channel to watch it? I'm on the home page but don't know were to go.

I went to news at the top and then the CAPChannel

I guess something is not working right  ???

CAP Channel update states "The 2009 Winter National Board live stream from Washington D.C. will continue after the closed session is complete!

Really?  Where did you see that?

Quote from: RickFranz on February 27, 2009, 05:18:49 PM
Really?  Where did you see that?

Says it on the top of the home page.

Here is the link to that page.

http://www.capchannel.com/

How long is this closed door session going to go on for?

Curren update

"The 2009 Winter National Board live stream from Washington, D.C. is in closed session.  The live stream will continue at 1:00 PM EST."

 The area to click to receive the stream is up again.

They have started.

does the stream keep on freezing up on anyone else or is it just me?

Froze on me as she was introducing Gen Boling...

yes

Currently they are replaying the roll call, which was preceded by Mr. Don Rowland saying "welcome especially to those viewing on the Internet, We are streaming live" 

Yeah, not so much :D

Edit:  My Quicktime is looping.  That is All.

They just had a long briefing on parliamentary procedure and what they could and couldn't do.

Update:
- Consolidated maintenance is working well even though members think it is a pain in the butt.
- ACE program kids are not cadets, the program is for Character Development.
- NHQ Renovation; relocation complete, renovation will take 20 months (optimistically) and cost $5 million.

Col. Hodgkins just got up to speak.

Col Hodgkins to retire 1 Jul 09

Quote from: tedda on February 27, 2009, 07:11:36 PM
Col Hodgkins to retire 1 Jul 09

His CoC will be 13 April 09.

Col Hodgkins given CAP life membership

Courter briefing (what I saw of it)
o flights up 20%
ARCHER training up 300%
NESA attendence up 41%
Save 91 last year
CAP flights are 80% of 1st AF daily flights
50% of AFJROTC o-rides were from CAP.
AE membership up 44% to 1500
ACE Program has 7000 students in 8-5, 1800 students in 6-8. 
55639 total CAP members
Expect to get 19 aircraft and 36 vehicles this year.

Mr. Tom Jones, AF Sec. office briefing

Now we will have a AF Col. basically full-time on CAP issues at the Sec. of AF office.  1st AF will have 3 CAP-focused AF positions.  The A3O department (homeland security) had 6 positions for CAP stuff, but most of them really spent most of their time on other stuff.  Restructuring that. 

VSAF.  Center for Naval Analysis did a study of 1st year test program at 3 AFBs.  Had logistical problems (base access, CAC cards/token cards for computer use).  Hard to use volunteers during normal working hours.  Need to look at non-traditional times when vols are available.  Need to look at skills vols can bring to the table.  Bringing cadet in to hand out towels isn't a good use of CAP time, but a CAP IT expert might be something the AF could use.  AF retirees might be able to help with what they know from their career.   Jobs need to be something that the volunteers feel are important.  Need to look at how recruit volunteers.

Working on getting Pentagon badges for Courter and a few other high level CAP people.  Used to do it in the 90s apparently. 

Courter invited to AF Reserves Policy Board Meeting.  Evidently have slots for 2 non-voting members of this board from CAP. 

Want to have CAP brief various AF committees and councils on what we do. 

Will get some more senior AF people to speak with CAP cadet Civil Leadership Academy.

Thinks need a better and more consistent relationship overall between CAP and the National Guard in all states.  Will speak with NG leader to encourage TAGs to have someone on their staff as a CAP contact so that we work closer with them.  For example, maybe have CAP help in the National Guard Youth Challenge program.  Maybe encourage academy graduates to move into CAP afterward.

Maybe look for partnerships with the AF Reserve.  No specifics.

Wants to see CAP included when people list the components of the Air Force.  (Active Duty, Guard, Reserve, Auxiliary).  Next time Mr. Jones orders his personal coin, he will have them make it so that CAP is listed with the other 3 components.

In recess for 15 minutes starting 1518.

