I think the BDU looks great with dark blue tapes!
http://imgur.com/yoxhS0H (http://imgur.com/yoxhS0H)
(Light silver looks white in photographs)
Wow, that's actually quite a difference.
Where did the tapes come from?
Looks good. I think all 3 utility uniforms will look markedly better with this change.
Quote from: Jester on June 17, 2016, 06:43:49 PM
Where did the tapes come from?
Looks good. I think all 3 utility uniforms will look markedly better with this change.
Picked them up on eBay. They match the Vanguard insignia perfectly.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Military-Name-Tapes-Custom-Design-Army-Paintball-Marine-Civil-Air-Patrol-Crafts-/291485563996?var=&hash=item43dde4bc5c:m:mUFBdntRQyQEIzV-K24dtzA (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Military-Name-Tapes-Custom-Design-Army-Paintball-Marine-Civil-Air-Patrol-Crafts-/291485563996?var=&hash=item43dde4bc5c:m:mUFBdntRQyQEIzV-K24dtzA)
Quote from: Jester on June 17, 2016, 06:43:49 PM
Where did the tapes come from?
Looks good. I think all 3 utility uniforms will look markedly better with this change.
Especially BBDUs.
Quote from: Damron on June 17, 2016, 06:47:25 PM
Quote from: Jester on June 17, 2016, 06:43:49 PM
Where did the tapes come from?
Looks good. I think all 3 utility uniforms will look markedly better with this change.
Picked them up on eBay. They match the Vanguard insignia perfectly.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Military-Name-Tapes-Custom-Design-Army-Paintball-Marine-Civil-Air-Patrol-Crafts-/291485563996?var=&hash=item43dde4bc5c:m:mUFBdntRQyQEIzV-K24dtzA (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Military-Name-Tapes-Custom-Design-Army-Paintball-Marine-Civil-Air-Patrol-Crafts-/291485563996?var=&hash=item43dde4bc5c:m:mUFBdntRQyQEIzV-K24dtzA)
QuoteNavy Blue:
[/size]White Thread, No Velcro
[/size]Not quite though.
Quote from: Капитан Хаткевич on June 17, 2016, 06:48:40 PM
Quote from: Damron on June 17, 2016, 06:47:25 PM
Quote from: Jester on June 17, 2016, 06:43:49 PM
Where did the tapes come from?
Looks good. I think all 3 utility uniforms will look markedly better with this change.
Picked them up on eBay. They match the Vanguard insignia perfectly.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Military-Name-Tapes-Custom-Design-Army-Paintball-Marine-Civil-Air-Patrol-Crafts-/291485563996?var=&hash=item43dde4bc5c:m:mUFBdntRQyQEIzV-K24dtzA (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Military-Name-Tapes-Custom-Design-Army-Paintball-Marine-Civil-Air-Patrol-Crafts-/291485563996?var=&hash=item43dde4bc5c:m:mUFBdntRQyQEIzV-K24dtzA)
QuoteNavy Blue:
[/size]White Thread, No Velcro
[/size]Not quite though.
They match perfectly. I requested light silver thread on navy blue tape from the seller and they were a perfect match to cloth rank insignia I ordered from Vanguard. If there wasn't a match, I wouldn't have used them.
Quote from: Damron on June 17, 2016, 06:52:50 PM
Quote from: Капитан Хаткевич on June 17, 2016, 06:48:40 PM
Quote from: Damron on June 17, 2016, 06:47:25 PM
Quote from: Jester on June 17, 2016, 06:43:49 PM
Where did the tapes come from?
Looks good. I think all 3 utility uniforms will look markedly better with this change.
Picked them up on eBay. They match the Vanguard insignia perfectly.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Military-Name-Tapes-Custom-Design-Army-Paintball-Marine-Civil-Air-Patrol-Crafts-/291485563996?var=&hash=item43dde4bc5c:m:mUFBdntRQyQEIzV-K24dtzA (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Military-Name-Tapes-Custom-Design-Army-Paintball-Marine-Civil-Air-Patrol-Crafts-/291485563996?var=&hash=item43dde4bc5c:m:mUFBdntRQyQEIzV-K24dtzA)
QuoteNavy Blue:
[/size]White Thread, No Velcro
[/size]Not quite though.
They match perfectly. I requested light silver thread on navy blue tape from the seller and they were a perfect match to cloth rank insignia I ordered from Vanguard. If there wasn't a match, I wouldn't have used them.
I'm sure it looks better in person. In the picture it looks like pure white thread on black tapes, at least on my screen.
Quote from: varitec on June 17, 2016, 07:00:18 PM
Quote from: Damron on June 17, 2016, 06:52:50 PM
Quote from: Капитан Хаткевич on June 17, 2016, 06:48:40 PM
Quote from: Damron on June 17, 2016, 06:47:25 PM
Quote from: Jester on June 17, 2016, 06:43:49 PM
Where did the tapes come from?
Looks good. I think all 3 utility uniforms will look markedly better with this change.
Picked them up on eBay. They match the Vanguard insignia perfectly.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Military-Name-Tapes-Custom-Design-Army-Paintball-Marine-Civil-Air-Patrol-Crafts-/291485563996?var=&hash=item43dde4bc5c:m:mUFBdntRQyQEIzV-K24dtzA (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Military-Name-Tapes-Custom-Design-Army-Paintball-Marine-Civil-Air-Patrol-Crafts-/291485563996?var=&hash=item43dde4bc5c:m:mUFBdntRQyQEIzV-K24dtzA)
QuoteNavy Blue:
White Thread, No Velcro
Not quite though.
They match perfectly. I requested light silver thread on navy blue tape from the seller and they were a perfect match to cloth rank insignia I ordered from Vanguard. If there wasn't a match, I wouldn't have used them.
I'm sure it looks better in person. In the picture it looks like pure white thread on black tapes, at least on my screen.
There's some BDU black right next to the CAP tape. Compare and you'll see that it's a dark blue. But on it's own, yea, dark blue looks...black.
I mentioned in another thread that nobody cared enough to describe "dark blue" in terms of RGB, CYMK, or Pantone references.
Navy Blue is a bit darker than Dark Blue in the W3C RGB standard. It will be interesting to see if Vanguard will have a Dark Blue or actually use their current Navy Blue.
That said, a few laundry cycles will have the Navy Blue lighten up a bit. A bit too dark is better than a bit too light on the BDU. The opposite is likely with the ABU. If there is a dramatic difference, I'll replace with Vanguard's tapes. Ten bucks wasted is not going to sink me.
I had some Navy blue tapes with light silver writing done up to see how they look by a different vendor... the color matches exactly to the CAP NCO stripes. I'll get you a picture of it later on the ABUS when I get home
The tapes are now available for sale by Vanguard. (no images yet)
https://www.vanguardmil.com/collections/cap-name-tapes-and-name-plates (https://www.vanguardmil.com/collections/cap-name-tapes-and-name-plates)
Is that silver or white thread? I didn't see silver offered by the eBay vendor you said you used.
Quote from: Ozzy on June 17, 2016, 07:55:54 PM
I had some Navy blue tapes with light silver writing done up to see how they look by a different vendor... the color matches exactly to the CAP NCO stripes. I'll get you a picture of it later on the ABUS when I get home
Are they fabric or webbed tapes?
Quote from: vento on June 17, 2016, 08:09:11 PM
The tapes are now available for sale by Vanguard. (no images yet)
https://www.vanguardmil.com/collections/cap-name-tapes-and-name-plates (https://www.vanguardmil.com/collections/cap-name-tapes-and-name-plates)
Apparently they went up on the 14th. Placed my order on the 15th, and it's still processing..which is to be expected.
