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[NCRblues]

good thing NCO's in the AF are called sir or ma'am...

Just because one branch does things one way does not mean they all do it that way....

I think ill take a line close to RM, remember, were the Civil Air Patrol, USAF Aux. Not army, navy or marines Aux. We do things the AF way....

Seriously? 

I don't know if you are being sarcastic or not, but yes, the proper term for NCO's in the USAF is sir/ma'am. For chief its "yes chief/no chief or sir/ma'am". Some SMsgts want to be called "senior" but again, best option is sir/ma'am.

[a2capt]

I've got my doubts on the intention of this thread myself.

It seriously has a bit of troll-flavor to it, in that I suggest the original poster re-read their material.  The way I read it, the questions being asked, things at the very basic level that should have been answered at the unit, just are not there it this is solely what I am to base it on. Such as that, that I can't imagine a functioning unit lacking at this basic level.

[lordmonar]

If it is "universal politeness" how do you think sergeants feel when they are called sir/ma'am?

This former MSgt liked it just fine.  My TI at basic liked it just fine.

And if any NCO gives you a hard time about it....you send them to me and I will correct them.

[jimmydeanno]

It seems that these Marine Drill Instructors have no problem with it either: http://youtu.be/09-9tB6IMhQ

Note the direction given at 0:50, 1:35 and the responses that are used throughout the video. 

[Extremepredjudice]

Can I have a citation so I can say sir/ma'am and not get looked at funny?

Edit: this goes for CAP sergeants too, correct?

[lordmonar]

It is right next to the regulation that says you salute Medal of Honor winners.

[Extremepredjudice]

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A name of the reg would be nice.

[HGjunkie]

http://www.cadetstuff.org/archives/000405.html

It's the nonexistent regulation right next to the "By my command" regulation.

[Майор Хаткевич]

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A name of the reg would be nice.

Look it up?

[jimmydeanno]

EP, I think you're trying to read into this too much.  Customs and Courtesies fall within our core value of Respect.  If you think about that core value while interacting with people, no matter what you do, it will be courteous, polite, and respectful.

Sure, we can point to CAPP 151 and say that it says to call C/NCOs "Sergeant" and C/CMSgts "Chief."  I also agree that under normal circumstances most people who have read the 'rules' and have experience in the organization will end up doing this out of habit.  I also think that it is important that we try to teach people those customs as it is part of our culture.

However, for those who aren't in the know, people unfamiliar, or not as experienced, calling someone "sir" or "ma'am" with the intent of showing someone respect and courtesy should never be met with a reaction that is not of the same intent - because that would be contrary to the "courtesy" aspect of "customs & courtesies."

As a CAP cadet, the goal should be education, so a simple "you should call me Sergeant EP in the future" should suffice.  From my point of view, if someone didn't know what to call me, I certainly would not be offended if someone used the universal "sir" as a form of respect.

[Matt Moon]

LMAO all officers & warrant officers are refared to as ma`am sir / mister our by there rank  in every branch .  Air Force , Army , Marines, Navy , Coast Guard . enlisted are referd to by there rank .

[NCRblues]

LMAO all officers & warrant officers are refared to as ma`am sir / mister our by there rank  in every branch .  Air Force , Army , Marines, Navy , Coast Guard . enlisted are referd to by there rank .

Wrong, as an active duty AF NCO i was called sir by enlisted people under me, and my grade and name by those above me.

The AF calls NCO's sir... why is this hard to understand?

[Matt Moon]

 Same in every branch ,  Army, Marines, Air Force, Navy Coast Guard .  How are you today, Master Gunnery Sergeant,  How is it going Captain our Sir , Warrant Officer rank ma`am our sir '  same as officer . Every need`s to learn this" if they join the military there going to get corrected .

[Matt Moon]

You would never call a Lance Corporal sir our ma`am you call them by there rank i don`t need to look it up.