^ His talk was motivating for the future of CAP. We need more guys like him at the top levels of the Air Force. Just hearing his ideas makes me think that maybe CAP can pull out of our stagnation.

Looks to me like Mr. Jones is one of the best things to happen to CAP in years!

Mr Jones sounded sincere in his plans to include CAP more in AF affairs and reduce our status as the red headed step child.

It was positive and upbeat.  Now if it will only happen.   Plus, we need to make sure we have our act together should it come to fruition.

Consent agenda items appoved:

3a. DA - Approval of the March 2008 National Board Minutes
3d. DO - Removal of CAPR 60-11
3e. HC - Change of Designation for the CAP Chaplain Service
3f. ED - Professional Military Education Equivalency Time Limit

3b. DP - Protecting Personally Identifiable Information.  Amended to strike "like CAP tests" as being a little too vague given all the rules specific to test control.   

Lost Video feed on their end...

Anyone else loose the feed?

If so anyone got someone in the room that can keep us updated.  I'm curious about 3C the SET stuff.

Sent a text to WG/CC hopefully he lets them know

It's back.

They're back

Lost Audio?

Now, there's no sound....

Sound is back.

3c approved.  SET.  With some ammendments, but we lost sound so didn't get all of them. 

I stepped away for two minutes.  What was the final phrasing of the motion?

Quote from: Black Anugs on February 27, 2009, 09:07:55 PM
I stepped away for two minutes.  What was the final phrasing of the motion?

It was not given.

4.  Test Control Officers approved as proposed.

5.  Confidentiality of Internet Email

Tabled for further discussion by staff.  Need better definitinos of "confidential", etc.

6.  Review of Membership Waivers for Unfavorable Criminal History Information.

Withdrawn.  Need to re-work proposal, include way to request waivers, more transparent process. 

7.  Requirement for Criminal Background Check for Cadets over the age of 18 Years

Ammended to strike 1st paragraph (background checks) and last line of paragraph 2. 
Note that the agenda mentions that there are 2630 cadets between 18-21. 

This is what was approved:

Quote(2) a change to CAPR 35-3 requiring the termination of membership of any cadet who has been convicted of any offense (or has suffered a pattern of arrests) that would disqualify such cadet from senior membership in CAP as described in CAPR 39-2, paragraph 3-2, and subject to same waiver procedures currently in effect for senior members.

8.  CAP Member Standardized Recognition Program.  withdrawn.

9.  Request for Study of SSN Substitute.  NHQ will study SSN substitute and discuss solution with AF/ARmy JROTC in hopes that it will allow more to join. 

Evidently some public charter school wants to pay for membership for CAP for entire study body.  School can't ask students for SSNs, so is why we need substitute.   Some concern expressed that this would let school decide who is a CAP member by deciding which kids can go to the school. 

motion failed.

10.  Aircraft/Vehicle movement.  Tabled for later this meeting.  Probably will be removing references to "member".  Don't want to get into a member travel approval system. 

11.  CAP Member Standardized Discipline Program
Postponed indefinetely, since they're already working on a draft reg on adverse membership actions.

12.  AE Officer of the Year –Name Change.
Ammended to have a "competition" to decide who the award would be named after.  (Hmm, was this done for all the other awards we renamed?)


Recessed for today. 

By the way, here is the agenda: http://members.gocivilairpatrol.com/media/cms/NB_2009_Feb_Agenda_BD2E1427664DC.pdf

 Ended for today.

Thanks for all your updates.  Kept my mind off of work for a while.   ;)

Quote from: RiverAux on February 27, 2009, 09:48:14 PM
10.  Aircraft/Vehicle movement.  Tabled for later this meeting.  Probably will be removing references to "member".  Don't want to get into a member travel approval system. 

This can be a big problem for those of us who live adjacent to a different region.  I can literally walk out the front door of my office and hit Southwest region with a rock if I use a slingshot...

I know what you mean.  I can be in another region in the same time it takes me to get to the nearest unit in my region.

