Drinks

[usafcap1]

My 21th birthday is coming up and a few SM's want to take me out for a drink at a local pub. Would that be okay or no? We would be wearing our BDU's.

Just want to check to be on the safe side. I see a lot a Navy guys in uniform out there, I just want  to check. Don't worry I don't plan to get drunk as a skunk.



Thanks

[Stonewall]

Don't worry I don't plan to get drunk as a skunk.

That may not be YOUR plan, but....

I'd suggest against wearing your uniform either way.

[AlphaSigOU]

In this day and age, it's NOT a very good idea getting drunk, polluted, shellacked, etc., etc. and so forth in uniform.

[SJFedor]

Email your Wing Commander, see what he would have to say. Or better yet, just invite him.

I mean jeebus, i'm not trying to be mean, but do you have ZERO common sense?

[Bobble]

Personally, I think it's a swell idea.  Just make sure you bring some recruiting materials with you to distribute (in your role as the Squadron's Recruiting and Retention Officer) to the other bar patrons.  What better place to find someone to sign up and be your Ass't. DDR Officer (if you don't already have one).

[Angus]

Aside from the uniform there's absolutely no problem with it.  Just bring a change of clothes to your meeting and change out before hitting up the bar. 

[Cool Mace]

Aside from the uniform there's absolutely no problem with it.  Just bring a change of clothes to your meeting and change out before hitting up the bar.

Exactly. A quick change of clothes after you're dismissed for the evening, and you may enjoy yourselves as you see fit.

Welcome to the dark side. Make sure you apply for your cookies through EServices. They are a little backed up with orders right now, so give it some time to get to you.

[johnnyb47]

I can't find "at local pub to celebrate your 21st birthday" anywhere in the "when to wear" table in 39-1.....

[Eclipse]

CAP membership aside, I have an issue with the idea that turning 21 now means alcohol is considered a mandate.

Have them take you to a nice restaurant.

[Cool Mace]

I find if you are able to go out with adults who can teach you the ways of good alcohol, then you will be better off than just going out with friends.
Having a good beer or two never hurt anyone. Just make sure you drink plenty of water, and possibly have a DD.

Enjoy yourself in a responsible way. Don't do anything you might regret the next day. Don't "act a fool".

[Pylon]

Bring a change of clothes.  I cannot see any reason whatsoever why you'd be unable to bring civilian clothes with you to the meeting and change in the bathroom or something of that nature.

[Stonewall]

21st Birthday Safety Briefing:

1.  The more you drink, the better women look.  Have MOPP IV at the ready.
2.  It's okay to lie at the bar.  You're not in CAP, you just graduated Top Gun.
3.  The minute you start taking shots is the minute your night just got better, or worse.  Could go either way.
4.  Get phone numbers, don't give them.
5.  You don't have a Facebook page...ever.
6.  Pictures are never a good idea.
7.  Animals are not suddenly your friend because you're drunk.  Don't screw with them...don't screw them.
8.  In a relationship?  The answer is:  "I'm just now getting over her."
9.  I don't like to talk about "the war", and leave it at that.
10. Make eye contact, listen, and smile.

Bonus rule:   Designated driver or taxi.  When you're intoxicated you ALWAYS think you're good to go, but you're not!  The cost of a cab ride is far cheaper than lawyer/court fees, and doesn't compare to injuring or killing another human.  Now, go get hammered!

[Cool Mace]

Stonewall,

Those are rules to live by everyday, not just on your 21st.
Nicely put!

[JeffDG]

CAP membership aside, I have an issue with the idea that turning 21 now means alcohol is considered a mandate.

Have them take you to a nice restaurant.

I saw no evidence of arm twisting...they offered, he accepted.  No "mandate" involved.

Did the same on my 18th.

[Simplex]

Don't worry I don't plan to get drunk as a skunk.

That may not be YOUR plan, but....

I'd suggest against wearing your uniform either way.

Ditto! People are too quick to judge these days. You never know who's watching. Congrats and Happy Birthday....but leave the uniform elsewhere.

[Eclipse]

Never said anyone twisted an arm, this is a societal issue - somehow there must be a rite of passage involving alcohol.

Then we wonder why we have "issues".

[Cool Mace]

Then we wonder why we have "issues".

I fully agree with that.

I honestly think if people grew up around it in a responsible way, we wouldn't have nearly the problem we do.
Alcohol has become such an "evil" thing, and when someone turns 21, BAM! It's time to party. I've never seen the point in that.