Quote from: Jester on June 17, 2016, 08:24:16 PM
Quote from: Ozzy on June 17, 2016, 07:55:54 PM
I had some Navy blue tapes with light silver writing done up to see how they look by a different vendor... the color matches exactly to the CAP NCO stripes. I'll get you a picture of it later on the ABUS when I get home
Are they fabric or webbed tapes?
I did fabric strips. I liked them a lot better then the web strips
Quote from: Ozzy on June 17, 2016, 08:43:31 PM
Quote from: Jester on June 17, 2016, 08:24:16 PM
Quote from: Ozzy on June 17, 2016, 07:55:54 PM
I had some Navy blue tapes with light silver writing done up to see how they look by a different vendor... the color matches exactly to the CAP NCO stripes. I'll get you a picture of it later on the ABUS when I get home
Are they fabric or webbed tapes?
I did fabric strips. I liked them a lot better then the web strips
I keep forgetting, which hold up the color better?
Quote from: Капитан Хаткевич on June 17, 2016, 08:44:10 PM
I keep forgetting, which hold up the color better?
Fabric it is said.
Quote from: Eclipse on June 17, 2016, 08:11:24 PM
Is that silver or white thread? I didn't see silver offered by the eBay vendor you said you used.
I requested light silver thread from the eBay vendor. I'll try to take a better pic.
Quote from: Damron on June 17, 2016, 07:24:24 PM
I mentioned in another thread that nobody cared enough to describe "dark blue" in terms of RGB, CYMK, or Pantone references.
Navy Blue is a bit darker than Dark Blue in the W3C RGB standard. It will be interesting to see if Vanguard will have a Dark Blue or actually use their current Navy Blue.
That said, a few laundry cycles will have the Navy Blue lighten up a bit. A bit too dark is better than a bit too light on the BDU. The opposite is likely with the ABU. If there is a dramatic difference, I'll replace with Vanguard's tapes. Ten bucks wasted is not going to sink me.
The ABU memo indicates "dark blue" and so does Vanguard. Sorry, but the ones you got seem a wee bit too dark to me. That said, navy blue is a dark shade of blue, so you're within the regs apparently.
Quote from: Damron on June 17, 2016, 06:39:22 PM
I think the BDU looks great with dark blue tapes!
http://imgur.com/yoxhS0H (http://imgur.com/yoxhS0H)
(Light silver looks white in photographs)
Here's another pic, taken outside.
http://imgur.com/E0naIfq (http://imgur.com/E0naIfq)
Quote from: varitec on June 17, 2016, 09:05:16 PM
Quote from: Damron on June 17, 2016, 07:24:24 PM
I mentioned in another thread that nobody cared enough to describe "dark blue" in terms of RGB, CYMK, or Pantone references.
Navy Blue is a bit darker than Dark Blue in the W3C RGB standard. It will be interesting to see if Vanguard will have a Dark Blue or actually use their current Navy Blue.
That said, a few laundry cycles will have the Navy Blue lighten up a bit. A bit too dark is better than a bit too light on the BDU. The opposite is likely with the ABU. If there is a dramatic difference, I'll replace with Vanguard's tapes. Ten bucks wasted is not going to sink me.
The ABU memo indicates "dark blue" and so does Vanguard. Sorry, but the ones you got seem a wee bit too dark to me. That said, navy blue is a dark shade of blue, so you're within the regs apparently.
Check out my second photo, taken outside.
Quote from: Damron on June 17, 2016, 09:17:14 PM
Quote from: varitec on June 17, 2016, 09:05:16 PM
Quote from: Damron on June 17, 2016, 07:24:24 PM
I mentioned in another thread that nobody cared enough to describe "dark blue" in terms of RGB, CYMK, or Pantone references.
Navy Blue is a bit darker than Dark Blue in the W3C RGB standard. It will be interesting to see if Vanguard will have a Dark Blue or actually use their current Navy Blue.
That said, a few laundry cycles will have the Navy Blue lighten up a bit. A bit too dark is better than a bit too light on the BDU. The opposite is likely with the ABU. If there is a dramatic difference, I'll replace with Vanguard's tapes. Ten bucks wasted is not going to sink me.
The ABU memo indicates "dark blue" and so does Vanguard. Sorry, but the ones you got seem a wee bit too dark to me. That said, navy blue is a dark shade of blue, so you're within the regs apparently.
Check out my second photo, taken outside.
Wow big difference! Now they almost look too light... >:D
Some people you just can't please. :)
Quote from: varitec on June 17, 2016, 09:22:16 PM
Wow big difference! Now they almost look too light... >:D
I thought the same thing. Imagine something in between that looks fabulous.
For ease:
(http://i.imgur.com/yoxhS0H.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/E0naIfq.jpg)
Quote from: Капитан Хаткевич on June 17, 2016, 09:25:17 PM
For ease:
(http://i.imgur.com/yoxhS0H.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/E0naIfq.jpg)
Okay, I need to break out my DSLR. The iPhone isn't cutting it.
I applaud you on the good looking grade.
Quote from: Damron on June 17, 2016, 09:23:58 PM
Quote from: varitec on June 17, 2016, 09:22:16 PM
Wow big difference! Now they almost look too light... >:D
I thought the same thing. Imagine something in between that looks fabulous.
Anyway they're a helluva lot nicer looking than ultramarine blue.
Quote from: Damron on June 17, 2016, 06:39:22 PM
I think the BDU looks great with dark blue tapes!
http://imgur.com/yoxhS0H (http://imgur.com/yoxhS0H)
(Light silver looks white in photographs)
Still working on getting them sewn on. I'll be doing it this weekend.
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160617/73816dd1df5cc9daa813336e64b9765a.jpg)
Edit: The name tape is not as shiney as the picture lends itself to be. It's just the angle from the light I was trying to concentrate on the piece.
The silver still looks white.
Although I would have liked to retain the ultramarine, I must admit that Navy Blue looks very, very sharp on the BDU.
I think you nailed it when you decided to try the grade and other tapes on the BDU.
Quote from: Ozzy on June 17, 2016, 09:49:07 PM
Quote from: Damron on June 17, 2016, 06:39:22 PM
I think the BDU looks great with dark blue tapes!
http://imgur.com/yoxhS0H (http://imgur.com/yoxhS0H)
(Light silver looks white in photographs)
Still working on getting them sewn on. I'll be doing it this weekend.
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160617/73816dd1df5cc9daa813336e64b9765a.jpg)
Edit: The name tape is not as shiney as the picture lends itself to be. It's just the angle from the light I was trying to concentrate on the piece.
I got a function badge done through nametags4u that matched up pretty well to the NCO stripes. I'll wear BDUs until my SSGT appointment goes through in a few months so I only have to do alterations once.
Nametags4U are doing AF occupational badges in light silver on dark blue?
Edit: Nametags4U is selling Air Force badges in the new silver on dark blue. But at $7.50 each and $6.00 shipping for two of them, I'll pass for now.
I'm curious if the current Navy Blue cloth grade insignia currently sold by Vanguard for flight suits will be the same shade used for new insignia. I guessing it will be.
Given the range of shades of ultramarine blue we see in the ranks, I'm not sure that the difference between Navy Blue and any alternative will be significant. Lighter than "standard" will stick out on a BDU. Darker than "standard" will stick out on the ABU.
to answer your original comment (question)...
yes... they do look very good on the BDU. amazingly good actually.
the fact that they will be a perfect match for the BBDU is just an added bonus. wow, what an improvement...