Quote from: RiverAux on February 27, 2009, 09:48:14 PM
10.  Aircraft/Vehicle movement.  Tabled for later this meeting.  Probably will be removing references to "member".  Don't want to get into a member travel approval system. 

Members taking corporate assets out of state so that they're not available for use in an emergency is a concern, yes. However, as the gentleman from NH stated, making a blanket rule that one needs approval before crossing a state line regardless of how long one will be over that state line can cause more problems than it fixes.

We've got quite a few members in our wing who live in different states/regions right up on the border that go back and forth all the time.  I'm pretty sure the Region and Wing Commanders aren't going to want twenty phone calls every time a meeting breaks up and the folks head home across the border.

Quote from: Al Sayre on February 27, 2009, 10:10:41 PM
We've got quite a few members in our wing who live in different states/regions right up on the border that go back and forth all the time.  I'm pretty sure the Region and Wing Commanders aren't going to want twenty phone calls every time a meeting breaks up and the folks head home across the border.

Yes, that would be pretty silly.  But, it was my understanding that the original motion was to add language such that a van couldn't be taken out of the wing w/o anyone knowing about it.  (Approval for aircraft is required per 60-1 but nothing in the regs about ground vehicles, right?) During the discussion period, there was talk of getting approval for individual members to leave the state but I'm pretty sure the original motion was only in regard to vehicles specifically ground vehicles.....I could have missed something though of course.

Friday summary -

Agenda: http://members.gocivilairpatrol.com/media/cms/NB_2009_Feb_Agenda_BD2E1427664DC.pdf

Update:
- Consolidated maintenance is working well even though members think it is a pain in the butt.
- ACE program kids are not cadets, the program is for Character Development.
- NHQ Renovation; relocation complete, renovation will take 20 months (optimistically) and cost $5 million.

Mr. Tom Jones, AF Sec. office briefing

Now we will have a AF Col. basically full-time on CAP issues at the Sec. of AF office.  1st AF will have 3 CAP-focused AF positions.  The A3O department (homeland security) had 6 positions for CAP stuff, but most of them really spent most of their time on other stuff.  Restructuring that.

VSAF.  Center for Naval Analysis did a study of 1st year test program at 3 AFBs.  Had logistical problems (base access, CAC cards/token cards for computer use).  Hard to use volunteers during normal working hours.  Need to look at non-traditional times when vols are available.  Need to look at skills vols can bring to the table.  Bringing cadet in to hand out towels isn't a good use of CAP time, but a CAP IT expert might be something the AF could use.  AF retirees might be able to help with what they know from their career.   Jobs need to be something that the volunteers feel are important.  Need to look at how recruit volunteers.

Working on getting Pentagon badges for Courter and a few other high level CAP people.  Used to do it in the 90s apparently.

Courter invited to AF Reserves Policy Board Meeting.  Evidently have slots for 2 non-voting members of this board from CAP.

Want to have CAP brief various AF committees and councils on what we do.

Will get some more senior AF people to speak with CAP cadet Civil Leadership Academy.

Thinks need a better and more consistent relationship overall between CAP and the National Guard in all states.  Will speak with NG leader to encourage TAGs to have someone on their staff as a CAP contact so that we work closer with them.  For example, maybe have CAP help in the National Guard Youth Challenge program.  Maybe encourage academy graduates to move into CAP afterward.

Maybe look for partnerships with the AF Reserve.  No specifics.

Wants to see CAP included when people list the components of the Air Force.  (Active Duty, Guard, Reserve, Auxiliary).  Next time Mr. Jones orders his personal coin, he will have them make it so that CAP is listed with the other 3 components.

Courter briefing (what I saw of it)
o flights up 20%
ARCHER training up 300%
NESA attendance up 41%
Save 91 last year
CAP flights are 80% of 1st AF daily flights
50% of AFJROTC o-rides were from CAP.
AE membership up 44% to 1500
ACE Program has 7000 students in 8-5, 1800 students in 6-8.
55639 total CAP members
Expect to get 19 aircraft and 36 vehicles this year.

