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Live2Learn
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« on: January 18, 2018, 04:23:14 PM »

While taxiing yesterday a (not CAP) C182T got blown over by an American Airlines aircraft on the runway.  How far should we stay back from a large transport category aircraft?  Yep, a long way.  See 70-1 at 9.10.4.3 for a minimum distance at taxi power.  I think I'd like a lot further separation if the transport aircraft is applying takeoff thrust.  :O   I can think of several scenarios where this could happen to the unwary Cessna pilot/aircrew at both towered and uncontrolled airports.  Details aren't available yet.


17-JAN-18

Time: 15:36:00Z
Regis#: N5330A
Aircraft Make: CESSNA
Aircraft Model: T182T
Event Type: INCIDENT
Highest Injury: NONE
Aircraft Missing: No
Damage: MINOR


LOCATION

City: PHOENIX
State: ARIZONA
Country: UNITED STATES


DESCRIPTION

 Description: AIRCRAFT BLOWN OVER BY AMERICAN AIRLINES FLIGHT 1709 A319 ON RUNWAY, STRUCK LEFT WING ON RUNWAY, PHOENIX AZ
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etodd
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« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2018, 11:11:23 PM »

I wonder if the C182 pilot had the ailerons 'into the wind' of the jet taking off? And the elevators in the proper position?

I think of that while taxiing, but not sure I always think of the wind coming off a jet, that may be in a different direction that surface winds.

If you can't stop on the parallel taxiway and wind up at the hold short line, it might a good idea to turn into the wind while waiting, so you are not 90 degrees to the jet's engines.
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PHall
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« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2018, 12:27:24 AM »

Another good reason to not crowd the Hold Line.
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TheSkyHornet
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« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2018, 11:31:25 AM »

Weather shows a fairly strong crosswind from ESE, and since they were using 7L, it makes perfect sense---plausible at least---that the thrust was blown to the Cessna sitting at the hold short, if it was holding on the north side of 7L.

IF that's the case, it's really not a matter of how close you're taxiing to an airliner, but where you're stopping in holding for departing traffic, as well as your angle to the runway. Sometimes perpendicular just isn't a good idea even though it seems perfectly logical based on airport layout.
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