Quote from: winterg on June 17, 2016, 10:16:11 PM
Nametags4U are doing AF occupational badges in light silver on dark blue?
Edit: Nametags4U is selling Air Force badges in the new silver on dark blue. But at $7.50 each and $6.00 shipping for two of them, I'll pass for now.
I bought an embroidered flight suit nametag at the same time. Helped cut down the shipping pain.
Quote from: varitec on June 17, 2016, 09:29:51 PM
Quote from: Damron on June 17, 2016, 09:23:58 PM
Quote from: varitec on June 17, 2016, 09:22:16 PM
Wow big difference! Now they almost look too light... >:D
I thought the same thing. Imagine something in between that looks fabulous.
Anyway they're a helluva lot nicer looking than ultramarine blue.
this change to the BDU uniform (and BBDU) should have been made years ago...
I'll be converting everything to dark blue - BDUs, black fleece...
Quote from: JC004 on June 20, 2016, 04:38:12 PM
I'll be converting everything to dark blue - BDUs, black fleece...
Same here. I just made a nice donation to CAP via the Big Vanguard.
So just trying to understand here... this is the new tapes authorized for the ABU on the BDU?
Quote from: Starfleet Auxiliary on June 20, 2016, 09:40:57 PM
So just trying to understand here... this is the new tapes authorized for the ABU on the BDU?
Yes, new tapes on BDU's. Looks like the OP got them made from a 3rd party.
In addition to approving the ABU, the memo dated 04MAY16 said that we are also transitioning to the dark tapes on the BBDU and BDU.
QuotePara. 3
CAP will also begin to transition to dark blue tapes on the Corporate field uniform and BDUs with a mandatory wear date of 15 June 2021.
Quote from: Капитан Хаткевич on June 17, 2016, 09:28:09 PM
I applaud you on the good looking grade.
It took three attempts with three different seamstresses to get it right.
Quote from: Damron on June 20, 2016, 10:00:19 PM
Quote from: Капитан Хаткевич on June 17, 2016, 09:28:09 PM
I applaud you on the good looking grade.
It took three attempts to find a seamstress that had the skills and comprehension skills to get it right.
I always encourage members to take a few minutes and learn how to use a home sewing machine. If you can pass Level I in CAP, you can sew in a straight line! It is a valuable skill. Sadly, if you Google how to sew name tapes on BDU's all you get is how to use iron on heat bond or stitch-witchery.
Also Sad, most squadrons have no members with the basic ability to sew on a name tape and some rank. And since CAP has not produced (that I have seen) a sewing guide you can print out and give to your neighborhood tailor shop, we end up with some rather interesting attempts.
It baffles me how some members turn up at a meeting with their patches/rank sewn all kiddywampus and thinking nothing off it. When you point it out to them, they only reply that this was how the tailor sewed it on. "But, didn't you check it against 39-1 to make sure it was correct?"
Quote from: winterg on June 20, 2016, 10:08:53 PM
Quote from: Damron on June 20, 2016, 10:00:19 PM
Quote from: Капитан Хаткевич on June 17, 2016, 09:28:09 PM
I applaud you on the good looking grade.
It took three attempts to find a seamstress that had the skills and comprehension skills to get it right.
I always encourage members to take a few minutes and learn how to use a home sewing machine. If you can pass Level I in CAP, you can sew in a straight line! It is a valuable skill. Sadly, if you Google how to sew name tapes on BDU's all you get is how to use iron on heat bond or stitch-witchery.
Also Sad, most squadrons have no members with the basic ability to sew on a name tape and some rank. And since CAP has not produced (that I have seen) a sewing guide you can print out and give to your neighborhood tailor shop, we end up with some rather interesting attempts.
It baffles me how some members turn up at a meeting with their patches/rank sewn all kiddywampus and thinking nothing off it. When you point it out to them, they only reply that this was how the tailor sewed it on. "But, didn't you check it against 39-1 to make sure it was correct?"
I'm not too bad with a sewing machine. I'm just a perfectionist.
Years ago, bored as hell, I was visiting my mom and discovered her sewing machine in a closet. Over the course of a couple of months, I made a few garments from patterns. Results weren't bad. That said, it made me respect the skills of an expert.
I found a pro that is cheap with amazing skills. She had experience with military uniforms and the 39-1 illustrations were enough for her. I have better things to do with my free time.
With it all sewn on in daylight. It took me a few tries for the NCO stripes... luckily the next ones will be easier
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160620/7ebf4e9ffb97c43cf8e3a475190de031.jpg)
Quote from: Ozzy on June 20, 2016, 10:29:27 PM
With it all sewn on in daylight. It took me a few tries for the NCO stripes... luckily the next ones will be easier
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160620/7ebf4e9ffb97c43cf8e3a475190de031.jpg)
Trick of the light or are they slightly different shades? Stripes look darker.
yes, there does appear to be a slight difference in the shade of the dark blue (it being darker on the stripes)...
however, in terms of all the colors that we could be wearing, this is an amazingly good choice. I don't know about anyone else for sure... but I reckon most everyone will agree.
if all we have to worry about is a very sight shade of difference in the dark blue (that most people wont even notice except when in bright sunlight)... then I am more than okay with it.
Again, it seems like the camera decided to make the tape look lighter then the stripes. It's a lot less pronounced in person.
So /nitpick, shouldn't the stripes be silver too?
Those background colors might be "close", but the clearly don't match.
In this photo they are so bright they look Photoshopped.
Quote from: Ozzy on June 20, 2016, 10:29:27 PM
With it all sewn on in daylight. It took me a few tries for the NCO stripes... luckily the next ones will be easier
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160620/7ebf4e9ffb97c43cf8e3a475190de031.jpg)
That looks really good despite the slight shade difference. I can't wait to get my uniform put together. All I need are the patches.
Early on in my CAP career, my mom sat my young butt down at the sewing machine, and taught me how to sew on my own crap. I have done all my own CAP sewing since then.
Quote from: SarDragon on June 21, 2016, 03:07:00 AM
Early on in my CAP career, my mom sat my young butt down at the sewing machine, and taught me how to sew on my own crap. I have done all my own CAP sewing since then.
My mom didn't even wait for me to get into CAP. I was in Cub Scouts when she taught me how sew.
I can sew, but mainly just as a stopgap until I can get somebody competent to do it...
I'd rather work than sew. My time is scarce, so I'm money ahead by paying somebody else to do my sewing. In my case, that somebody else is a very skilled seamstress. If you have more time than money or available work, get sewing. My seamstress sewed 16 items on two shirts and two hats and charged me $23.
I usually take it to the alterations shop at my base, because I'm not a stickler for quality. >:D
Quote from: Damron on June 21, 2016, 05:17:23 AM
I'd rather work than sew. My time is scarce, so I'm money ahead by paying somebody else to do my sewing. In my case, that somebody else is a very skilled seamstress. If you have more time than money or available work, get sewing. My seamstress sewed 16 items on two shirts and two hats and charged me $23.
Can't beat that.
That's great. But when the average cost is closer to $5 per item sewn onto a bdu shirt, it adds up fast.
Transmitted via my R5 astromech.
Quote from: winterg on June 21, 2016, 02:29:17 PM
That's great. But when the average cost is closer to $5 per item sewn onto a bdu shirt, it adds up fast.
I told her she had to charge more and tipped her $10.