Consent agenda items approved:

3a. DA - Approval of the March 2008 National Board Minutes
3b. DP - Protecting Personally Identifiable Information.  Amended to strike "like CAP tests" as being a little too vague given all the rules specific to test control.
3c approved.  SET.  With some amendments, but we lost sound so didn't get all of them.
3d. DO - Removal of CAPR 60-11
3e. HC - Change of Designation for the CAP Chaplain Service
3f. ED - Professional Military Education Equivalency Time Limit
4.  Test Control Officers approved as proposed.
5.  Confidentiality of Internet Email - Tabled for further discussion by staff.  Need better definitions of "confidential", etc. -   Review of Membership Waivers for Unfavorable Criminal History Information.
Withdrawn.  Need to re-work proposal, include way to request waivers, more transparent process.
7.  Requirement for Criminal Background Check for Cadets over the age of 18 Years

Amended to strike 1st paragraph (background checks) and last line of paragraph 2. 
Note that the agenda mentions that there are 2630 cadets between 18-21. 

This is what was approved:

Quote(2) a change to CAPR 35-3 requiring the termination of membership of any cadet who has been convicted of any offense (or has suffered a pattern of arrests) that would disqualify such cadet from senior membership in CAP as described in CAPR 39-2, paragraph 3-2, and subject to same waiver procedures currently in effect for senior members.

8.  CAP Member Standardized Recognition Program.  withdrawn.

9.  Request for Study of SSN Substitute.  NHQ will study SSN substitute and discuss solution with AF/Army JROTC in hopes that it will allow more to join. Evidently some public charter school wants to pay for membership for CAP for entire study body.  School can't ask students for SSNs, so is why we need substitute.   Some concern expressed that this would let school decide who is a CAP member by deciding which kids can go to the school.
motion failed.

10.  Aircraft/Vehicle movement.  Tabled for later this meeting.  Probably will be removing references to "member".  Don't want to get into a member travel approval system.


11.  CAP Member Standardized Discipline Program
Postponed indefinitely, since they're already working on a draft reg on adverse membership actions.

12.  AE Officer of the Year –Name Change.
Amended to have a "competition" to decide who the award would be named after.  (Hmm, was this done for all the other awards we renamed?)

I watched it. It was the first time I have ever watched a Board meeting, so I am new to it. Kinda reminded me of Congress. Inteesting none the less. I have drill tomorrow but during braks I may check it out.

Does anyone know what time are they starting up again tomorrow?

One other thing that mentioned early in the afternoon and I just got the tail end of it, was something about CAP maybe taking place of contractors working with Predators.  Did anyone catch that full discussion?

Is there a Dinner tonight?  Will that be streamed?

Quote from: RiverAux on February 27, 2009, 11:13:02 PM
One other thing that mentioned early in the afternoon and I just got the tail end of it, was something about CAP maybe taking place of contractors working with Predators.  Did anyone catch that full discussion?

I am part of that action....don't know how much I can talk about it....just that we are in fact going to do some predator simulation with a 182Q.

Quote from: RiverAux on February 27, 2009, 11:13:02 PM
One other thing that mentioned early in the afternoon and I just got the tail end of it, was something about CAP maybe taking place of contractors working with Predators.  Did anyone catch that full discussion?

This was mentioned during Mr. Jones' talk.  I don't recall him saying we would be taking the place of contractors, but he did mention something about the Predator.  I would hughly doubt we would be working with the Predator program, though.  I don't think we are that accepted by the AF except maybe at the very high levels.  YMMV.

Quote from: lordmonar on February 27, 2009, 11:36:18 PM

Quote from: RiverAux on February 27, 2009, 11:13:02 PM
One other thing that mentioned early in the afternoon and I just got the tail end of it, was something about CAP maybe taking place of contractors working with Predators.  Did anyone catch that full discussion?

I am part of that action....don't know how much I can talk about it....just that we are in fact going to do some predator simulation with a 182Q.

I'm assuming this is more of the intercept type missions for restricted areas, and not the UAVs, then?