I enjoy a nice drink every now and then. But what's the point of going out and getting drunk? It costs too much to begin with.
A fine cigar, and a bottle of nice scotch with a few close friends at home is the way to go.

[Eclipse]

I enjoy a nice drink every now and then. But what's the point of going out and getting drunk? It costs too much to begin with. A fine cigar, and a bottle of nice scotch with a few close friends at home is the way to go.

Agree.  I've said before that a big night for me is a Kahlua and cream in a hotel lobby if I have no where to be for 8-10 hours - some Bailey's in my coffee
is the "hard stuff".

Who knows?  Maybe a good example here puts this fine young man on the right path.

[Cool Mace]

Who knows?  Maybe a good example here puts this fine young man on the right path.

One can hope. 
Always lead by example.
I will admit I enjoy to "Cut loose" a rare occasions. By cutting loose, I mean a night at an adults house with a 6 of Guinness, and maybe a Crown & Coke.
Of course, no driving.

Bailey's... Gotta love it.

[Stonewall]

I had my first alcoholic drink at age 24 and didn't experience being drunk until I was around 25 or 26.  No real reason, just didn't.  I was always into things that didn't involve alcohol.  No big deal.

My father, a Vietnam vet and retired Navy officer, was critically and permanently injured by a drunk driver in 1987.  Paralyzed, memory loss, and difficulty speaking, and I'm no hater of drinking.  In fact, I think chillin' out at a bar with friends along with some drinks is often the best psychological decompression and mental dump you can do.

[Eclipse]

My dad told me he didn't drink until he was in the Army - just not interested.

He said he came out of the gym one night after basketball and was offered a very cold, very tall beer.  That was that.

For him the experience was less then stellar from there, especially as he got older.  Mom, too, and plenty of
relatives.  That's why I'm not inclined.

[JeffDG]

I think I had my first beer at 12 with my dad after a long day working on the farm.  Regularly had a beer or wine with dinner.

It was never a big deal to me because it was not "forbidden fruit".  Want a beer, it's in the fridge.  No big deal whatsoever.  Heck, last summer I brought a dozen beer back with me from Canada, and I still have some left, so my early exposure obviously didn't turn me into a raging alcoholic.

Personally, I think the 21 age is absurd.  I remember when I was growing up "If you're old enough to die for your country, you're old enough to drink a toast to it too."

[MSG Mac]

1. wear civilian clothes to the bar. If you must wear a uniform, Polo shirt or G/W (remove the insignia prior to entering the establishment.

2. Set a limit of 2 drinks no more.

3. Designated driver or taxi. If you see the DD drink anything alcoholic, TAXI!

4. Eat before drinking.

5. If you're a Flight Officer, it expires on midnight of the day before. Have your Commander submit your appointment to the appropriate grade. 
 

[Brad]

We would be wearing our BDU's.

Why? Are you guys heading there after a meeting? If so be wary of the 2 hour rule per 39-1, and even then I still advise against it. Like others have said, bring a change of clothes. If you're wearing your BDUs just because you're going out to the bar and want to look cool like the Real Military guys, then that's a big negative ghostrider.

[Майор Хаткевич]

Drinking with older people is typically 100% different than peers. I enjoy a brewski with some SMs a lot more than some of the bar trips I had with  friends where I had to worry about people getting home.

[NIN]

Who knows?  Maybe a good example here puts this fine young man on the right path.

"Come on.. no stragglers.  We owe it to Sergeant Hulka to wind up face down in gutter tonight!"

[NIN]

BTW, you guys are complete sticks in the mud, but I get where you're going with the "no uniform" thing.

WIWASC, we had our own "Officer's Club." Well, OK, it was the local Legion post that 3-4 of us were members of.  We'd *occasionally* go there after our meeting for our "officer's meeting" (insert copious amounts of "*wink* *wink*" here).

Were we "in public?" Well, sort of.   We were surrounded by other veterans, not really the "general public" like going and getting Margaritas at the local Applebees after the meeting.

And they loved having us there. Plus, you know, $1 drafts were nice.

Several of my officers did not want to participate (various reasons) and that was fine. Nobody was arm twisted, attendance was not "mandatory."  Although one of my officers was an AA member, and he came along every time.  He liked the ginger ale they had on tap there or something.  

The funny thing was that one night we were all going and 2-3 of my officers who did not normally visit the "Officer's Club" asked if they could come along (it was, I recall, my deputy for seniors last meeting before moving).  "Heck yes!"   They came along, drank a Coke or whatever, and later said "Wow, we didn't realize that the Officer's Club was quite so... cordial and fun."   Well, of course. We're not getting trashed out and swinging from the chandelier!