My local seamstress does things I can't easily do (wing patches, back when they went on the service coat). She has 39-1, and we send cadets & seniors to her all the time.
One of my seniors came in a couple months back with his railroad tracks on his field jacket 90 degrees out.. he knew it was wrong, but he had to wear it to watch my reaction.
MFW:
(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/010/997/35s7cv.jpg)
He claimed to have "his own seamstress." The grade on his BDUs had also been sewn on "Navy" style.
"You need a new seamstress, man."
I had a member last year take his uniform to the alterations shop at Macdil AFB. He got it back and the squadron patch wasn't even close to being centered!
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Quote from: winterg on June 21, 2016, 07:04:06 PMI had a member last year take his uniform to the alterations shop at Macdil AFB. He got it back and the squadron patch wasn't even close to being centered!
The alterations shop at FE Warren thought I was a time traveler for bringing in BDUs.
Quote from: raivo on June 21, 2016, 10:05:15 PM
Quote from: winterg on June 21, 2016, 07:04:06 PMI had a member last year take his uniform to the alterations shop at Macdil AFB. He got it back and the squadron patch wasn't even close to being centered!
The alterations shop at FE Warren thought I was a time traveler for bringing in BDUs.
Unlikely they would see too many Navy or Marine folks. :)
FE actually does have some Navy personnel assigned there.
I don't know what they do - I asked a couple of them once, and they didn't seem to know either.
Quote from: raivo on June 21, 2016, 10:05:15 PM
Quote from: winterg on June 21, 2016, 07:04:06 PMI had a member last year take his uniform to the alterations shop at Macdil AFB. He got it back and the squadron patch wasn't even close to being centered!
The alterations shop at FE Warren thought I was a time traveler for bringing in BDUs.
Really, when was this? I've been taking mine there for the past 4+ years.
Quote from: Damron on June 22, 2016, 04:36:49 AM
Quote from: raivo on June 21, 2016, 10:05:15 PM
Quote from: winterg on June 21, 2016, 07:04:06 PMI had a member last year take his uniform to the alterations shop at Macdil AFB. He got it back and the squadron patch wasn't even close to being centered!
The alterations shop at FE Warren thought I was a time traveler for bringing in BDUs.
Unlikely they would see too many Navy or Marine folks. :)
Uhh....The Navy and Marines don't wear BDUs either. Since before the Army and AF.
Actually I think you'll find that Seabees and some other some other specialized Navy units still have woodland BDUs in thier seabags.
Quote from: MHC5096 on June 22, 2016, 04:58:02 PM
Actually I think you'll find that Seabees and some other some other specialized Navy units still have woodland BDUs in thier seabags.
Yep, see them occasionally, there are also some units in Hawaii, I think, or other Pacific islands that
were pulling woodland out of ROTC units last year because the woodland is more effective in jungle climates.
Was for the rebooted jungle school. 25k BDU sets IIRC for the Army.
Of course the Seabees were among the last holdouts to wear the OD green utility uniform too. :)
Quote from: Капитан Хаткевич on June 22, 2016, 05:45:32 PM
Was for the rebooted jungle school. 25k BDU sets IIRC for the Army.
Ah! Bach. Good memory.
Actually, Seabees, stop using BDUs about 2-3 years ago and now they are using the Navy utility amphibious Uniform. The only unit still using BDU's to work is the Marine Special Operation Command (Raiders BN) and during garrison they use regular Marine MarPat.
For me I would prefer the CAP to stay on Corporate Utility Uniform. However Big Blue said No so... more money down the drain buying uniforms. Personal choice to use AF regs. Stay motivated. Semper....
Quote from: LATORRECA on June 22, 2016, 07:40:47 PM
Actually, Seabees, stop using BDUs about 2-3 years ago and now they are using the Navy utility amphibious Uniform. The only unit still using BDU's to work is the Marine Special Operation Command (Raiders BN) and during garrison they use regular Marine MarPat.
For me I would prefer the CAP to stay on Corporate Utility Uniform. However Big Blue said No so... more money down the drain buying uniforms. Personal choice to use AF regs. Stay motivated. Semper....
While MARSOC wears M81 patterned utilities they are not the same ole BDUs. They are a bit fancier than that.
Quote from: stillamarine on June 22, 2016, 08:05:12 PM
Quote from: LATORRECA on June 22, 2016, 07:40:47 PM
Actually, Seabees, stop using BDUs about 2-3 years ago and now they are using the Navy utility amphibious Uniform. The only unit still using BDU's to work is the Marine Special Operation Command (Raiders BN) and during garrison they use regular Marine MarPat.
For me I would prefer the CAP to stay on Corporate Utility Uniform. However Big Blue said No so... more money down the drain buying uniforms. Personal choice to use AF regs. Stay motivated. Semper....
While MARSOC wears M81 patterned utilities they are not the same ole BDUs. They are a bit fancier than that.
Any Tricolor woodland pattern looks like BDU to me, I Have see them very up close.
Quote from: RogueLeader on June 22, 2016, 02:03:58 PMReally, when was this? I've been taking mine there for the past 4+ years.
Aboot three years ago. I exaggerate, but they were a little surprised.
Quote from: Eclipse on June 21, 2016, 12:47:34 AM
So /nitpick, shouldn't the stripes be silver too?
Those background colors might be "close", but the clearly don't match.
In this photo they are so bright they look Photoshopped.
In theory, but don't shake this tree, Bob. These insignia are expensive to produce, and they would be expensive for CAP to buy back from Vanguard in the even of a change. That money takes away from money we can use for perfectly good programs - not lining Vanguard's pockets more.
Quote from: LATORRECA on June 22, 2016, 07:40:47 PM
For me I would prefer the CAP to stay on Corporate Utility Uniform. However Big Blue said No so... more money down the drain buying uniforms. Personal choice to use AF regs. Stay motivated. Semper....
Sorry, I am tired, and most likely mis-reading this, but are they getting rid of the Corporate Uniform down the road?
Quote from: grunt82abn on June 25, 2016, 02:20:03 PM
Quote from: LATORRECA on June 22, 2016, 07:40:47 PM
For me I would prefer the CAP to stay on Corporate Utility Uniform. However Big Blue said No so... more money down the drain buying uniforms. Personal choice to use AF regs. Stay motivated. Semper....
Sorry, I am tired, and most likely mis-reading this, but are they getting rid of the Corporate Uniform down the road?
No, there are no plans to ever do away with the corporate field uniform.
Sorry, I am tired, and most likely mis-reading this, but are they getting rid of the Corporate Uniform down the road?
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No, there are no plans to ever do away with the corporate field uniform.
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Thank you for clarifying!!! These 72 hours shifts beat the brain up
Quote from: stillamarine on June 22, 2016, 04:21:32 PM
Quote from: Damron on June 22, 2016, 04:36:49 AM
Quote from: raivo on June 21, 2016, 10:05:15 PM
Quote from: winterg on June 21, 2016, 07:04:06 PMI had a member last year take his uniform to the alterations shop at Macdil AFB. He got it back and the squadron patch wasn't even close to being centered!
The alterations shop at FE Warren thought I was a time traveler for bringing in BDUs.
Unlikely they would see too many Navy or Marine folks. :)
Uhh....The Navy and Marines don't wear BDUs either. Since before the Army and AF.
A couple of Navy and Marine units are wearing BDU's, including BUDS school and deployed SEALs when desired.