Quote from: RiverAux on February 27, 2009, 08:53:08 PM
Consent agenda items appoved:

3f. ED - Professional Military Education Equivalency Time Limit

So they removed the time limit restrictions on Military Professional Education Courses completed BEFORE one entering CAP?
RM

Quote from: RickFranz on February 27, 2009, 11:26:30 PM
Is there a Dinner tonight?  Will that be streamed?

No, but they will be liveblogging their dessert choices.

Quote from: argentip on February 27, 2009, 11:40:02 PM

Quote from: RiverAux on February 27, 2009, 11:13:02 PM
One other thing that mentioned early in the afternoon and I just got the tail end of it, was something about CAP maybe taking place of contractors working with Predators.  Did anyone catch that full discussion?

This was mentioned during Mr. Jones' talk.  I don't recall him saying we would be taking the place of contractors, but he did mention something about the Predator.  I would hughly doubt we would be working with the Predator program, though.  I don't think we are that accepted by the AF except maybe at the very high levels.  YMMV.

You all need to have more faith in yourselves.

I can state for a fact that we are going to be flying some training support missions.  They are building the plane right now.  I am slated to be in the first cadre of sensor operators for this new platform.

Quote from: lordmonar on February 27, 2009, 11:36:18 PM

Quote from: RiverAux on February 27, 2009, 11:13:02 PM
One other thing that mentioned early in the afternoon and I just got the tail end of it, was something about CAP maybe taking place of contractors working with Predators.  Did anyone catch that full discussion?

I am part of that action....don't know how much I can talk about it....just that we are in fact going to do some predator simulation with a 182Q.

Okay that.  I've heard about that somewhere before --maybe here..  IIRC it involves putting Predator type video equipment on CAP planes and then using the CAP planes as the platform to train new operators on. 

Quote from: dwb on February 28, 2009, 12:30:44 AM

Quote from: RickFranz on February 27, 2009, 11:26:30 PM
Is there a Dinner tonight?  Will that be streamed?

No, but they will be liveblogging their dessert choices.

I'm still waiting for the ice cream Courter promised us last year.

Quote from: ♠SARKID♠ on February 28, 2009, 03:40:32 AM

Quote from: dwb on February 28, 2009, 12:30:44 AM

Quote from: RickFranz on February 27, 2009, 11:26:30 PM
Is there a Dinner tonight?  Will that be streamed?

No, but they will be liveblogging their dessert choices.

I'm still waiting for the ice cream Courter promised us last year.

It's still waiting for you at the Tastee Freeze, all you gotta do is pay for it...

I can't connect to the stream.. I was able to about 10 minutes ago, but there was no sound. Now nothing at all. Is this happening to anyone else?

Quote from: DC on February 28, 2009, 03:36:35 PM
I can't connect to the stream.. I was able to about 10 minutes ago, but there was no sound. Now nothing at all. Is this happening to anyone else?

I heve not had any problems today or yesterday.

Can anyone give an update for those of us that can't watch the stream today?

22 & 23 withdrawn
24 postponed to Pulic trust task force.

New process being studied. Suggestion to follow AF Uniform Board process.

26 a, b, c passed.

27a, to change the silver braid on the TPU to blue, fails.

Items 27:
a - Failed
b - Feed dropped. Unknown results

Quote from: arajca on February 28, 2009, 06:33:54 PM
b - Feed dropped. Unknown results

You too?

Every time I try to reconnect I get the same few seconds from the beginning of 27b...

Yep. Figures, the items we're most interested in they drop the feed on.  :angel:

Amen to that!!

Quote from: arajca on February 28, 2009, 06:37:44 PM
Yep. Figures, the items we're most interested in they drop the feed on.  :angel:

Yeah, further evidence that technology hates us...  ::)

Back up, they are talking about the commander's badge.

Quote from: DC on February 28, 2009, 06:40:42 PM
Back up, they are talking about the commander's badge.

Maybe for you..but not for me... Grr...

Anyways...I'm surprised nobody mentioned Online Cadet Testing passing.

