"Corporate Uniform" Gone!!

[The CyBorg is destroyed]

Grey looks awful and will always look AWFUL no matter what the shade of grey.

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Dark Blue Shirt/Blue Slacks/ Blue Epaulets.  It cannot be confused with an Air Force Uniform.

That's a tough one.  I think I know what uniform you're referring to.  It looks a bit like the Navy/CG (and Auxiliary) "Winter Dress Blue" uniform:

http://www.cgadivision26.org/flotillas/lexington/members_deck/uniforms/images/CGAUX-winter-dress-blue.gif

Interestingly, the local Army/Navy shop has some of those old AF blue shirts in mint condition.

[Eclipse]

I'd be very surprised if we hear anything more from the AF side about the CSU than we've already heard.

Which, after the adjustments mandated right at implementation, (about 3 years ago) has been nothing further to date.

[Hawk200]

It is not that that they are gray, they are the wrong color gray.  A lot of people seem to be favoring a switch to a dark gray. (Think Charcoal Gray)  It would still tie into the grade sleeves, but do away with the "washed out" look of the lighter grays.

I see what you're getting at (I think).  A lot of the problem with the current grey trousers (other than lack of consistency) is that (understandably) some members buy the cheapest trousers they can find.  The fabric is not good, the stitching weak, and after a few spins through the wash they look rather bad.

However, rather than charcoal grey (though I wouldn't say no to that) I would personally prefer a grey-blue, maybe close to what the Post Office wears (in different fabric) or something like what the airline pilots wear (readily available, sharp-looking, and not at all close to the AF):

http://www.airlineuniforms.net/p_pants.htm

and pullover sweaters (not black, too close to the Army, but the dark navy might work):

http://www.airlineuniforms.net/flight_jsw.htm#sweaters

I would like us to look like aviators.  That doesn't necessarily mean military aviators.  I've seen some airline uniforms that are very sharp-looking.  We already wear aviator shirts as part of the "alternative" uniform, so I see no reason not to go with aviator trousers as well (and for those choosing to wear the blazer, it would be a close match).

Psst...I'd also suggest the blue Van Heusen aviator shirt here...but that might be a bit close, even though it's not the same as the AF...

http://www.airlineuniforms.net/p_shirt1.htm

I can second going to a real aviator uniform for the corporate uniform.

I'd add a third on that one. And for all the people that want a hat, airline pilots usually have one. Instead of trying for a police or pseudo-military look uniform, go for the one that relates to, and is easily identified with, aviation overall.

[RogueLeader]

I thought thta many didn't want anything that made us look like Airline Pilots.

I'm just saying. . . .

[Hawk200]

I thought thta many didn't want anything that made us look like Airline Pilots.

I'm just saying. . . .

Wasn't me. As for the appearance, why not? The blazer combo doesn't really associate with anything. It's a blazer with some insignia, none of which really screams "Aviation".

The Air Force variants show an association with aviation, why shouldn't the corporate combo as well?

[jimmydeanno]

I thought thta many didn't want anything that made us look like Airline Pilots.

I'm just saying. . . .

Yeah, I hate when people confuse our organization for one that is aviation related...

[Hawk200]

I thought thta many didn't want anything that made us look like Airline Pilots.

I'm just saying. . . .

Yeah, I hate when people confuse our organization for one that is aviation related...

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[Pumbaa]

I think there might be a problem with dark shirts.. it'll show dandruff...

[MSgt Van]

...and crumbs.

[Майор Хаткевич]

Mmm...doughnuts

[ol'fido]

If we really want to look like aviators we could try this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:William_Lendrum_Mitchell_(full_shot).jpg

[Pumbaa]

Dang I forgot that the powdered donuts will REALLY show up on the dark shirt!

[Phil Hirons, Jr.]