Quote from: Damron on June 25, 2016, 10:17:18 PM
Quote from: stillamarine on June 22, 2016, 04:21:32 PM
Quote from: Damron on June 22, 2016, 04:36:49 AM
Quote from: raivo on June 21, 2016, 10:05:15 PM
Quote from: winterg on June 21, 2016, 07:04:06 PMI had a member last year take his uniform to the alterations shop at Macdil AFB. He got it back and the squadron patch wasn't even close to being centered!
The alterations shop at FE Warren thought I was a time traveler for bringing in BDUs.
Unlikely they would see too many Navy or Marine folks. :)
Uhh....The Navy and Marines don't wear BDUs either. Since before the Army and AF.
A couple of Navy and Marine units are wearing BDU's, including BUDS school and deployed SEALs when desired.
While yes NSW and MARSOC wear M81 patterened cammies they aren't the same BDUs we are talking about. They are wearing stuff madeby Crye and other high end manufacturers. The point is it's not something you see on a regular basis and dang near never seen in garrison.
Quote from: stillamarine on June 26, 2016, 03:05:00 PM
Quote from: Damron on June 25, 2016, 10:17:18 PM
Quote from: stillamarine on June 22, 2016, 04:21:32 PM
Quote from: Damron on June 22, 2016, 04:36:49 AM
Quote from: raivo on June 21, 2016, 10:05:15 PM
Quote from: winterg on June 21, 2016, 07:04:06 PMI had a member last year take his uniform to the alterations shop at Macdil AFB. He got it back and the squadron patch wasn't even close to being centered!
The alterations shop at FE Warren thought I was a time traveler for bringing in BDUs.
Unlikely they would see too many Navy or Marine folks. :)
Uhh....The Navy and Marines don't wear BDUs either. Since before the Army and AF.
A couple of Navy and Marine units are wearing BDU's, including BUDS school and deployed SEALs when desired.
While yes NSW and MARSOC wear M81 patterened cammies they aren't the same BDUs we are talking about. They are wearing stuff madeby Crye and other high end manufacturers. The point is it's not something you see on a regular basis and dang near never seen in garrison.
The Pre-BUDS just wear plain old BDU's. I see them on a daily basis on NavSta Great Lakes, and I can attest that they are not the high end M81's.
But again. That's a very very very small number. So saying that Navy and Marines wear BDUs is inaccurate. Even AFSOC wears M81 at times so let's just say the AF wears BDUs.
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Granted, very small number, but just wanted to put it out there that I still see them in use by a regular Navy unit, even though they are all trainees.
Quote from: stillamarine on June 26, 2016, 11:32:05 PM
So saying that Navy and Marines wear BDUs is inaccurate.
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The classic woodland BDU is currently worn in BUD/S training and by deployed SEAL's. So, it's accurate to say that the Navy is still wearing BDU's.
As far as the Marines (MARSOC), some are wearing an M-81 patterned uniform made by Crye Precision, others aren't happy with the durability of the Crye version and have returned to the classic BDU. Both are called BDU's by Marines and the Crye would certainly be acceptable for CAP use. So, the Marines are wearing BDU's, classic and slight variation.
And, while I'm editing, BDU's are worn at the JOTC school, so the Army is still wearing BDU's.
Are you willing to split the same hairs in CAP? For all the CAP members that aren't wearing mil-spec BDU's, are you ready to claim that they aren't BDU's? After all, we allow a wide range of fabrics and small variations in cut seen from different manufacturers. Be consistent.
Army photo dated July 2015:
(http://www.armymagazine.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/THOM3.jpg)
http://www.armymagazine.org/2015/07/15/having-fewer-boots-in-the-creek-aids-jungle-school/ (http://www.armymagazine.org/2015/07/15/having-fewer-boots-in-the-creek-aids-jungle-school/)
Isn't this about enough of the urinating competition? Is it serving any useful purpose at all? No one is apparently going to change their minds over this, so let's just move on.
The intensity of an argument is often inversely proportional to the stakes.
Quote from: Damron on June 27, 2016, 04:04:09 AM
Quote from: stillamarine on June 26, 2016, 11:32:05 PM
So saying that Navy and Marines wear BDUs is inaccurate.
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The classic woodland BDU is currently worn in BUD/S training and by deployed SEAL's. So, it's accurate to say that the Navy is still wearing BDU's.
As far as the Marines (MARSOC), some are wearing an M-81 patterned uniform made by Crye Precision, others aren't happy with the durability of the Crye version and have returned to the classic BDU. Both are called BDU's by Marines and the Crye would certainly be acceptable for CAP use. So, the Marines are wearing BDU's, classic and slight variation.
And, while I'm editing, BDU's are worn at the JOTC school, so the Army is still wearing BDU's.
Are you willing to split the same hairs in CAP? For all the CAP members that aren't wearing mil-spec BDU's, are you ready to claim that they aren't BDU's? After all, we allow a wide range of fabrics and small variations in cut seen from different manufacturers. Be consistent.
The point was that it is a small number. Not enough to say the particular service is wearing them. It is a small percentage. If we want to split hairs then the correct phraseology would be that ALL the services are still wearing BDUs (Which no Marine calls them BDUs anyways).
Quote from: stillamarine on June 27, 2016, 02:16:59 PM
Quote from: Damron on June 27, 2016, 04:04:09 AM
Quote from: stillamarine on June 26, 2016, 11:32:05 PM
So saying that Navy and Marines wear BDUs is inaccurate.
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The classic woodland BDU is currently worn in BUD/S training and by deployed SEAL's. So, it's accurate to say that the Navy is still wearing BDU's.
As far as the Marines (MARSOC), some are wearing an M-81 patterned uniform made by Crye Precision, others aren't happy with the durability of the Crye version and have returned to the classic BDU. Both are called BDU's by Marines and the Crye would certainly be acceptable for CAP use. So, the Marines are wearing BDU's, classic and slight variation.
And, while I'm editing, BDU's are worn at the JOTC school, so the Army is still wearing BDU's.
Are you willing to split the same hairs in CAP? For all the CAP members that aren't wearing mil-spec BDU's, are you ready to claim that they aren't BDU's? After all, we allow a wide range of fabrics and small variations in cut seen from different manufacturers. Be consistent.
The point was that it is a small number. Not enough to say the particular service is wearing them. It is a small percentage. If we want to split hairs then the correct phraseology would be that ALL the services are still wearing BDUs (Which no Marine calls them BDUs anyways).
Given the variety of "utilities" that Marines are wearing, guess what Marines are calling their woodland camo utilities to differentiate them from other utilities?
Quote from: Damron on June 27, 2016, 03:37:40 PM
Quote from: stillamarine on June 27, 2016, 02:16:59 PM
Quote from: Damron on June 27, 2016, 04:04:09 AM
Quote from: stillamarine on June 26, 2016, 11:32:05 PM
So saying that Navy and Marines wear BDUs is inaccurate.
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The classic woodland BDU is currently worn in BUD/S training and by deployed SEAL's. So, it's accurate to say that the Navy is still wearing BDU's.
As far as the Marines (MARSOC), some are wearing an M-81 patterned uniform made by Crye Precision, others aren't happy with the durability of the Crye version and have returned to the classic BDU. Both are called BDU's by Marines and the Crye would certainly be acceptable for CAP use. So, the Marines are wearing BDU's, classic and slight variation.
And, while I'm editing, BDU's are worn at the JOTC school, so the Army is still wearing BDU's.