Quote from: Lancer on February 28, 2009, 06:44:04 PM

Quote from: DC on February 28, 2009, 06:40:42 PM
Back up, they are talking about the commander's badge.

Maybe for you..but not for me... Grr...

Anyways...I'm surprised nobody mentioned Online Cadet Testing passing.

Oh, good, I was wondering about that..

And, it's down again.  >:(  What's so hard about keeping a couple webcams going?

Commanders badge got spit into 2 parts, no discussion about the BDU badge. then it dropped.

Purple Flight Suit insignia got pulled, but there was a bunch of apologies at the end, not sure what that was about...

27f - postponed

27g - Failed due to a lack of a second

27 G failed due to no Second

27 H
Ammended to  strike 'of Wing Commanders approval."

Passed

27i - postponed

When this is over, since I and many cannot open or maintain the connection, could one of you coresponents PM me an unofficial summary for my weekly newsletter.  Please feel free to include personal commentary...however also your name for publication purposes.

27j - postponed

Where's the link to the agenda?  I don't know what items are what.

Found it.

link is on yesterday's summary post

Recess until 3:20 eastern

Quote from: arajca on February 28, 2009, 07:19:24 PM
27j - postponed

I'm a little rusty on procedures, when they postpone an item, how long is it postponed for?

Quote from: winterg on February 28, 2009, 07:55:33 PM

Quote from: arajca on February 28, 2009, 07:19:24 PM
27j - postponed

I'm a little rusty on procedures, when they postpone an item, how long is it postponed for?

For whatever term deemed by the proposer of the postponement.  I believe until next board, but not sure.

I think the item I want to hear about the most at this board is the discussion on the CAP NCO Corps.

Ok, so I missed most of today three questions

what was the result with point 15 the face-to-face safety meetings?
when was the change on 27h the optional shoulder patch take effect?
when was 27j postponed till?

I think we need an award to wear on our uniform for taking a history test about as much as we need one for taking an aerospace test.  Sorry, Col. B.

Although I wholeheartedly agree with his comments on some oversight for cap unit emblems.

Does anyone know if they made the proposal to the AF concerning the NCO Corps available?

I missed the NCO presentation. What was decided/discussed/dreamt about?

Quote from: arajca on February 28, 2009, 09:35:28 PM
I missed the NCO presentation. What was decided/discussed/dreamt about?

All I heard them say is that the proposal for a CAP NCO Corps is at the AF for review.  I have no idea what they are actually proposing, would like to though.

It's over.

I know that there was technical issues durning the discussion of the light weight blue jacket, anyone hear how it ended?

Is it possible to have a summary of today's portion of the board?

Quote from: RogueLeader on February 28, 2009, 06:45:35 PM
Commanders badge got spit into 2 parts, no discussion about the BDU badge. then it dropped.

I'm not sure I could follow but did it pass?  What was split in 2 parts? Thanks.

Quote from: captrncap on February 28, 2009, 11:34:48 PM

I'm not sure I could follow but did it pass?  What was split in 2 parts? Thanks.

The whole proposal was split into two parts, the badge for BDU's/field uniforms and the rest. I believe that the first part was tabled until summer.  Then the other half discussion was lost due to no feed.

Can anyone tell me what happened with the Chaplain Professional Development proposal?

From what I heard during the Chaplain's report, it passed.

Quote from: arajca on February 28, 2009, 11:59:43 PM
From what I heard during the Chaplain's report, it passed.

Thank you.

All these numbers you all are saying. 27jand 27i and 24 whatever. I know you guys are trying to save on typing ,but for those of us who dont know what all those numbers mean, could you tell us?

They're references for the agenda. You can get the agenda from e-services.

Quote from: flyguy06 on March 01, 2009, 02:34:40 AM
All these numbers you all are saying. 27jand 27i and 24 whatever. I know you guys are trying to save on typing ,but for those of us who dont know what all those numbers mean, could you tell us?

Quote from: PHall on March 01, 2009, 02:39:39 AM
They're references for the agenda. You can get the agenda from e-services.