[The CyBorg is destroyed]

Bad behaviour while intoxicated would be just another reason for CAP to get a black eye.

I stopped drinking over a decade ago as a matter of personal choice.  However, I have a sister who has been a bartender since before the days of Billy Beer, including at clubs on Army posts (Fort Ord, Schofield Barracks) and she has not hesitated to eject drunk and disorderly personnel, regardless of rank.

I don't want something similar to happen to any CAP member.

If you're going to have a drink, change clothes and remember that in or out of uniform, your behaviour reflects on CAP as a whole.

[Майор Хаткевич]

Drinks = implies more than 1
Drinking = implies prolonged event
Drink = implies 1
One or Two = implies 1 or 2
A couple = implies 2.

The first two not ok, the 3rd to 5th? Shouldn't be any trouble.

[Flying Pig]

And dont forget why DUIs are called a "Deuce".   Because they have always had only two.  Not one, not 3-4, always 2. 

[Dad2-4]

I'll go ahead and interject here since it seems like I'm in a huge minority. I don't drink and never have. Not one alcoholic drink in my 48 years. Never been to a bar or out with friends who were drinking while I just had a coke. So I have a definite opinion about alcohol. I also have a very dim view of "I'm turning 21. Let's go drink" scenario. It does indeed seem to be an ingrained part of social behavior, unfortunately. Alcohol should never be connected with any sort of right of passage into "adulthood". IMHO, we should be setting the example and teaching our membership about refraining from alcohol and tobacco and the harm they cause to the human body. Spare me the bogus lecture about "having a drink now and then is good for you".

[Woodsy]

Personally, I think it's a swell idea.  Just make sure you bring some recruiting materials with you to distribute (in your role as the Squadron's Recruiting and Retention Officer) to the other bar patrons.  What better place to find someone to sign up and be your Ass't. DDR Officer (if you don't already have one).

I've passed out more than a few CAP business cards at my local pub...  It's a great way to meet people!  Several of the people I've met have come to meetings, though I don't think any have joined. 

You'd be surprised how many former CAP cadets I've ran into... 

Keep it under control, don't get hammered, and don't wear a uniform.  Heed Stonewall's advice.  You never think you're not OK to drive. 

[ol'fido]

My opinion is that there is a difference between a group of senior members going to a place like Hooters, Applebees, or Chilis where alcohol is served in addition to the regular food fare and having a drink with your "bloomin' onion" and going to the local "no-name" honky tonk where the bouncer looks like an extra from "Sons of Anarchy" and the women obviously don't have a dental plan. I see AF guys at the Hooters in Fairview Heights(about 10 miles from Scott AFB) more often than not. Nobody in the Hooters seems to have any problem with it nor do I. If I have my drothers, I'd rather change into civvies to go socialize but I would not be adverse to stopping on the way home from a meeting in uniform at a Chilis or Applebees. I am not going to keep looking at my watch either to make sure I stay under the two hour window.

[Stonewall]

I'll go ahead and interject here since it seems like I'm in a huge minority. I don't drink and never have. Not one alcoholic drink in my 48 years. Never been to a bar or out with friends who were drinking while I just had a coke. So I have a definite opinion about alcohol. I also have a very dim view of "I'm turning 21. Let's go drink" scenario. It does indeed seem to be an ingrained part of social behavior, unfortunately. Alcohol should never be connected with any sort of right of passage into "adulthood". IMHO, we should be setting the example and teaching our membership about refraining from alcohol and tobacco and the harm they cause to the human body. Spare me the bogus lecture about "having a drink now and then is good for you".

I'm 40 and occasionally drink alcohol, am I a bad example to cadets?  I'm physically fit, eat very healthy, and PT 5 to 6 days a week.  THIS IS WHAT THE CADETS SEE.

How about what seems to be the majority of senior members who are overweight, out of shape, and demonstrate unhealthy eating habits, and live sedentary lifestyles?  Just the fact that an obese senior member holding the stop watch while cadets run their mile run is a pathetic demonstration of influence compared to a senior member, who out of sight of the cadets, enjoys a brewski with their mates.

[usafcap1]

Thank you

Okay so pub is out. A nice diner is in. Drinks are out. Sodas are in with a free slice of pie. (I have free coupon for pie)

[Woodsy]

Thank you

Okay so pub is out. A nice diner is in. Drinks are out. Sodas are in with a free slice of pie. (I have free coupon for pie)

Pie?  Dude, it's your 21st...  That's a biggie!

