"Corporate Uniform" Gone!!

[Short Field]

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Since you agree so whole-heartedly, perhaps you can enlighten us as to what the mission is?
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Cadet Programs, Aerospace Education, and Emergency Services.

[Eclipse]

Yes, thank you for making my point.

The CP stresses discipline, appearance, and military bearing.  The majority of our membership is involved in someway or shape with cadets.  Having a formal uniform which presents a proper example is a program requirement.

[The CyBorg is destroyed]

^ For starters, point #2 is gross oversimplification to make a point which is ultimately incorrect.  The uniform was both reviewed and approved by the USAF.

"Approved" does not necessarily equal "preferred".

Which is what I (erroneously?) understood.  When I first saw photos with the "U.S." collar devices I thought "uh, oh...," but then they were removed, as was the grade insignia on the flight cap.  I had thought that was at the behest of the Air Force, so as to get their consent.

[Eclipse]

^ For starters, point #2 is gross oversimplification to make a point which is ultimately incorrect.  The uniform was both reviewed and approved by the USAF.

"Approved" does not necessarily equal "preferred".

Which is what I (erroneously?) understood.  When I first saw photos with the "U.S." collar devices I thought "uh, oh...," but then they were removed, as was the grade insignia on the flight cap.  I had thought that was at the behest of the Air Force, so as to get their consent.

Correct.

The uniform was presented to them, they reviewed it, directed change, and I assume went to lunch. 

Whether it rubbed some random NCO's or officers who don't understand CAP the wrong way is basically irrelevant.  That doesn't mean our image, bearing and performance isn't important, just that we can't waste calories worrying about every nook and cranny of every other service, LEA, FD, HLS, etc., that happens to also wear a uniform.

There are only so many reasonable color choices and styles of clothing.

[NCRblues]

Yet, contrary to eclipse’s adamant posting, I can’t find a single peace of actual evidence that cap-usaf or any air force leadership approved the CSU….

[Eclipse]

Yet, contrary to eclipse's adamant posting, I can't find a single peace of actual evidence that cap-usaf or any air force leadership approved the CSU....

Look harder.  (or don't, it won't change the facts).

[NCRblues]

I did, there is nothing that says the air force approved that uniform. Other than you and some others that say oh yes they did. I guess I missed that point when you were on the Nb's during that time.....

[Eclipse]

I did, there is nothing that says the air force approved that uniform. Other than you and some others that say oh yes they did. I guess I missed that point when you were on the Nb's during that time.....

So you're actually going to assert and believe that the National Commander has been wearing a uniform for several years that the USAF never approved?

Just trying to see how far you will take this reasoning...

[NCRblues]

Sure she has, because she was doped by pineda just like oh, the rest of cap...unless you think pineda was a good and decent leader that followed the proper procedure to place this new uniform in cap.

[Eclipse]

^ I'm done.

[NCRblues]

I'm still waiting for proof that the air force approved this uniform, I mean you say it's out there. I can't find it, if I am wrong help me out and give me a link to the proof.

[FW]

Arguing about Air Force approval of the CSU is a moot point.  I have copies of the letters from Gen Chandler and Nick Kehoe where in the uniform issue was "negotiated".  Mr. Rowland (our executive director) has copies also.  Le'ts not worry about that any more, ok?   The larger issue, IMHO, as I and a few others have stated, is better governance and transparency in the decisons of our leaders. 

[Short Field]

Yes, thank you for making my point.

The CP stresses discipline, appearance, and military bearing.  The majority of our membership is involved in someway or shape with cadets.  Having a formal uniform which presents a proper example is a program requirement.

Which reg did I miss that requirement in?  Cite please as I really thought I owned all the required uniforms.

[Gunner C]

Every day I feel that CAP should just go Polo Shirts...

Your feelings and $.25 won't even get you a cup of coffee.  Just because some people wear it doesn't mean it's a good or even appropriate uniform for the particular event.

[Eclipse]

Yes, thank you for making my point.

The CP stresses discipline, appearance, and military bearing.  The majority of our membership is involved in someway or shape with cadets.  Having a formal uniform which presents a proper example is a program requirement.

Which reg did I miss that requirement in?  Cite please as I really thought I owned all the required uniforms.

You do if you own either blues or whites...

The rest has been asked and answered by me and others 6 times in this thread alone.

[lordmonar]

The mission is not about "looking good" or wearing fancy soldier suits.  IMHO people for whom those are paramount would be better off finding a good drum and bugle corps to join.  There you also get to wear hats with tall feathers on them.

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Since you agree so whole-heartedly, perhaps you can enlighten us as to what the mission is?

I don't think you want to go there.....

[lordmonar]

Yes, thank you for making my point.

The CP stresses discipline, appearance, and military bearing.  The majority of our membership is involved in someway or shape with cadets.  Having a formal uniform which presents a proper example is a program requirement.

The cadets have one....we are not talking about cadet uniforms at all.

[NCRblues]

So Eclipse, I have looked through this thread, and I just can't find any post or cite's of evidence that it is a requirement to posses, let alone the 6 times you say is in there. Actually, I believe the requirement to work with cadets is A uniform not a "formal" one. Please cite your information on this, as you like to say to others constantly.

[lordmonar]

Yet, contrary to eclipse's adamant posting, I can't find a single peace of actual evidence that cap-usaf or any air force leadership approved the CSU....

Do you access to NHQ's corrospondance?  HWSRN's E-mail records.  The fact is that corporate uniforms do not have to be approved by the USAF.  That they communicated their wishes to NHQ and NHQ made changes is an indication that they did approve of them.  They may have had some misgivings but they had little power to do anything.  HWSRN is gone now and they recommunicated their misgivings and the NEC acted on those.

If you are so all fired up about finding proof of authorisation......find something that says the USAF approved of the USAF style uniforms.

[NCRblues]

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here ya go
http://members.gocivilairpatrol.com/cap_national_hq/member_services/uniform_information/

"find something that says the USAF approved of the USAF style uniforms"
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