The link's at the top of page 4, and repeated here:

http://members.gocivilairpatrol.com/media/cms/NB_2009_Feb_Agenda_BD2E1427664DC.pdf

RTFM.  ;)

I knew there was a reason to keep you around Dave! :clap:

Full summary (of these posts) - I was in training this weekend and missed the whole thing so this is all I gots.  If anyone has access to the draft minutes from their chain, that would be great.

Friday summary -

Agenda: http://members.gocivilairpatrol.com/media/cms/NB_2009_Feb_Agenda_BD2E1427664DC.pdf

Update:
- Consolidated maintenance is working well even though members think it is a pain in the butt.
- ACE program kids are not cadets, the program is for Character Development.
- NHQ Renovation; relocation complete, renovation will take 20 months (optimistically) and cost $5 million.

Mr. Tom Jones, AF Sec. office briefing

Now we will have a AF Col. basically full-time on CAP issues at the Sec. of AF office.  1st AF will have 3 CAP-focused AF positions.  The A3O department (homeland security) had 6 positions for CAP stuff, but most of them really spent most of their time on other stuff.  Restructuring that.

VSAF.  Center for Naval Analysis did a study of 1st year test program at 3 AFBs.  Had logistical problems (base access, CAC cards/token cards for computer use).  Hard to use volunteers during normal working hours.  Need to look at non-traditional times when vols are available.  Need to look at skills vols can bring to the table.  Bringing cadet in to hand out towels isn't a good use of CAP time, but a CAP IT expert might be something the AF could use.  AF retirees might be able to help with what they know from their career.   Jobs need to be something that the volunteers feel are important.  Need to look at how recruit volunteers.

Working on getting Pentagon badges for Courter and a few other high level CAP people.  Used to do it in the 90s apparently.

Courter invited to AF Reserves Policy Board Meeting.  Evidently have slots for 2 non-voting members of this board from CAP.

Want to have CAP brief various AF committees and councils on what we do.

Will get some more senior AF people to speak with CAP cadet Civil Leadership Academy.

Thinks need a better and more consistent relationship overall between CAP and the National Guard in all states.  Will speak with NG leader to encourage TAGs to have someone on their staff as a CAP contact so that we work closer with them.  For example, maybe have CAP help in the National Guard Youth Challenge program.  Maybe encourage academy graduates to move into CAP afterward.

Maybe look for partnerships with the AF Reserve.  No specifics.

Wants to see CAP included when people list the components of the Air Force.  (Active Duty, Guard, Reserve, Auxiliary).  Next time Mr. Jones orders his personal coin, he will have them make it so that CAP is listed with the other 3 components.

Courter briefing (what I saw of it)
o flights up 20%
ARCHER training up 300%
NESA attendance up 41%
Save 91 last year
CAP flights are 80% of 1st AF daily flights
50% of AFJROTC o-rides were from CAP.
AE membership up 44% to 1500
ACE Program has 7000 students in 8-5, 1800 students in 6-8.
55639 total CAP members
Expect to get 19 aircraft and 36 vehicles this year.

Consent agenda items approved:

3a. DA - Approval of the March 2008 National Board Minutes
3b. DP - Protecting Personally Identifiable Information.  Amended to strike "like CAP tests" as being a little too vague given all the rules specific to test control.
3c approved.  SET.  With some amendments, but we lost sound so didn't get all of them.
3d. DO - Removal of CAPR 60-11
3e. HC - Change of Designation for the CAP Chaplain Service
3f. ED - Professional Military Education Equivalency Time Limit
4.  Test Control Officers approved as proposed.
5.  Confidentiality of Internet Email - Tabled for further discussion by staff.  Need better definitions of "confidential", etc. -   Review of Membership Waivers for Unfavorable Criminal History Information.
Withdrawn.  Need to re-work proposal, include way to request waivers, more transparent process.
7.  Requirement for Criminal Background Check for Cadets over the age of 18 Years

Amended to strike 1st paragraph (background checks) and last line of paragraph 2.
Note that the agenda mentions that there are 2630 cadets between 18-21.