Are you willing to split the same hairs in CAP? For all the CAP members that aren't wearing mil-spec BDU's, are you ready to claim that they aren't BDU's? After all, we allow a wide range of fabrics and small variations in cut seen from different manufacturers. Be consistent.
The point was that it is a small number. Not enough to say the particular service is wearing them. It is a small percentage. If we want to split hairs then the correct phraseology would be that ALL the services are still wearing BDUs (Which no Marine calls them BDUs anyways).
Given the variety of "utilities" that Marines are wearing, guess what Marines are calling their woodland camo utilities to differentiate them from other utilities?
According to two old shipmates (One CWO4 and one GySgt) that are still serving I just text and asked? Old Cammies. Literally lol. Actually one's words were "Who the hell calls anything BDU anymore? We've never done it."
The word "anymore" usually is used to mean "while we may have called that stuff XYZ, we do not do it now."
So IF you were told "Who the hell calls them anymore XYZ?" it means usually they were calling it/them XYZ. Otherwise he/she would have said "Who the hell calls them XYZ?"
He was referring to doggies and flyboys. We jarheads don't call them BDUs, and while utilities is said often the term mainly utilized by said jarheads is cammies. Don't matter what kind it is. If it's camouflaged we call them cammies.
Quote from: stillamarine on June 27, 2016, 05:31:28 PM
He was referring to doggies and flyboys. We jarheads don't call them BDUs, and while utilities is said often the term mainly utilized by said jarheads is cammies. Don't matter what kind it is. If it's camouflaged we call them cammies.
Yeah, sounds about right. On a related note, all it takes is one person to impact the vocabulary of a platoon.
Quote from: stillamarine on June 27, 2016, 05:31:28 PM
He was referring to doggies and flyboys. We jarheads don't call them BDUs, and while utilities is said often the term mainly utilized by said jarheads is cammies. Don't matter what kind it is. If it's camouflaged we call them cammies.
I'm a AD Marine, however knowing this audience, I will call the tricolors cammies and refer to them as BDUs because that's how most of the people on this blog knows them as. Come on Guns you know better.
MSgt L.
Quote from: stillamarine on June 27, 2016, 05:31:28 PM
He was referring to doggies and flyboys. We jarheads don't call them BDUs, and while utilities is said often the term mainly utilized by said jarheads is cammies. Don't matter what kind it is. If it's camouflaged we call them cammies.
I haven't heard the Army called doggies in a very long time!!! Kinda missed being called that
Quote from: supertigerCH on June 20, 2016, 11:18:15 PM
yes, there does appear to be a slight difference in the shade of the dark blue (it being darker on the stripes)...
however, in terms of all the colors that we could be wearing, this is an amazingly good choice. I don't know about anyone else for sure... but I reckon most everyone will agree.
if all we have to worry about is a very sight shade of difference in the dark blue (that most people wont even notice except when in bright sunlight)... then I am more than okay with it.
So I received my Vanguard order. The tapes are lighter then the stripes, but again, not noticeable unless they right next to each other. The light silver is darker then expected. The name tags are slightly different, CAP tapes seem to be normal font while the name tapes seem to be bold. Finally, the color Vanguard calls these are... (http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160630/8dcc7d78d1982766cba96e963692d8e0.jpg)
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160630/13892beb4ce7f630faaad8e6c19fda95.jpg)
At least the names are not the super tall, skinny, whole-tape encompassing size of the past. Been worried about that.
As a cadet, the sole reason I ordered from the Hock Shop, actually.
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I received a large part of my order yesterday, and had previously received this email from Vanguard, even though I specified that the whole order be shipped when complete:
QuoteDear customer,
Thank you for your online order. The item listed below is currently on backorder.
ITEM: CAP6010 CAP SENIOR LT COLONEL EMB ON AF BLUE
ITEM: CAP6305 CAP GORTEX JACKET TAB OFFICER LTCOL EMB ON AF BLUE
We are expecting them to arrive mid July.
We will keep this item on order for you, but please let us know if you would prefer to cancel.
Thank you for your purchase and we apologize for any inconvenience this may cause you.
VANGUARD INDUSTRIES
Internet Department
WWW.VANGUARDMIL.COM (http://www.vanguardmil.com)
Like Ozzy, I'm wondering about the 'AF BLUE' statement. I wonder if this navy/midnight/dark/whatever blue color they are using is AF Shade 1620.
Also, the embroidered command insignia, like the ones in ultramarine, are absolute crap whereas the embroidered Master Ground Team insignia look great. ::)
I think they look good. Obviously not folded.
(http://i1073.photobucket.com/albums/w393/Spaatz1168Toad1168/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsucrltlcy.jpeg) (http://s1073.photobucket.com/user/Spaatz1168Toad1168/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsucrltlcy.jpeg.html)
Quote from: LTC Don on June 30, 2016, 02:01:09 PM
I received a large part of my order yesterday, and had previously received this email from Vanguard, even though I specified that the whole order be shipped when complete:
QuoteDear customer,
Thank you for your online order. The item listed below is currently on backorder.
ITEM: CAP6010 CAP SENIOR LT COLONEL EMB ON AF BLUE
ITEM: CAP6305 CAP GORTEX JACKET TAB OFFICER LTCOL EMB ON AF BLUE
We are expecting them to arrive mid July.
We will keep this item on order for you, but please let us know if you would prefer to cancel.
Thank you for your purchase and we apologize for any inconvenience this may cause you.
VANGUARD INDUSTRIES
Internet Department
WWW.VANGUARDMIL.COM (http://www.vanguardmil.com)
Like Ozzy, I'm wondering about the 'AF BLUE' statement. I wonder if this navy/midnight/dark/whatever blue color they are using is AF Shade 1620.
Also, the embroidered command insignia, like the ones in ultramarine, are absolute crap whereas the embroidered Master Ground Team insignia look great. ::)
Same items I'm not getting delivered today >:(
Quote from: Ozzy on June 30, 2016, 01:47:22 PM
Quote from: supertigerCH on June 20, 2016, 11:18:15 PM
yes, there does appear to be a slight difference in the shade of the dark blue (it being darker on the stripes)...
however, in terms of all the colors that we could be wearing, this is an amazingly good choice. I don't know about anyone else for sure... but I reckon most everyone will agree.
if all we have to worry about is a very sight shade of difference in the dark blue (that most people wont even notice except when in bright sunlight)... then I am more than okay with it.
So I received my Vanguard order. The tapes are lighter then the stripes, but again, not noticeable unless they right next to each other. The light silver is darker then expected. The name tags are slightly different, CAP tapes seem to be normal font while the name tapes seem to be bold. Finally, the color Vanguard calls these are... (http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160630/8dcc7d78d1982766cba96e963692d8e0.jpg)
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160630/13892beb4ce7f630faaad8e6c19fda95.jpg)
Per Vanguard: The proper color name is AF blue, but they (NHQ) want it to say dark blue, and we (Vanguard) don't want to confuse USAF personnel.
During my recent phone conversation with the person who is personally adding our new insignia to the website. They also only have one photographer, by the way.
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STUFF LOOKS FREAKING GREAT!
(https://i.imgur.com/VXuoGFG.jpg)
That said, they shorted me one set of Major Insignia...gonna leave one Major at the unit sad. :/
But maybe one of you fine folks got an extra Major, and were shorted a Ground Team Badge and some Pilot wings? This came in extra:
(https://i.imgur.com/axuW4iP.jpg)
Doh
I know everyone is more interested to see what they look like on the BBDU instead of the ABU. Even if you won't admit it!
