Technical or Specialized Operations

Started by AALTIS, December 20, 2014, 02:57:46 AM

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AALTIS

I would like to know of any units that have members who have received permission per CAPR 60-3 Section1-31 Technical or Specialized Operations to conduct those types of emergency services specialties?

I'm not interested in your opinions of whether we should or should not, just if you know of those doing this.

Thanks
Alan Altis, Captain
EMT/ B
MO Wing Group I
Emergency Services &
Communications Officer

sarmed1

#1
TXWG and FLWG both put "ROPE" on 101 card (the old yellow version) and a few other people I knew at the time.  Years a go in PA I knew of a guy that was authorized for K-9 search on his 101 by wing.

I never saw any sort of approved "supplement" for any of those cases (I had one locally in TX, but was never told if that was approved beyond the "skill set" on my card)

MK
Capt.  Mark "K12" Kleibscheidel

Private Investigator

For the Space Shuttle Columbia disaster (2/1/2003) I understand members searched on horseback for debris and remains. But I do not recall anyone being "Mounted Search and Rescue". It was a resource some indiviuals had and likely put to use.   8)

TarRiverRat

MER had a mounted patrol a few years ago.  I believe from the Maryland wing.  Not sure if they are still operating or not.  Saw an article about them but don't know much about the program.
Tar River Composite Squadron "River Rats" NC-057

JC004

Quote from: TarRiverRat on December 21, 2014, 12:16:04 AM
MER had a mounted patrol a few years ago.  I believe from the Maryland wing.  Not sure if they are still operating or not.  Saw an article about them but don't know much about the program.

http://www.mdcap.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=article.display&articleID=85

Public Affairs Guy

South Dakota Wing had the 53rd Mounted SAR Patrol from 1992 to 2012.
Bruce Kipp, MAJ, CAP

Eclipse

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Quote from: Public Affairs Guy on December 21, 2014, 03:47:58 PM
South Dakota Wing had the 53rd Mounted SAR Patrol from 1992 to 2012.

What happened to the first 52?

I've always thought that a motorcycle-mounted SAR team could be infinitely more effective then one
in a van or car, especially if the crash site winds up being difficult to access.  Dual-sports would have been
sweet for Katrina or Sandy - few places they can't go.

But even that wouldn't be "technical" in the way that 60-1 purports, that's just the modus of transport, same with the horses.
A legally licensed POV doesn't need any special permission to be used, as like an airplane, the licensing is handled externally.
(Yeah, I know, wing CC is supposed to approve POVs - how many wings actually do that?)

The answer to the OP is "none". If it's not on the 101, CAP isn't supposed to be doing it.

"That Others May Zoom"

AALTIS

One of the specific items on the list that I was looking for was canine SAR.  I have heard that a guy that knew a guy that once met a guy at a CAP conference once saw a CAP canine.  I would like to know some specifics for something that I'm working on.  Don't worry, I'm not trying to recruit Rin Tin Tin.
Alan Altis, Captain
EMT/ B
MO Wing Group I
Emergency Services &
Communications Officer

Eclipse

Quote from: AALTIS on December 21, 2014, 07:57:40 PM
One of the specific items on the list that I was looking for was canine SAR.  I have heard that a guy that knew a guy that once met a guy at a CAP conference once saw a CAP canine.  I would like to know some specifics for something that I'm working on.  Don't worry, I'm not trying to recruit Rin Tin Tin.

You'll have to ask the guy that made up the story.

There's been no CAP canine SAR in the last two decades, at least.  Some goober pilot bringing his dog on a mission (BTDT) doesn't count.

"That Others May Zoom"

sardak

QuoteI have heard that a guy that knew a guy that once met a guy at a CAP conference once saw a CAP canine.
Maybe this is one of those guys.

http://alwaysvigilant.blogspot.com/2009/01/cap-first-cap-k9-team.html

http://www.ner.cap.gov/news/NINERSpring09.pdf

Mike

lordmonar

when I went to NESA is '07 there was a CAP member who had a certified SAR dog.
PATRICK M. HARRIS, SMSgt, CAP

Alaric


PHall

We have a member in CAWG who has a certified Search dog and she does use him on missions.
She's also a very active member of a Search Dog organization and they are the ones who certified her and the dog.

Eclipse

A member having a dog isn't the same as the organization doing canine SAR.

My guess would be that no one has actually asked the question as to whether those dogs are allowed to
be there officially and in the capacity as a CAP search asset.