I'd push for steak 

[Rick-DEL]

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[SJFedor]

Thank you

Okay so pub is out. A nice diner is in. Drinks are out. Sodas are in with a free slice of pie. (I have free coupon for pie)

No one is telling you not to enjoy your 21st however you see fit. The general consensus, however, is to leave the uniforms in the closet while you do so.

Happy birthday.

[Cool Mace]

Heck if you're going to dinner, I don't see a problem with having a beer or glass of wine to go along with it.

Enjoy yourself! Just not too much. 

[Майор Хаткевич]

+1.

I personally feel like ol'fido on the issue, but I also don't feel that anyone said you CAN'T have a drink on your 21st. I turned 21 during the middle of a work/school week, so my fiancee and I waited until midnight to go to a local establishment and ordered two drinks each, and went home. Simple as that. No one says you need to get slammed like some of my friends have done on their 21st (well, it was actually all of our friends buying drinks for the bday folks, but still).

[Rick-DEL]

Nothing wrong with having a drink. Just use common sense. And remember that while in uniform, you represent the whole. So, with that, public intoxication in uniform ultimately reflects negatively on the organization as a whole, as well as our parent organization (for those in the public that know of our auxiliary status). Safest route is civies. My 21st was in Hawaii at Wheeler AFB...needless to say I'll keep that story to myself :-)

Have fun, enjoy, and watch your 6. Be a good wing man.

[Cool Mace]

You may also refer to the regulations for this. Drinks are allowed at certain CAP activities while in uniform.
I would venture to guess you're more than OK to have one while at dinner after a meeting.

But civvies are always the safest.

[stillamarine]

My 21 came while I was stationed in Okinawa. The drinking age for service members stationed there at the time was 20. So it was never a big deal for me.

[ol'fido]

Nothing wrong with having a drink. Just use common sense. And remember that while in uniform, you represent the whole. So, with that, public intoxication in uniform ultimately reflects negatively on the organization as a whole, as well as our parent organization (for those in the public that know of our auxiliary status). Safest route is civies. My 21st was in Hawaii at Wheeler AFB...needless to say I'll keep that story to myself :-)

Have fun, enjoy, and watch your 6. Be a good wing man.

When were you at Wheeler? I was assigned to Schofield from 88 to 92.I think the AF gave Wheeler to the Army right about the time I left.

[Private Investigator]

My 21th birthday is coming up and a few SM's want to take me out for a drink at a local pub. Would that be okay or no? We would be wearing our BDU's.

Just want to check to be on the safe side. I see a lot a Navy guys in uniform out there, I just want  to check. Don't worry I don't plan to get drunk as a skunk.



Thanks

NO !!! In a bar, in a military uniform, with people who are drunk and some of them are Navy guys.

My first bar fight, San Diego, I am in Marine uniform and a drunk in bib overalls says he is a Navy man and the fight is on. I must have insulted his boyfriend. Atlanta airport for no apparent reason, NJ just because, TX why not.

Your mother will be upset when you are missing a front tooth but she'll get use to it. Of course 40 years later you'll still have dental problems, just a FYI.

P.S. a nice meal with the guys is the best answer

[Pump Scout]

Welcome to the dark side. Make sure you apply for your cookies through EServices. They are a little backed up with orders right now, so give it some time to get to you.

I always thought cookies were acquired through Vanguard.... 

[Devil Doc]

Ahh, back in my Drinking Days. Uhmm well lets not go there  . Long Long time ago, when I  was in the service, Me and 4 or 5 other Marines were entering a Bar, in civvies of course. The so called "Door Man/Bouncer" told us at the door to not cause any trouble and they will let us in. Im assuming they have had some bad relations in the past. We agreed, and as we all pass him, we say "We wont Start anything, unless somebody starts it with us". The doorman was not happen with our statement. Nothing happened we left after a few hours to go to the next bar. Marines must have kicked to many Rich Cali Kids butts and they were tired of it i guess.

[Private Investigator]

In Tokyo the bouncer was yakuza and he said, "NO". So we continued on ... When those guys say, no, they mean it   

[Rick-DEL]

Nothing wrong with having a drink. Just use common sense. And remember that while in uniform, you represent the whole. So, with that, public intoxication in uniform ultimately reflects negatively on the organization as a whole, as well as our parent organization (for those in the public that know of our auxiliary status). Safest route is civies. My 21st was in Hawaii at Wheeler AFB...needless to say I'll keep that story to myself :-)

Have fun, enjoy, and watch your 6. Be a good wing man.