(https://c3.staticflickr.com/8/7372/27727788650_4fa2472bc5_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Jfdaxy)
Maybe I'll just get some dark blue fabric paint or a dark blue Sharpie and color my current insignia. Looks like there's gonna be about eleventy different shades for the different badges and insignia anyway...
Quote from: winterg on June 30, 2016, 11:20:31 PM
I know everyone is more interested to see what they look like on the BBDU instead of the ABU. Even if you won't admit it!
(https://c3.staticflickr.com/8/7372/27727788650_4fa2472bc5_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Jfdaxy)
Love it! Thanks, Guite!
Quote from: winterg on June 30, 2016, 11:20:31 PM
I know everyone is more interested to see what they look like on the BBDU instead of the ABU. Even if you won't admit it!
(https://c3.staticflickr.com/8/7372/27727788650_4fa2472bc5_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Jfdaxy)
I realize there's no logical answer here, but anyone who'd like to take a stab can explain to me how this is
"distinctive" enough to pass muster against the Coasties.
(http://www.piersystem.com/clients/c780/384579.png)
NOAA Corps even closer:
(http://en.academic.ru/pictures/enwiki/79/ODU1.JPG)
It isn't. That was my thought as well.
Transmitted via my R5 astromech.
I say we tilt the grade insignia 45° and add "U.S." to the name tapes. >:D
I can only see very subtle differences. One, the Navy/CG Lt insignia is different from the AF/Army/USMC Captain in placement of the cross members. Second, the lettering is different, which makes no real difference to anyone but me since I am OCD about this stuff. Thirdly would be the placement of the Lt insignia on the CG uniform.
Like I said, only REALLY noticeable by me.
Quote from: Eclipse on June 30, 2016, 11:47:18 PM
I realize there's no logical answer here, but anyone who'd like to take a stab can explain to me how this is
"distinctive" enough to pass muster against the Coasties.
I thought we only need to be distinctive from the USAF uniforms, who cares about the coasties... >:D :angel:
Quote from: vento on July 01, 2016, 12:02:11 AM
Quote from: Eclipse on June 30, 2016, 11:47:18 PM
I realize there's no logical answer here, but anyone who'd like to take a stab can explain to me how this is
"distinctive" enough to pass muster against the Coasties.
I thought we only need to be distinctive from the USAF uniforms, who cares about the coasties... >:D :angel:
Good point.
At least we know this is officially a pen pocket as we've been saying...
http://www.uscg.mil/uniforms/docs/odu-update-2008-11-12-web/odu08-update-2008-11-12-web/longsleeve/cu-penpocket.asp (http://www.uscg.mil/uniforms/docs/odu-update-2008-11-12-web/odu08-update-2008-11-12-web/longsleeve/cu-penpocket.asp)
(http://www.uscg.mil/uniforms/docs/odu-update-2008-11-12-web/odu08-update-2008-11-12-web/longsleeve/images/cu-penpocket-226e.jpg)
Now - pop quiz...
Q: How do you know, in low light, these are >not< CAP people?
(http://cheungstailor.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/united-States-coast-guard-alterations-tailor-in-Minnesota.jpg)
A: They are all dressed the same.
Quote from: Eclipse on July 01, 2016, 12:27:34 AM
Now - pop quiz...
Q: How do you know, in low light, these are >not< CAP people?
(http://cheungstailor.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/united-States-coast-guard-alterations-tailor-in-Minnesota.jpg)
A: They are all dressed the same.
Because they all look like they could pass a PT test? 3:)
I was a conference last month where one of the presenters was a NOAA Corps LTJG wearing the blue working uniform. I was sitting some distance away, on the opposite of the room, and until he was introduced, I thought he was from CAP. Here's the NOAA Corps device:
(http://www.noaacorps.noaa.gov/art/insig/insig2.jpg)
Mike
Quote from: winterg on June 30, 2016, 11:20:31 PM
I know everyone is more interested to see what they look like on the BBDU instead of the ABU. Even if you won't admit it!
(https://c3.staticflickr.com/8/7372/27727788650_4fa2472bc5_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Jfdaxy)
Well [mess]. I'm gonna get some BBDU's too now....
Quote from: winterg on June 30, 2016, 11:20:31 PM
I know everyone is more interested to see what they look like on the BBDU instead of the ABU. Even if you won't admit it!
(https://c3.staticflickr.com/8/7372/27727788650_4fa2472bc5_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Jfdaxy)
NOOOOOOOOO! I was going to post on Saturday.
:(
>:D
After these last three or four posts, I wonder if this is what they meant when we were told we were part of the total force?
Probably this is what they meant...
>:D
Quote from: Luis R. Ramos on July 01, 2016, 01:18:42 AM
>:D
After these last three or four posts, I wonder if this is what they meant when we were told we were part of the total force?
Probably this is what they meant...
>:D
Surprise! If you're not in ABUs by 2021, your membership automatically transfers to USCG Aux! >:D
105862 June 15 finally shipped.
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Quote from: Капитан Хаткевич on July 01, 2016, 01:19:48 AM
Quote from: Luis R. Ramos on July 01, 2016, 01:18:42 AM
>:D
After these last three or four posts, I wonder if this is what they meant when we were told we were part of the total force?
Probably this is what they meant...
>:D
Surprise! If you're not in ABUs by 2021, your membership automatically transfers to USCG Aux! >:D
I'm also starting to think everybody is a captain with GTM 2
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Quote from: Капитан Хаткевич on July 01, 2016, 01:19:48 AM
Quote from: Luis R. Ramos on July 01, 2016, 01:18:42 AM
>:D
After these last three or four posts, I wonder if this is what they meant when we were told we were part of the total force?
Probably this is what they meant...
>:D
Surprise! If you're not in ABUs by 2021, your membership automatically transfers to USCG Aux! >:D
You actually look better than Coast Guard ODUs. The fact they don't have lower pockets makes it look like everybody just didn't finish dressing.
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Quote from: Damron on June 21, 2016, 05:17:23 AM
I'd rather work than sew. My time is scarce, so I'm money ahead by paying somebody else to do my sewing. In my case, that somebody else is a very skilled seamstress. If you have more time than money or available work, get sewing. My seamstress sewed 16 items on two shirts and two hats and charged me $23.
That's a very good price. The cheapest I could find was $2 per patch.
Now, I probably missed it somewhere, but does anyone have a link to the reference that allows these new tapes on BDUs?
Been out a while, but still have BDUs in good condition (and some that have never had anything sewn on them), and would be happy to sew on the new tapes. They certainly look better than ultramarine.
Thanks in advance.
Quote from: Hawk200 on July 26, 2016, 07:23:53 PM
Now, I probably missed it somewhere, but does anyone have a link to the reference that allows these new tapes on BDUs?
Been out a while, but still have BDUs in good condition (and some that have never had anything sewn on them), and would be happy to sew on the new tapes. They certainly look better than ultramarine.
Thanks in advance.
Took some work to find it, but here it is: http://www.capmembers.com/media/cms/CAP_Transition_to_ABUs_06DC64FB17483.pdf (http://www.capmembers.com/media/cms/CAP_Transition_to_ABUs_06DC64FB17483.pdf)
Enjoy!
Have we got to the point where someone can make a strong recommendation for AF occupational and aviation badges in the new style? Vanguard doesn't make them.
Quote from: GaryVC on July 26, 2016, 11:02:22 PM
Have we got to the point where someone can make a strong recommendation for AF occupational and aviation badges in the new style? Vanguard doesn't make them.