"No one minded before." Won't mean much if someone gets bitten, or a person dies because CAP followed a dog in the wrong direction.

"That Others May Zoom"

AALTIS

Eclipse,  my guess is that the above teams that have had articles published have been given approval to utilize their dogs.

I have found in my recent exploration of this topic, that one wing has a member that has been signed off for USAR and high angle.  So there are some that have met the requirements per the regs.
Alan Altis, Captain
EMT/ B
MO Wing Group I
Emergency Services &
Communications Officer

Eclipse

Quote from: AALTIS on December 22, 2014, 01:13:26 AM
Eclipse,  my guess is that the above teams that have had articles published have been given approval to utilize their dogs.

By whom and how, exactly.

Quote from: AALTIS on December 22, 2014, 01:13:26 AM
I have found in my recent exploration of this topic, that one wing has a member that has been signed off for USAR and high angle.

Cite please - not in a CAP uniform during ES he isn't.

"That Others May Zoom"

sardak

#16
QuoteI have found in my recent exploration of this topic, that one wing has a member that has been signed off for USAR and high angle.  So there are some that have met the requirements per the regs.
Having a member signed off in USAR and/(or) high angle (which are two completely different specialties) is useless.

Mike

JC004

Quote from: sardak on December 22, 2014, 04:01:16 AM
QuoteI have found in my recent exploration of this topic, that one wing has a member that has been signed off for USAR and high angle.  So there are some that have met the requirements per the regs.
Having a member signed off in USAR and/(or) high angle (which are two completely different specialties) is useless.

Mike

Pretty much.

lordmonar

Quote from: Eclipse on December 22, 2014, 01:29:16 AM
Quote from: AALTIS on December 22, 2014, 01:13:26 AM
Eclipse,  my guess is that the above teams that have had articles published have been given approval to utilize their dogs.

By whom and how, exactly.

Quote from: AALTIS on December 22, 2014, 01:13:26 AM
I have found in my recent exploration of this topic, that one wing has a member that has been signed off for USAR and high angle.

Cite please - not in a CAP uniform during ES he isn't.
I've looked....and I can't find the reg that says CAP can't do high angle rescure......don't know what USAR is is.

Where I can point out in CAPR 60-3 that they can do it on CAP time.

Quoteemergency services operations unless required by state law. More specific guidance on CAP's firearms policy can be found in CAPR 900-3, Firearms - Assistance to Law Enforcement Officials.
1-31. Technical or Specialized Operations. CAP often recruits personnel with specialized training or expertise that can be useful on emergency services missions. Though the training required to specialize in these areas is often too cost prohibitive or risky for most personnel to undertake, CAP can still utilize these resources.
a. Members wishing to utilize the training they have earned must have prior permission to do so from NHQ CAP/DO, with written endorsement by the wing and/or region commander. The request must state the limitations proposed for use and how they propose to mitigate risk. If approved by the Air Force for use on an Air Force mission, these members will receive FTCA and FECA coverage just like any other member. Any additional liability coverage required to exercise these privileges is at the expense of the member. CAP personnel choosing to train to be useful in technical areas do so at their own risk. Background training and documentation will be kept at the wing or higher unit for each person given permission for these specialized operations.
b. Any special equipment or resources required for these personnel to exercise their privileges are furnished at the member's own expense and risk.
c. The following technical or specialized operations are considered acceptable but still require prior written approval:
(1) Technical (Rope) Rescue or Mountain Rescue
(2) Canine Search and Rescue
(3) Mounted Search and Rescue
(4) Urban Search and Rescue
Additional areas will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. Questions on other areas should be addressed to the NHQ CAP/DO.
d. Wing and region commanders should review the current letters of permission on file at least annually and coordinate revisions as necessary. New wing and region commanders should review the current letters of permission as soon as is feasible after accepting command. Commanders can contact NHQ CAP/DO to request copies of letters on file if necessary.
PATRICK M. HARRIS, SMSgt, CAP

sarmed1

Id more say extremely limiting, but may not useless.  I have been to a number of non CAP rescue incidents where there were limited "rope rescue guys".  That technical specialist is able to coordinate the efforts of the "minimally trained" team members while waiting for the full technical team.  ie setting up staging, determining best access points, locating anchor points, setting up basic lines for access/lowering and in some instances making a basic descent for patient contact.

More qualified team members would be better, but there is a lot you can do with just a few.....

MK
Capt.  Mark "K12" Kleibscheidel