When were you at Wheeler? I was assigned to Schofield from 88 to 92.I think the AF gave Wheeler to the Army right about the time I left.

I was at WAFB from FEB 86 to NOV 88. Yes, we gave WAFB to the Army who are still there. I have some buddies who have gone back on vacations and stopped by the base. Pretty much looks the same except for some bigger trees and signage changes. That was a great assignment.

[Phil Hirons, Jr.]

I'm 40 and occasionally drink alcohol, am I a bad example to cadets?  I'm physically fit, eat very healthy, and PT 5 to 6 days a week.  THIS IS WHAT THE CADETS SEE.

How about what seems to be the majority of senior members who are overweight, out of shape, and demonstrate unhealthy eating habits, and live sedentary lifestyles?  Just the fact that an obese senior member holding the stop watch while cadets run their mile run is a pathetic demonstration of influence compared to a senior member, who out of sight of the cadets, enjoys a brewski with their mates.

Wow! I don't even know where to start on this one.

I guess it would be better to tell the cadets no PT test for you (and therefore no promotions) because I'm too overweight to hold the stop watch.

Core Value of Respect? Clearly missing.

Understanding of the differences between the Cadet and Senior programs? Lacking

Or maybe you're right and I should call my bank and cancel the payment for renewal of my dues hang up my gray and whites and call it quits after 15 years of service to CAP. NOT!

[Stonewall]

I'm 40 and occasionally drink alcohol, am I a bad example to cadets?  I'm physically fit, eat very healthy, and PT 5 to 6 days a week.  THIS IS WHAT THE CADETS SEE.

How about what seems to be the majority of senior members who are overweight, out of shape, and demonstrate unhealthy eating habits, and live sedentary lifestyles?  Just the fact that an obese senior member holding the stop watch while cadets run their mile run is a pathetic demonstration of influence compared to a senior member, who out of sight of the cadets, enjoys a brewski with their mates.

Wow! I don't even know where to start on this one.

I guess it would be better to tell the cadets no PT test for you (and therefore no promotions) because I'm too overweight to hold the stop watch.

Core Value of Respect? Clearly missing.

Understanding of the differences between the Cadet and Senior programs? Lacking

Or maybe you're right and I should call my bank and cancel the payment for renewal of my dues hang up my gray and whites and call it quits after 15 years of service to CAP. NOT!

Of course my post was a hypothetical response as a counter argument to someone basically saying that drinking is evil, unhealthy, and demonstrates bad habits to the cadets (although not in the presence of cadets).  My argument being, that unhealthy eating habits, sedentary lifestyles, and obesity is equally, if not, more so, a bad example for cadets to witness.

How is respect violated here, BTW?  I did not call anyone a bad name or poke and make fun.  Obesity and all the other issues with unhealthy lifestyles are in fact genuine issues America faces today.  I guess we could ignore this subject, as well as alcoholism, suicide, or drug use for fear someone may be offended or feel disrespected.

I guess it would be better to tell the cadets no PT test for you (and therefore no promotions) because I'm too overweight to hold the stop watch.

I'm certainly not saying that and although I am a HUGE advocate for the fight against obesity in the US, with 1/3 of adults being obese, I think it's only fair that we do our best (which requires a lot of effort) to set the example for young people.

The topic/argument of weight always ruffles feathers, but that won't deter me from talking about it.

[ol'fido]

Nothing wrong with having a drink. Just use common sense. And remember that while in uniform, you represent the whole. So, with that, public intoxication in uniform ultimately reflects negatively on the organization as a whole, as well as our parent organization (for those in the public that know of our auxiliary status). Safest route is civies. My 21st was in Hawaii at Wheeler AFB...needless to say I'll keep that story to myself :-)

Have fun, enjoy, and watch your 6. Be a good wing man.

When were you at Wheeler? I was assigned to Schofield from 88 to 92.I think the AF gave Wheeler to the Army right about the time I left.

I was at WAFB from FEB 86 to NOV 88. Yes, we gave WAFB to the Army who are still there. I have some buddies who have gone back on vacations and stopped by the base. Pretty much looks the same except for some bigger trees and signage changes. That was a great assignment.

You were leaving about the time I got there. My main memories were of the SPs having a coniption fit if we walked on the grass near the base headquarters(and along the whole road there) on our way out to East Range.

