Russian Bomber Overflies US Naval Base

Started by Tubacap, August 09, 2007, 08:08:51 PM

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Tubacap

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jimmydeanno

Perhaps it's the first one they've been able to get in the air since the cold war... >:D
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JC004

Quote from: jimmydeanno on August 09, 2007, 08:18:18 PM
Perhaps it's the first one they've been able to get in the air since the cold war... >:D

ouch   :)

capchiro

Gentlemen, due to recent oil/petroleum developments, Russia has found itself to be cash rich and is investing it in re-arming itself.  Besides attempting to lay claim to the floor of the Arctic and all of the presumed oil there they are also making a big deal over the Baltic area and rebuilding bases there from what I have heard.  Please do some research on this as it could get real scary with our drawn down military and the build up of China and this new Russian resurgence.  I am serious and this may be our next direction of "Cold War".  I think this would be a good topic for totally serious discussion.  Carry on..
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mikeylikey

Putin is a Communist.  Remember the saying "Once a Commie, always a Commie".  He is stripping democratic advances away from his people.  We will see him takeover the country in little less than a year when he is due to step down.  He will create a new socialist regime in that country.  Shortly after he will reclaim all territories lost after the collapse.  That will create a HUGE problem as some of those areas are friends with the U S.  He has no reason to worry as we will still most likely be involved with Iraq-Iran-Saudi Arabia-Pakistan-Afghanistan. 

I would not necessarily worry about China at the moment.  Granted they are making a push to devalue the American Dollar, and create a negative trade balance between the US and the rest of the world.  Economics fluctuate, and this country will just invent something the rest of the world wants and overtake China.  I am also not concerned about the Chinese people.  For the most part, most Chinese people do not even know they live in a country called China.  The vast majority of China is third world villages.  The Chinese Government has attempted to educate its poorer villages and introduce customs and beliefs, but it has not worked since they started it in 1960.  As far as the Chinese military goes, they are still training tactics dating to the 1970's.  They have made a few technological advances thanks to past American Presidents selling weapons technology and a few traitors.  Most of their advances came during 1950-53, and 1968-70.  So they are still behind on the curve.

I am more concerned with the Latin American countries and Mexico.  I have a feeling that we will see a significant rise in fascist and socialist governments form in the majority of those countries.  Hell, compare the fall of the Roman Empire with that of the Mexican/United States situation along the border.  Rome was invaded by hordes of people that illegally immigrated in.  The Roman Govt openly allowed the illegal immigration and that was a pivotal mistake on their part.  Illegal immigration is nothing more than an invasion.  We have been invaded by Mexicans and the Federal Government is freely allowing it.  It has gone as far as the Mexican Government producing reading material to give to their citizens on how to survive in the desert after they cross the border.  To me that is an outright declaration of war. 

We are in three wars right now.  The visible war in Afghanistan and Iraq, the less visible war against Terrorism at home, and the war with illegal immigrants.  We are loosing one, possibly two of those wars at the moment.  I am not a politico, nor do I have an opinion on the current political situations in this country.  I only hope that nothing HUGE happens (as far as a regional war) that the U S becomes involved with, because I seriously doubt that the our military can stand up to that type of demand at the current time.  Remember when the Reserves and National Guard were the Reserves and National Guard?  Looks more like Active Duty these days.
What's up monkeys?

wingnut

I remember the USSR overflying Guam in the 70s, it was a big game, however now Guam has the B-2 and f-15Es and Global Hawk, along with B-52s and Kc10s it a hot base now, along with 50,000 new Marines being transferred fromOki, Guam is our premier Pacific Strategic asset. The russians could have seen more with the Space Sensors, but this is flexing (old crap) but a Nuclear Cruise Missile fired fromm 125 miles could be a problem.

I am afraid that we are heading into rough days ahead with 1/2 the military that we really need.

MIKE

Quote from: wingnut on August 10, 2007, 12:02:20 AM
Guam is our premier Pacific Strategic asset.

And by that you mean target?  7 December 1941.
Mike Johnston

AlphaSigOU

Quote from: mikeylikey on August 09, 2007, 09:42:51 PM
Putin is a Communist.  Remember the saying "Once a Commie, always a Commie"... 

The other variation about Putin: "once a chekisti, always a chekisti" ('Pooty-Poot' used to work for the KGB.)

"On no account will a Commie ever drink water. And not without good reason..." - Gen. Jack D. Ripper
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RogueLeader

So, should we reactivate SAC and Operation chrome Dome?
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SarDragon

I should find the pix of the Russkie airshow over the USS Midway in Sep '82. We had snuck up to the Aleutians while they were getting all excited about tracking the 'E' coming out of a three year yard period, and when they realized we were in the area, we became very popular.

