House votes on military uniforms

[jimmydeanno]

the Marines American People spent the money ...

FTFY

[abdsp51]

The Army initially used ACUs in Afghanistan until it decided that its new camouflage pattern wasn't good enough and developed and isssued the MultiCam instead.

Sorry but the Army didn't develop Multicam it had already been on the market and was adopted.

[MIKE]

The Army initially used ACUs in Afghanistan until it decided that its new camouflage pattern wasn't good enough and developed and isssued the MultiCam instead.

Sorry but the Army didn't develop Multicam it had already been on the market and was adopted.

It is derived from a pattern developed by Crye for the Army.

[NorCal21]

I think that if the Marines believe this is a problem they've got a somewhat inflated view of how much the general public thinks about Marine Corps uniforms.

I think you misunderstood me. Its not about the uniforms, its about confusing non-Marines as being Marines. I'd say, from personal experience, that Marines tend to be more fit than the other branches. This is due to the ridiculous, required PT amount. This isn't to say that other servicemembers aren't in shape, just not as a rule to Marine Corps standards. I like standing apart as a Marine.

Now the grooming and fitness issues I'm speaking of may not matter to the general public as much as it does to the Corps, but that's the point. The Marine regulations for the uniforms are based on how the Corps perceives itself, and how it wants to be perceived by others.

[NorCal21]

The Army initially used ACUs in Afghanistan until it decided that its new camouflage pattern wasn't good enough and developed and isssued the MultiCam instead.

Sorry but the Army didn't develop Multicam it had already been on the market and was adopted.

Correct. The Multicam was one of the six or seven patterns tested by the Army. ACU was Army developed, Multicam was another company. As I said in another post, the Army went with the ACU because it was the cheapest.

[Patterson]

I'd say, from personal experience, that Marines tend to be more fit than the other branches. This is due to the ridiculous, required PT amount. This isn't to say that other servicemembers aren't in shape, just not as a rule to Marine Corps standards. I like standing apart as a Marine.

hahahahahahahahahahaha....brainwashed much?  Of all the military services, the average Marine scores lower on aptitude and academic tests.  The DUI rate in the Marine Corps is 7% grater than any other service.  The Marine Corps also ranks first in domestic abuse and physical assaults DoD wide!  Marines certainly are standing apart!!

I hate to break the news to you, but being a Marine is not that special.  I understand this concept goes against everything the recruiting commercials and your Drill Sergeant may have told you, but it might be time for a wakeup call.

[RiverAux]

I think that if the Marines believe this is a problem they've got a somewhat inflated view of how much the general public thinks about Marine Corps uniforms.

I think you misunderstood me. Its not about the uniforms, its about confusing non-Marines as being Marines. I'd say, from personal experience, that Marines tend to be more fit than the other branches. This is due to the ridiculous, required PT amount. This isn't to say that other servicemembers aren't in shape, just not as a rule to Marine Corps standards. I like standing apart as a Marine.

Now the grooming and fitness issues I'm speaking of may not matter to the general public as much as it does to the Corps, but that's the point. The Marine regulations for the uniforms are based on how the Corps perceives itself, and how it wants to be perceived by others.

I don't think I misunderstood you at all -- You're saying that the Corps is worried that people will think fatties from other services are actually Marines if they were wearing marine pattern fatigues.  I'm saying that 99% of the general public can't tell what service uses what camo pattern and the Marines are worrying about something that wouldn't take place. 

Everyone knows that anyone in camo is in the Army.  (Joking). But, seriously, even back when the BDU was standard for everyone, I never heard of any CAP members (for example) being taken for anything other than Army soldiers (even those that were fit enough looking to be in the service).

[NIN]

Of all the military services, the average Marine scores lower on aptitude and academic tests.

Cite please?

I know people from all four branches.  Each service has its share of "durrrr" troops. Including the Air Force. (most of them are in SF, even) <ducks as Stonewall throws something his way>

That being said, most of the Marines I know are pretty mentally on the ball.  Hell, we have one Marine right here with a Masters degree.

And some of the scores I'm hearing about people getting these days on the ASVAB were considered "Non-qual" when I enlisted, so again, the services have their knuckleheads, too.  Of course, those are the people being food service specialists, mortuary affairs specialists, paint & barnacle scrapers, etc.

