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#11
Uniforms & Awards / Re: future CAP OCP uniform: b...
Last post by SarDragon - March 24, 2024, 11:38:59 AM
Quote from: Shuman 14 on March 22, 2024, 07:40:47 PM
Quoteembroidered cadet enlisted insignia

They might be cheaper in the long run and less likely to get damaged on a field uniform.

Possibly cheaper, but a WHOLE lot less convenient. We had sew-on rank WIWAC, and it was a real pain, even considering the less frequent promotion intervals. The sewing jobs were inconsistent, and positioning was hit and miss.

On top of that, the sew-on stripes weren't as reusable as the pin-on rank. Once sewn on, washed a few times, and given an ironed-in crease, they weren't easily removed and reused on another cadet's uniform.
#12
Uniforms & Awards / Re: future CAP OCP uniform: b...
Last post by supertigerCH - March 24, 2024, 03:10:42 AM
Quote from: NIN on March 22, 2024, 06:44:57 PM
Quote from: Shuman 14 on March 22, 2024, 04:06:26 PMThat being said, we already have everything we need to transition to OCPs. Nametape, CAP-Tape, and Rank patch all exist in Silver on Blue with Velcro.

Basically, this.

There's almost no need to create any more SKUs unless we go with embroidered cadet enlisted insginia.  We have 98+% of it already.


this is very true!
#13
Uniforms & Awards / Re: future CAP OCP uniform: b...
Last post by HandsomeWalt_USMC - March 24, 2024, 01:27:15 AM
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but cadet rank is sold in pairs, yes? So unless a cadet has a goretex as well as a fleece, they're paying for two additional pins, one pair, instead of buying one single embroidered insignia. This just seems like a sensible change we could make with the OCP transition. Cadets could purchase the exact amount of insignia they need for various garments. Don't mind me, just thinking out loud now.
#14
Uniforms & Awards / Re: future CAP OCP uniform: b...
Last post by PHall - March 23, 2024, 10:45:22 PM
Where I have seen the blank square used with metal grade insignia usually the pins were bent over.
Yes one time use but the danger of injury is much less.
#15
Uniforms & Awards / Re: future CAP OCP uniform: b...
Last post by HandsomeWalt_USMC - March 23, 2024, 09:04:32 PM
I've never understood the blank rank square. They could have pinned directly to the velcro OR offered embroidered cadet enlisted rank insignia with ease. Yeah, it's one more thing for Cadets to buy but it's not a massive expense.
#16
Uniforms & Awards / Re: future CAP OCP uniform: b...
Last post by NIN - March 23, 2024, 06:26:30 PM
Quote from: Shuman 14 on March 22, 2024, 07:40:47 PMThey might be cheaper in the long run and less likely to get damaged on a field uniform.

And pinning metal cadet rank on a blank tab that's then going to be attached directly over your sternum? Ehhhh. I think there's better ways to do that.
 
#17
Uniforms & Awards / Re: future CAP OCP uniform: b...
Last post by supertigerCH - March 22, 2024, 10:03:53 PM
Quote from: HandsomeWalt_USMC on March 22, 2024, 03:13:20 PMThis has been beat to death both here and on reddit. The proposal is at HQAF working its way through channels. It will be whatever the proposal says+whatever changes HQAF dictates. Just be patient and see what comes down the pike.


@HandsomeWalt: 


Agree with this completely!  Whatever is worked out & decided upon... we will wear. 

Just sharing ideas & thoughts.  (noticed it on a website while surfing the internet)


priority when it comes to uniforms... is utility.  the precise colors (or shades of colors) are almost always a secondary detail... especially for a civilian / non-combat entity such as Civil Air Patrol. 

(Personally, for outdoor work... I'm a fan of the same clothes that I wear to go camping or fishing)


#18
Uniforms & Awards / Re: future CAP OCP uniform: b...
Last post by Shuman 14 - March 22, 2024, 07:40:47 PM
Quoteembroidered cadet enlisted insignia

They might be cheaper in the long run and less likely to get damaged on a field uniform.
#19
Uniforms & Awards / Re: future CAP OCP uniform: b...
Last post by NIN - March 22, 2024, 06:44:57 PM
Quote from: Shuman 14 on March 22, 2024, 04:06:26 PMThat being said, we already have everything we need to transition to OCPs. Nametape, CAP-Tape, and Rank patch all exist in Silver on Blue with Velcro.

Basically, this.

There's almost no need to create any more SKUs unless we go with embroidered cadet enlisted insginia.  We have 98+% of it already.
#20
Uniforms & Awards / Re: future CAP OCP uniform: b...
Last post by Shuman 14 - March 22, 2024, 04:06:26 PM
Walt, don't stop me mid-swing, I'm trying to hit the horse, it's not dead enough!  ;D

That being said, we already have everything we need to transition to OCPs. Nametape, CAP-Tape, and Rank patch all exist in Silver on Blue with Velcro.

Full-color Flag and most CAP Patches exist with Velcro as well.

Sew-on Rank and Badges in Silver on Blue, again, already exist as well.

The only thing HQ-USAF needs to dictate is tee-shirt color (Coyote, Black or Dark Navy-blue) and boot color (Coyote, Black or both).

Any of the options laid out will look fine and professional, yet provide a clear differentiation from our counterparts in the USAF.