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 21 
 on: Yesterday at 03:14:01 PM 
Started by jb512 - Last post by Eclipse
Interesting. So an AF astronaut, not otherwise rated, would qualify for the CAP observer badge? That's definitely an over-qualification.  ;)

No, he would wear his Astronaut wings or USAF observer badge.

Why would he want to reach for an equivalency when he's already got a badge for that space?

 22 
 on: Yesterday at 03:12:40 PM 
Started by Color Guard Rifleman - Last post by Eclipse
Cadets don't generally "apply" to be on CAC, they are appointed by their Unit CC to the body
and then work their way up through the echelons.

Any "application process" would be specific to your squadron or wing.

As to experience and grade, CAC is intended for CAP officers, and moving up
from Group to Wing to Region, etc., generally requires experience at a lower echelon.

NCOs are chosen when a unit does not have interested cadet officers but still wishes to
have representation and happens to have an exceptionally qualified and interested NCO cadet.

 23 
 on: Yesterday at 02:58:38 PM 
Started by jb512 - Last post by jb512
From Wikipedia:

United States Air Force Navigator Observer Badge.svg

The USAF awards observer ratings at three levels: Observer, Senior Observer, and Master Observer, for active duty officers and officers considered "rated assets" in the Air Reserve Components. The insignia is identical to USAF Navigator/CSO and is typically only awarded as an "observer" insignia with the Astronaut emblem to USAF officers who have completed training as NASA Mission Specialist Astronauts, have flown at least once in space in the Space Shuttle and/or served at the International Space Station, and are not otherwise rated as USAF Pilots or USAF Navigators/CSOs. The following additional criteria are required to be rated as a USAF Observer:

Not directly related to CAP's concept of an "Observer" but the USAF rating does exist.

Interesting. So an AF astronaut, not otherwise rated, would qualify for the CAP observer badge? That's definitely an over-qualification.  ;)

 24 
 on: Yesterday at 02:45:49 PM 
Started by jb512 - Last post by ol'fido
From Wikipedia:

United States Air Force Navigator Observer Badge.svg

The USAF awards observer ratings at three levels: Observer, Senior Observer, and Master Observer, for active duty officers and officers considered "rated assets" in the Air Reserve Components. The insignia is identical to USAF Navigator/CSO and is typically only awarded as an "observer" insignia with the Astronaut emblem to USAF officers who have completed training as NASA Mission Specialist Astronauts, have flown at least once in space in the Space Shuttle and/or served at the International Space Station, and are not otherwise rated as USAF Pilots or USAF Navigators/CSOs. The following additional criteria are required to be rated as a USAF Observer:

Not directly related to CAP's concept of an "Observer" but the USAF rating does exist.

 25 
 on: Yesterday at 02:43:44 PM 
Started by jb512 - Last post by jb512
Looking at the national commander he has AF command pilot wings and basic CAP pilot wings so if he's not utilizing the reg then there's our example.

Maj Gen Smith retired from the USAF as a Colonel.

He's not using an equivalency, he's simply wearing the wings he earned in the Air Force.

Correct. And he did not ask for an equivalency from his AF rating for his CAP wings, they are basic.

 26 
 on: Yesterday at 02:41:53 PM 
Started by Color Guard Rifleman - Last post by Color Guard Rifleman
I had recently applied for my wing/region CAC. I knew that I was going to no get chosen but I still wanted to apply. What experience/rank would you recommend that I have to apply for CAC? How likely does it happen a NCO is chosen for CAC?

 27 
 on: Yesterday at 02:32:43 PM 
Started by jb512 - Last post by Eclipse
Looking at the national commander he has AF command pilot wings and basic CAP pilot wings so if he's not utilizing the reg then there's our example.

Maj Gen Smith retired from the USAF as a Colonel.

He's not using an equivalency, he's simply wearing the wings he earned in the Air Force.


 28 
 on: Yesterday at 02:16:06 PM 
Started by jb512 - Last post by jb512
No, I think it's best to leave the quals and badges to the respective issuing authority and not try to cross them over. I did get my answer and it makes sense.

Looking at the national commander he has AF command pilot wings and basic CAP pilot wings so if he's not utilizing the reg then there's our example.

 29 
 on: Yesterday at 02:10:03 PM 
Started by stratocaster29 - Last post by jb512
I'm not advocating that we start wearing the bags at meetings or even change what seems to be a common interpretation of the regulation. I just think it is interesting that there is almost an anti-aircrew sentiment in an organization that has flying as an integral component of its mission. This is the only service that cares so much about this issue compared to other services including military, law enforcement, medical, etc. Every branch or agency that has rated flyers consider the flight suit their duty uniform whether they are flying that day or not.

CAP doesn't even need the flight suit - the rest of the GA world flies in shorts and t-shirts.
Nomex in a Cessna is a silly affectation, and there is no statistical basis for it to be considered a
factor in reducing GA injuries, because thankfully there aren't enough GA crashes that include both
fire and Nomex.

CAP doesn't have a "duty uniform".  It does have an MBU, which is whites.

CAP doesn't issue uniforms to adults, nor compensate them for the purchase, therefore
they can't have a "duty uniform" (despite the assertion by 39-1 that a CC can set any UOD).

Expecting people to dress properly and leave the tactical onsie at home when it's inappropriate
for the activity isn't "anti-aircrew" it's "pro appearance and common sense".

However if there is an "anti-aircrew bias" look to the behavior of the "zipper-suited sun gods"
who in many cases disregard not only uniform but other CAP protocols and policies, including height and grooming,
not to mention wearing the same bag they bought 20 years ago, including the wrong insignia and coffee stains.

The argument against the flight suit could be made for more than just GA. It's not usually the fire that kills you, it's the sudden impact prior to the fire.

I get it, it's a mentality that some are better than others or think that the rules don't apply for whatever reason. That is not limited just to CAP, trust me. It's just interesting to me that the flight suit is the only one where so many people scream "No! Never to our squadron meetings!" when it's just another uniform hanging in the closet.

I was always politely informed that the reason for the fire bag is so that you can be properly identified after the crash, not to protect you from dying during a crash and the subsequent fire. lol.

But the May Authorize is in regards to those without qualifications.... for those who have them, there are no restrictions.

That said, and as I stated above... don't be that toolbag.

From what I understand I think the dog tags will be all that's identifiable at that point, but it's a good possibility!  8)

I concede that it can be looked at from both perspectives - what we can determine from the verbiage and what could be seen as the intent. The common thread though is always... don't be that toolbag.

 30 
 on: Yesterday at 02:08:20 PM 
Started by jb512 - Last post by lordmonar
Well......you got your answer.

Yes.   Some USAF aircrew positions might qualify for a CAP service waiver for the observer wings.

Write up the request.  Send it up the chain to NHQ for approval/disapproval.

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