[SarDragon]

Mr Moon, may I ask what your direct military experience is?

[Extremepredjudice]

LMAO all officers & warrant officers are refared to as ma`am sir / mister our by there rank  in every branch .  Air Force , Army , Marines, Navy , Coast Guard . enlisted are referd to by there rank .

Wrong, as an active duty AF NCO i was called sir by enlisted people under me, and my grade and name by those above me.

The AF calls NCO's sir... why is this hard to understand?

I understand, sir!

But since we are the USAF aux. Shouldn't CAP NCOs be called sir, too?
If yes, can I have some proof other than "some guy on the interwebz told me."

Edit:turning into a bit of a furball/troll thread.

[Matt Moon]

I have never heard the air force call NCO sir .   E-1 Airman E-2 Airman E-3 Airman first class E-4 Senior Airman E-5 Staff Sergeant E-6 Technical Sergeant E-7 Master Sergeant & First Sergeant E-8 Senior master sergeant & First Sergeant . E-9 Chief Master Sergeant  - First Sergeant - Command Chief Master Sergeant  - Chief Master sergeant of the air force .  this how you address them there is no ma`am our sir .

[SarDragon]

LMAO all officers & warrant officers are refared to as ma`am sir / mister our by there rank  in every branch .  Air Force , Army , Marines, Navy , Coast Guard . enlisted are referd to by there rank .

Wrong, as an active duty AF NCO i was called sir by enlisted people under me, and my grade and name by those above me.

The AF calls NCO's sir... why is this hard to understand?

I understand, sir!

But since we are the USAF aux. Shouldn't CAP NCOs be called sir, too?

Maybe. Depends on your perspective.

If yes, can I have some proof other than "some guy on the interwebz told me."

Edit:turning into a bit of a furball/troll thread.

Probably not. Other than what it says in CAPP 151, I don't know of any hard and fast rules on this issue. It's partly a common sense issue, and we all know how common that really is.

[NCRblues]

LMAO all officers & warrant officers are refared to as ma`am sir / mister our by there rank  in every branch .  Air Force , Army , Marines, Navy , Coast Guard . enlisted are referd to by there rank .

Wrong, as an active duty AF NCO i was called sir by enlisted people under me, and my grade and name by those above me.

The AF calls NCO's sir... why is this hard to understand?

I understand, sir!

Edit:turning into a bit of a furball/troll thread.

But since we are the USAF aux. Shouldn't CAP NCOs be called sir, too?
If yes, can I have some proof other than "some guy on the interwebz told me."

I don't not believe they (cap) has a hard rule on the sir/ma'am title, BUT cadets should have no idea other than sir/ma'am of what to call NCO's.

If units allow cadet NCO's to demand to be called SGT "because I work for a living" (and i have heard that term used way to much in cap) than that is wrong because frankly, that's a hollywood movie line.

[jeders]

LMAO all officers & warrant officers are refared to as ma`am sir / mister our by there rank  in every branch .  Air Force , Army , Marines, Navy , Coast Guard . enlisted are referd to by there rank .

Wrong, as an active duty AF NCO i was called sir by enlisted people under me, and my grade and name by those above me.

The AF calls NCO's sir... why is this hard to understand?

I understand, sir!

But since we are the USAF aux. Shouldn't CAP NCOs be called sir, too?
If yes, can I have some proof other than "some guy on the interwebz told me."

Edit:turning into a bit of a furball/troll thread.

There is no reg that says to call NCOs as sir/ma'am in the AF as far as I know (correct me if I'm wrong former AF NCOs). And as jimmydeano said earlier, CAPP 151 has the proper terms of address for CAP. But sometimes in the real world, people due things which aren't specifically covered in a manual. These things that people do get carried over from one generation to the next organically. It's called tradition. If you make your cadets call you sir when you're an NCO, you're likely going to get a lot of blank stares and no support. In the AF it's just a commonplace thing that they do. Don't sweat it, and press on.