The operative, but somewhat inaccurate, mantra was "Bisons and Badgers and Bears, oh my!" There were either no Bisons, or no Badgers. Don't recall which. Lotsa Bears, though!
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MIKE

Mike Johnston

mikeylikey

^  Hmmm a prediction of things to come perhaps?
What's up monkeys?

WoodlandSARman

Are their nuke subs still frozen in ice up in northern Russia HAHAHA????????
SM Chamberlin
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Flying Pig

Mikey nailed it.  I cannot believe the number of illegals, Mexicans, middle eastern, Ukranian, Russian, who are absolutely hostile to the US.
This incident with the Russian Bears is only the beginging.   The article commented that the bomber was manned by a young flight crew.  And I can gaurantee they werent flying over for a photo op, they were "training".  Putin isnt going to be elected out.  He's not going to go anywhere.  There is a reason he is boosting the military as his term comes to an end.  And his new, proud, well equipped military isnt going to stand aside and wait to get pushed back into the poverty they just came from.


WoodlandSARman

This stuff happens all the time guys, every country allways tries to "test the waters"
SM Chamberlin
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Former SWR-OK-002 - Black Knight Command Staff.
Former GLR-IN-069
NGSAR Basic 2000 - Honor Team
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Flying Pig

The difference is Russia hasn't had the ability to do it in quit a while and the fact that they aren't our friends.  Very seldom do countries test the waters by flying long range bombers near American bases.  Nor do many countries have the ability.  Russia is doing a huge military build up and expanding to bases that they abandoned long ago.  Vladamir Putin was the head of the KGB.  He doesn't test the waters.  He knows exactly what the US response will be.  Hes showing the US that Russia is back in the game.  Putin was head of the KGB back when several of the Russian intelligence officers based in the US were recalled back to Russia and executed.

mikeylikey

^ Not to mention that Russia is (has been) surplussing its oil.  For almost a decade they gave little to the people and stored the majority of it.  They control almost 60% of oil that the rest of Europe uses.  They are the real threat to world stability.  They (Russian Govt) wants to reclaim the "grand" soviet empire.  I authored a thesis 7 years ago on why Russia won't stay Democratic and predicted how change would come.  It appears the majority of my predictions are coming to surface.  I am no genius, based most of my posturing on the rise of Nazi Germany.  There are striking parallels in both countries. 

Either way......I can't say anything bad about China, I don't want my cat to eat poisoned food, or end up brushing my teeth with tainted toothpaste.
What's up monkeys?

WoodlandSARman

Whats funny is that after the cold war a lot of top Russians said that if they would have gone to war with the US they would have lost, they just puffed up like a blow fish and looked larger then what they were.

Its also well known that back then our subs would follow theirs and they would not even know it and we would ping them every now and then to scare the living day lights out of the men in their suubs.

Anytime some country has a build up or does something people allways flip out. Look at all the crap North Korea has done and Iran when they put Air Defences up at their Nuke sites.

So Russia is starting to build its millitary back up from it being in shambles from when the wall fell and the USSR was gone. Ummm ok? Ill raise an eye brow when they un-freeze their nuclear subs and there are reports of them off the US coasts and Russian bombers in holding patterns of the North american cost. Russia's millitary is not even close to what it used to be. Its main bomber the Bear is still its number 1 heavy bomber, ours back then was the 52. We now have the B-2 and lots of other stealth stuff, they have no stealth. Not to mention them selling or destroying a ton of their nukes. Just because you have a growing millitary means nothing, after the cold war and the fall of the USSR their millitary came to a hault and they pretty much dod no R&D on anything millitary. We and NATO kept going.

Id worry more about IRan having Nukes then Russia trying to re-build itself from shambles :)
SM Chamberlin
Former C/CMSGT. "lifer"
IN Wing Central Group ES Officer GLR-IN-224
Former GLR-IN-123
Former SWR-OK-002 - Black Knight Command Staff.
Former GLR-IN-069
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NESA GSAR Advanced/Team Leader - 2001 NESA GSAR Basic -  2007

SAR-EMT1

Quote from: mikeylikey on August 10, 2007, 10:59:35 PM
^ Not to mention that Russia is (has been) surplussing its oil.  For almost a decade they gave little to the people and stored the majority of it.  They control almost 60% of oil that the rest of Europe uses.  They are the real threat to world stability.  They (Russian Govt) wants to reclaim the "grand" soviet empire.  I authored a thesis 7 years ago on why Russia won't stay Democratic and predicted how change would come.  It appears the majority of my predictions are coming to surface.  I am no genius, based most of my posturing on the rise of Nazi Germany.  There are striking parallels in both countries. 

Either way......I can't say anything bad about China, I don't want my cat to eat poisoned food, or end up brushing my teeth with tainted toothpaste.

Any chance I can get a copy of this thesis?
C. A. Edgar
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