If we really want to look like aviators we could try this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:William_Lendrum_Mitchell_(full_shot).jpg

Sure ant tick off the state police

[High Speed Low Drag]

I agree that if we just HAVE to have a civilian uniform (which I would never wear)

So you'd quit CAP before wearing a corporate variant?

These are the sorts of statements that perpetuate the status of the corporates as "second class".

Yup.  And people wonder why I have posted vehemently about this very thing on other threads.  If flyguy06, Earhart1971, and others could, they would hang out a sign "Fat & Fuzzies need not apply."

[PHall]

Grey looks awful and will always look AWFUL no matter what the shade of grey.

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Dark Blue Shirt/Blue Slacks/ Blue Epaulets.  It cannot be confused with an Air Force Uniform.

That's a tough one.  I think I know what uniform you're referring to.  It looks a bit like the Navy/CG (and Auxiliary) "Winter Dress Blue" uniform:

http://www.cgadivision26.org/flotillas/lexington/members_deck/uniforms/images/CGAUX-winter-dress-blue.gif

Interestingly, the local Army/Navy shop has some of those old AF blue shirts in mint condition.

You guys are referring to the old Shade 1549 Long Sleeve shirt. Very popular uniform combination in cold areas during winter.

[Short Field]

Until you came in from the outside and started sweating.  I guess it would work fine in a lot of the office environments we have today that tend to always be on the cool side.  Bit of a pain having to always wear a tie with it and you really needed to have it tailored well to look good.  I only owned one but it did look nice.

[Earhart1971]

Until you came in from the outside and started sweating.  I guess it would work fine in a lot of the office environments we have today that tend to always be on the cool side.  Bit of a pain having to always wear a tie with it and you really needed to have it tailored well to look good.  I only owned one but it did look nice.

1549 Shade Shirt that is correct. Since its not used by the Air Force, we can find someone to Manufacture the Shirt in Short Sleeve and open Collar. Still would look great.


The Air Force will not be confused.  I am afraid it looks so good, that the Air Force will readapt the Dark Blue Shirt. The Air Force as you know is looking for changes to make in their Uniform. The Airline Pilot and Billy Mitchell did not work for them.

[Lt Oliv]

Here's a whacky idea....

Why don't we just keep the white aviator shirt and blue pants to replace the whites/grays and maintain modified grooming standards?

Then only the corporate coat will have gone to waste and those who despise the grays will be appeased.

If you are attending a function that would necessitate a coat, then you have to wear the USAF and meet all standards, or wear the blazer uniform.

We don't have to make a new uniform. We don't have to create new uniform elements. We salvage the pants. Everyone wins.

[Eclipse]

Here's a whacky idea....

Why don't we just keep the white aviator shirt and blue pants to replace the whites/grays and maintain modified grooming standards?

Then only the corporate coat will have gone to waste and those who despise the grays will be appeased.

If you are attending a function that would necessitate a coat, then you have to wear the USAF and meet all standards, or wear the blazer uniform.

We don't have to make a new uniform. We don't have to create new uniform elements. We salvage the pants. Everyone wins.

This doesn't actually solve anything and perpetuates the separate standards for class of membership - slim and trims get to show off, fat-n-fuzzies get to wear the Hogwarts jacket with the pocket protector.  There's no need to even bother with the additional uniform.

Any fix needs to provide the membership, as a whole, with clothing that fulfills the mission, and makes all of us, at least as a class (senior / cadet) look...wait for it..."uniform".  Anything that separates the respective membership classes, for any reason, just reinvents what we already have and we might as well just leave things as-is.

[ZigZag911]

Any fix needs to provide the membership, as a whole, with clothing that fulfills the mission, and makes all of us, at least as a class (senior / cadet) look...wait for it..."uniform".  Anything that separates the respective membership classes, for any reason, just reinvents what we already have and we might as well just leave things as-is.

I've been saying this for years: keep cadets in AF style uniforms (at least as long as USAF keeps giving them away!), develop something else for seniors...ALL seniors.