You are correct, Vanguard doesn't make them. They didn't make them in Ultramarine either. They likely won't make them because the volume is so low.
You have to find a supplier who is willing to make them in the appropriate colors.
AF badges are available from Williams & Williams in Lakeland, FL (nametags4u.com) and Army badges are available from Spur Nametags (1800nametape.com).
Keep in mind: Williams & Williams "Dark Blue" is lighter than the nametapes. Spur's "Midnight Blue" is darker than the nametapes.
So.. the search continues.
Quote from: NIN on July 26, 2016, 11:39:44 PM
...
Keep in mind: Williams & Williams "Dark Blue" is lighter than the nametapes. Spur's "Midnight Blue" is darker than the nametapes.
So.. the search continues.
That's the joke.
Quote from: Papabird on July 26, 2016, 07:32:43 PM
Quote from: Hawk200 on July 26, 2016, 07:23:53 PM
Now, I probably missed it somewhere, but does anyone have a link to the reference that allows these new tapes on BDUs?
Been out a while, but still have BDUs in good condition (and some that have never had anything sewn on them), and would be happy to sew on the new tapes. They certainly look better than ultramarine.
Thanks in advance.
Took some work to find it, but here it is: http://www.capmembers.com/media/cms/CAP_Transition_to_ABUs_06DC64FB17483.pdf (http://www.capmembers.com/media/cms/CAP_Transition_to_ABUs_06DC64FB17483.pdf)
Enjoy!
Thank you for the link.
Took some work for me to find it. Was reading the later pages in the doc, finally just did a search, found it in the first page. (Although, it's obvious that something wasn't fully proofed prior to publication. It gives the impression that BDUs are authorized after a certain date with navy nametapes, not that they're phased out.)
Quote from: Hawk200 on July 27, 2016, 02:56:27 PM
Thank you for the link.
Took some work for me to find it. Was reading the later pages in the doc, finally just did a search, found it in the first page. (Although, it's obvious that something wasn't fully proofed prior to publication. It gives the impression that BDUs are authorized after a certain date with navy nametapes, not that they're phased out.)
I understand and agree with the lack of proofing. However, I understand this instruction as on 15 June 16 the CFU & BDU uniforms can start using the dark blue tapes, and by the end of the BDU's life (2021) all CFU uniforms must be using the dark blue insignia. Also, you don't have to change until then, but everything needs to match.
Here is the statement from the cover letter (sigh)
The Battle Dress Uniform (BDU) may continue to be worn until the mandatory phase out date of 15 June 2021.
CAP will also begin to transition to dark blue tapes on the Corporate field uniform and BDUs
with a mandatory wear date of 15 June 2021. Members are not required to change the tapes
on existing uniforms until the mandatory wear date; however, all devices on the uniform must
match.
I know it could have been more clear, but it is there (IMHO). Hopefully, the new, new new CAPM 39-1 will be more clear.
I emailed Williams & Williams in Lakeland, FL (nametags4u.com) and they said they are trying to get a sample of the new material so they can make a better color match for USAF occupational and aviation badges. They have been unable to get any so far. They said there was a two month wait (presumably from Vanguard). I wonder if there is someone who already has rank insignia or CAP aviation badges they could lend them. The name tapes and CIVIL AIR PATROL tapes are probably on a different material so they wouldn't be the best choice.
I actually have a set of lieutenant colonel on dark navy blue for the Dark Blue flight suit. Because they are not silver on dark navy blue they are not usable for the new uniform. But they are the same color as the current fabric.
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Quote from: GaryVC on July 27, 2016, 08:30:34 PM
I emailed Williams & Williams in Lakeland, FL (nametags4u.com) and they said they are trying to get a sample of the new material so they can make a better color match for USAF occupational and aviation badges. They have been unable to get any so far. They said there was a two month wait (presumably from Vanguard). I wonder if there is someone who already has rank insignia or CAP aviation badges they could lend them. The name tapes and CIVIL AIR PATROL tapes are probably on a different material so they wouldn't be the best choice.
Vanguard sent me all my new stuff within a week, to include a new EMS badge. Vanguard must not be playing nicely.
Quote from: Papabird on July 27, 2016, 04:34:41 PM
Quote from: Hawk200 on July 27, 2016, 02:56:27 PM
Thank you for the link.
Took some work for me to find it. Was reading the later pages in the doc, finally just did a search, found it in the first page. (Although, it's obvious that something wasn't fully proofed prior to publication. It gives the impression that BDUs are authorized after a certain date with navy nametapes, not that they're phased out.)
I understand and agree with the lack of proofing. However, I understand this instruction as on 15 June 16 the CFU & BDU uniforms can start using the dark blue tapes, and by the end of the BDU's life (2021) all CFU uniforms must be using the dark blue insignia. Also, you don't have to change until then, but everything needs to match.
Here is the statement from the cover letter (sigh)
The Battle Dress Uniform (BDU) may continue to be worn until the mandatory phase out date of 15 June 2021.
CAP will also begin to transition to dark blue tapes on the Corporate field uniform and BDUs
with a mandatory wear date of 15 June 2021. Members are not required to change the tapes
on existing uniforms until the mandatory wear date; however, all devices on the uniform must
match.
I know it could have been more clear, but it is there (IMHO). Hopefully, the new, new new CAPM 39-1 will be more clear.
I get the idea, but the way it was written can lead some people to take it literally. But, it will all come out in the wash.
Anyway, I like the new tapes with the BDU. I'm not going to mind sewing them on, I think they look better.
Of course, I'll be coming back in after being out for almost four years. Uniforms are going to be the least trouble overall.
They also look MUCH better on the black fleece for corporate combinations.
(https://s31.postimg.org/etlnthijb/DSD_8818.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/etlnthijb/)
VS.
(https://s31.postimg.org/6z4a2jjm3/DSD_9441a.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/s8rwddzwn/)upload gif from url (https://postimage.org/)
I need to try a different fleece style. I love fleece, but the only military cut I've tried didn't fit me or sit me well, and I'm average build. But that does look good!
1st Lt Raduenz
Late to the party. But I just got mine back and could not be happier. This is how BDUs should have started... [emoji41]
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You had me until the doggone Pluto patch.
Yea, that thing has to retire to shadow boxes...please.
As of right now, it will be retired when BDUs are. Why not be nostalgic?
Like it or not, it is a part of our history and obviously some members like it!
1st Lt Raduenz
Honestly, I much prefer the pluto patch, not only because of the design compared with the plane, but also because of how... "Provocative," it is. People either don't care, or they get insanely upset(As exemplified). To me, it's just another patch on the uniform that I wear proudly.
I'll probably end up switching it, along with all the other patches(Minus Mil badges), onto a set of BBDUs when the time comes to retire the BDUs. 8)
It's not provocative. It's stupid, useless, and I could care less if anyone wears it besides a passing thought of how stupid and useless it is.
You reacted to post an answer, it is provocative. It provoked you to post an anti-message. Could care less? Do not respond...
;D
I think it's a cool patch for a flight suit lol
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Quote from: Luis R. Ramos on August 09, 2016, 01:53:16 AM
You reacted to post an answer, it is provocative. It provoked you to post an anti-message. Could care less? Do not respond...
;D
No, I clarified that no one finds it provocative. It just is. Dumb, but it just is.
Keeps provoking you to post messages!
No, that's just your posting personality.
Come on, folks, this isn't the 4th grade playground.If y'all want to have a urinating competition, or a measuring contest, take it to PM.
Stick a fork in it; it's done.
Click.