[stillamarine]

I'd say, from personal experience, that Marines tend to be more fit than the other branches. This is due to the ridiculous, required PT amount. This isn't to say that other servicemembers aren't in shape, just not as a rule to Marine Corps standards. I like standing apart as a Marine.

hahahahahahahahahahaha....brainwashed much?  Of all the military services, the average Marine scores lower on aptitude and academic tests.  The DUI rate in the Marine Corps is 7% grater than any other service.  The Marine Corps also ranks first in domestic abuse and physical assaults DoD wide!  Marines certainly are standing apart!!

I hate to break the news to you, but being a Marine is not that special.  I understand this concept goes against everything the recruiting commercials and your Drill Sergeant may have told you, but it might be time for a wakeup call.

Yeah let's see some cite on that. You're throwing statistics out I want proof. I scored a 94 on the asvab. Could have any job I wanted in the military. I wanted to be a Marine. I knew many Marines with degrees even advanced degrees that were infantry because they wanted to be. As far as the pride? I have worked with every branch of the military and in my current job work with reservists and veterans from all branches and only the Marines (for the most part)  have the pride that I think all branches should have.

[abdsp51]

Each service has its share of "durrrr" troops. Including the Air Force. (most of them are in SF, even) <ducks as Stonewall throws something his way>

The bulk of the durr troops in the AF I have come across tend to be mx folks and and air trans folks.  Even now in my current job it's mx that has most of the durr folks.  And that's based off the daily interactions with them in my current AFSC and spending 12 years as  a Defender.

[NorCal21]

I'd say, from personal experience, that Marines tend to be more fit than the other branches. This is due to the ridiculous, required PT amount. This isn't to say that other servicemembers aren't in shape, just not as a rule to Marine Corps standards. I like standing apart as a Marine.

hahahahahahahahahahaha....brainwashed much?  Of all the military services, the average Marine scores lower on aptitude and academic tests.  The DUI rate in the Marine Corps is 7% grater than any other service.  The Marine Corps also ranks first in domestic abuse and physical assaults DoD wide!  Marines certainly are standing apart!!

I hate to break the news to you, but being a Marine is not that special.  I understand this concept goes against everything the recruiting commercials and your Drill Sergeant may have told you, but it might be time for a wakeup call.

1. You're making something personal where it wasn't. Thanks for pointing out the failures of many Marines. Must feel nice to tear people down. Notice that when I said Marines stand out I did so by not saying the other services were fat and nasty? Notice I was talking about PT and you went off on a completely nonrelated issue. Also, if you're going to bash a branch of service I'd ask you provide any evidence to support your numbers or I'll just chalk it up to bias.

2. I was talking completely about appearances dealing with the uniforms. You completely strayed off topic to bash the Marines on conduct issues. Nice. Conduct has nothing to do with how someone appears in uniform. Jack Nicholson looked amazing in his Service Dress Alphas while on the stand admitting to having ordered the code red.

3. Marines don't have drill sargeants. They're called Drill Instructors.

[NorCal21]

I think that if the Marines believe this is a problem they've got a somewhat inflated view of how much the general public thinks about Marine Corps uniforms.

I think you misunderstood me. Its not about the uniforms, its about confusing non-Marines as being Marines. I'd say, from personal experience, that Marines tend to be more fit than the other branches. This is due to the ridiculous, required PT amount. This isn't to say that other servicemembers aren't in shape, just not as a rule to Marine Corps standards. I like standing apart as a Marine.

Now the grooming and fitness issues I'm speaking of may not matter to the general public as much as it does to the Corps, but that's the point. The Marine regulations for the uniforms are based on how the Corps perceives itself, and how it wants to be perceived by others.

I don't think I misunderstood you at all -- You're saying that the Corps is worried that people will think fatties from other services are actually Marines if they were wearing marine pattern fatigues.  I'm saying that 99% of the general public can't tell what service uses what camo pattern and the Marines are worrying about something that wouldn't take place. 

Everyone knows that anyone in camo is in the Army.  (Joking). But, seriously, even back when the BDU was standard for everyone, I never heard of any CAP members (for example) being taken for anything other than Army soldiers (even those that were fit enough looking to be in the service).

No worries. I think I misunderstood you than by the way you worded your response. Either which way, as I said its not what the public actually thinks. Its what the Marine Corps wants to present to the public.

I think its the same for how we see ourselves versus how people really see us. We're much harder on ourselves than the average person we walk by on the street.

[ol'fido]

The author Dick Couch(who was a Navy SEAL) says in one of his books that by and large most special operators don't argue about who is tougher. There may be some good natured joshing and one upsmanship, but for the most part, these guys recognize that everyone has their niche and that there are some really sharp operators in all the services. You can be a 11B with a PhD or a AF fighter pilot that eats his own boogers.

It's the man not the uniform or the unit.