[Rick-DEL]

Nothing wrong with having a drink. Just use common sense. And remember that while in uniform, you represent the whole. So, with that, public intoxication in uniform ultimately reflects negatively on the organization as a whole, as well as our parent organization (for those in the public that know of our auxiliary status). Safest route is civies. My 21st was in Hawaii at Wheeler AFB...needless to say I'll keep that story to myself :-)

Have fun, enjoy, and watch your 6. Be a good wing man.

When were you at Wheeler? I was assigned to Schofield from 88 to 92.I think the AF gave Wheeler to the Army right about the time I left.

I was at WAFB from FEB 86 to NOV 88. Yes, we gave WAFB to the Army who are still there. I have some buddies who have gone back on vacations and stopped by the base. Pretty much looks the same except for some bigger trees and signage changes. That was a great assignment.

You were leaving about the time I got there. My main memories were of the SPs having a coniption fit if we walked on the grass near the base headquarters(and along the whole road there) on our way out to East Range.

Not so much the grass by HQ, but more so cutting the corner by the south ramp. The Army boys walking along that bend in the road on the way to their bivouac were determined to shave off about 100 yards from their trek. Problem was that the area was an extended ECP to the south ramp for engine run-ups, and clearly marked with a red line and signs. Nothing like seeing USAF SPs fire up the lights on the pickup and screech off in the direction. Almost made you want to pull up a lawn chair 

That bend was on the road between the south ramp and the firing range down in the gulch. You remember that road?

[ol'fido]

Not really. We mostly came across the road from Schofield on Lyman, hit Wright Ave and followed it around to where Santos Dumont went under the highway and became Higgins Rd. along the golf course out to E. Range. Never went down to that firing range. We usually used Area X out towards KoleKole.

[Rick-DEL]

Not really. We mostly came across the road from Schofield on Lyman, hit Wright Ave and followed it around to where Santos Dumont went under the highway and became Higgins Rd. along the golf course out to E. Range. Never went down to that firing range. We usually used Area X out towards KoleKole.

Ah, yes. Straight under 99 and H2. Got it. I was hoping you weren't one of the 'grass eaters' along south ramp, I would have felt bad 

[okeecap]

Reading through this brought me back to the 2007 Florida wing conference in Orlando.......Nothing more funny as a cadet than sitting around at a banquet table watching a bunch of captains majors ETC getting a little inebriated.  There was a station serving the adult beverages and just about all of the senior members including a general ( heard we are not supposed to say his name).  But going to a bar in uniform well As a law enforcement officer I would have to say it looks pretty bad, like hey look at me im trying really hard not to get a ticket here.

[NIN]

Reading through this brought me back to the 2007 Florida wing conference in Orlando.......Nothing more funny as a cadet than sitting around at a banquet table watching a bunch of captains majors ETC getting a little inebriated.  There was a station serving the adult beverages and just about all of the senior members including a general ( heard we are not supposed to say his name).  But going to a bar in uniform well As a law enforcement officer I would have to say it looks pretty bad, like hey look at me im trying really hard not to get a ticket here.

Years ago, when I was a 1Lt or maybe a new captain, I went to a Wing Conference where they had a hospitality area set up outside the banquet area.  Never one to pass up a social opportunity, I made a beeline for the bar and got a nice mixed drink.

I turned around and there were 3-4 of my cadets staring at me open mouthed like "holy crap, the LT drinks?"

I looked around, found a place to set my drink down on the bar and backed away from it.

That freaked me out. I didn't realize the impact it would have on the cadets, and I kind of forgot that cadets would be in this lobby area, too, waiting for the banquet.

Never mind that MI Wing's "Maverick & Goose" dynamic duo got pretty tore up at the hospitality and provided literally HOURS of entertainment to cadets and seniors alike.

[Eclipse]

^ What you learn quick as a parent is that most of the things you teach your kids happen between the planned moments, and has as much to do
with attitude, Karma, and aura as it does with direct instruction.

[johnnyb47]

^ What you learn quick as a parent is that most of the things you teach your kids happen between the planned moments, and has as much to do
with attitude, Karma, and aura as it does with direct instruction.

Partaking in the occasional drink is a perfectly cromulent exercise under the right social circumstance.
Knowing when not to drink, such as in the presence of your cadets, shows you've been embiggened by your nobility.

[NIN]

Partaking in the occasional drink is a perfectly cromulent exercise under the right social circumstance.
Knowing when not to drink, such as in the presence of your cadets, shows you've been embiggened by your nobility.

I'm embiggened by my scrumtrulesence...