This is what was approved:
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(2) a change to CAPR 35-3 requiring the termination of membership of any cadet who has been convicted of any offense (or has suffered a pattern of arrests) that would disqualify such cadet from senior membership in CAP as described in CAPR 39-2, paragraph 3-2, and subject to same waiver procedures currently in effect for senior members.

8.  CAP Member Standardized Recognition Program.  withdrawn.

9.  Request for Study of SSN Substitute.  NHQ will study SSN substitute and discuss solution with AF/Army JROTC in hopes that it will allow more to join. Evidently some public charter school wants to pay for membership for CAP for entire study body.  School can't ask students for SSNs, so is why we need substitute.   Some concern expressed that this would let school decide who is a CAP member by deciding which kids can go to the school.
motion failed.

10.  Aircraft/Vehicle movement.  Tabled for later this meeting.  Probably will be removing references to "member".  Don't want to get into a member travel approval system.


11.  CAP Member Standardized Discipline Program
Postponed indefinitely, since they're already working on a draft reg on adverse membership actions.

12.  AE Officer of the Year –Name Change.
Amended to have a "competition" to decide who the award would be named after.  (Hmm, was this done for all the other awards we renamed?)
   

22 withdrawn
23 withdrawn
24 postponed to Pulic trust task force.

26 a, b, c passed.
27a, to change the silver braid on the TPU to blue, fails.
27f - postponed
27g - Failed due to a lack of a second
27 H Ammended to  strike 'of Wing Commanders approval."  Passed
27i - postponed
27j - postponed

Can you tell me if 14 was at all amended?  There was the piece about SLS and CLC being available on-line (which is not going to happen...from what I've been told) plus there was some comment in the agenda about grandfathering existing chaplains (which I wouldn't be in favor of).  If it passed, then the promotion of Chaplains takes it completely out of the realm of Professional Appointments/Promotions (which I would NOT object too).

I don't think anyone here caught that part. The only thing I heard about it pasing was during they Chaplain's report, when he expressed profuse thanks to the board for passing it.

The actual agenda item was not amended.  However, the background information was incorrect and, that was corrected.  Chaplains must now go thorough the PD program to be promoted past their initial appointment grade

This was on the agenda but I saw nothing of it. Did anybody catch Col. Blascovic's historian report? Was there a briefing or was it just filed? Thanks from a Historian, of course.

He gave a briefing, don't remember to much about it.  I had a lot going on in the background at home.  The one point I do remember is that he wanted all units to send him a copy of any proposed Unit patch so that he could screen them for problems.  Like using a copyrighted item or logos.

*bump*

Has anyone gotten information through other sources as to what happened with Agenda items 13-21? 

I've had several wing/region commanders in the past who would send out their own notes on everything a little while after NB/NEC meetings.  I haven't seen anything come out in my neck of the woods yet, was wondering if anyone else had gotten something like that, which might include the information on those items.

According to my notes,  Agenda items 13,14,16and 17 were approved.  Agenda items 15 and 18-20 were not and agenda item 21 was withdrawn.

Thank you, sir!

So can anyone recap the agenda for those of us who don't want to ping-pong between CAPTalk and the agenda PDF?

Please?

/\ +1  yes please!

^ +2, I tried and it just got too tedious, I have a small computer screen.

Quick and dirty. Highlighted were passed - some have comments attached. Strike out were not passed - failed, postponed, tabled, whatever.

If you want more details, get the whole document.

That's a big help, Arajca -- thanks for the effort.

Could someone post a link here when the minutes of the meeting are available on the CAP web site?

It will probably be 6-9 months.

are we good to go with the few uniform changes they made? 

I'm refereing to the patches specifically.  We can put our patches on the left shoulder correct?

I wouldn't do anything since there is actually nothing official ANYWHERE saying what the NB has approved or not.  Notes on CAPTalk (even those typed by me!) aren't official and I wouldn't count on them before altering my uniform.

When's the earliest we'd see something in writing about that?