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• Big cup of coffee - check
• Biscotti - check

• Coffee - check
• Donut - check

Anyone else getting really slow page loads on CAP Talk?

Quote from: MIKE on August 09, 2007, 01:15:25 PM
Anyone else getting really slow page loads on CAP Talk?

I am.  You getting video feed?

I'm getting a "server is busy" error....think there's a lot of interest today?!

Same here "Server is busy."   No video

Exteremly slow at CAPTalk.

Cherry Coke - Check
Bag of Doritos - Check

Let the fireworks begin!

Quote from: JC004 on August 09, 2007, 01:22:27 PM

Quote from: MIKE on August 09, 2007, 01:15:25 PM
Anyone else getting really slow page loads on CAP Talk?

I am.  You getting video feed?

Not yet.

Quote from: MIKE on August 09, 2007, 01:15:25 PM
Anyone else getting really slow page loads on CAP Talk?

yessssss...  funnnnnnyyyy... youuuuuu... shouuuuuld... aaasssssssk...

I am getting "unable to connect to server" message on both my computers (in case it was on my end).   Anybody getting video at all from ATL?   /gene

Quote from: JC004 on August 09, 2007, 12:57:50 PM

• Coffee - check
• Donut - check

16oz. can of Monster energy - check
Foraging for snacks around the office - pending...

Unable to connect to server.   :-\

I can't connect either.  Anyone trying CNN pipeline?  Maybe they'll get it I mean it is down the street.

Quote from: genejackson on August 09, 2007, 01:28:32 PM
I am getting "unable to connect to server" message on both my computers (in case it was on my end).   Anybody getting video at all from ATL?   /gene

I've tried both my work computer and my PDA and can't get the video.  Also CAPTalk is really slow loading

I emailed Ryan Easterling about it.   He is their IT guy for this thing.   Did anyone see him getting into a black van?

GRRRR.  We need a correspondent!

Quote from: Al Sayre on August 09, 2007, 01:31:36 PM

Quote from: genejackson on August 09, 2007, 01:28:32 PM
I am getting "unable to connect to server" message on both my computers (in case it was on my end).   Anybody getting video at all from ATL?   /gene

I've tried both my work computer and my PDA and can't get the video.  Also CAPTalk is really slow loading

Same here

Maybe Pineda was supposed to bring the camera?  There was a message on the CAP-COMM listserv yesterday about they anticipating no feed for the comm meeting.   ???

Ok, my biscotti is gone and my travel mug of NATO Standard is almost gone... Still no feed.

Quote from: MIKE on August 09, 2007, 01:45:26 PM
Ok, my biscotti is gone and my travel mug of NATO Standard is almost gone... Still no feed.

Time to begin text messaging your national board members?

^ feed me!

I've already gone through my first cup of coffeee, walked the dog, fed the son, and about to pay some bills.  No feed here either, although Captalk seems fine.

Just goes to show, we can do all this great stuff but we can't get a simple web camera to work.

NATO Standard now gone... Still no feed.

It figures, Im somewere were the internet speed is faster than 56 k and NO FEED!  Oh well......I'll go make more coffee.  how many scoops is NATO standard??

Down to one third of my first cup; still no feed.  Maybe I should try to connect.

Quote from: MIKE on August 09, 2007, 02:02:26 PM
NATO Standard now gone... Still no feed.

Maybe we could get someone up there with a laptop to start a stealth feed to CAPTalk using the hotels wifi...

wouldn't be a bad idea.

CONSPIRACY!!!!! That or they forgot to plug the server into the wall socket.. >:D

I just sent an email to my WG/CC, hopefully he's got his PDA on... told him to let them know the feed was down and the natives are getting restless...

Quote from: Al Sayre on August 09, 2007, 02:12:03 PM
I just sent an email to my WG/CC, hopefully he's got his PDA on... told him to let them know the feed was down and the natives are getting restless...

Is that war drums I hear??

According to my sources, the host hotel is charging guests $12.00 per day to use their internet sources..I find that ridiculous considering the prices of the rooms..

Harry, drive over to the hotel and give us a play by play.  ;D

What a rip off!  Oh well, I once stayed in a 4 star hotel in Orlando FL on business that didn't even have basic cable... for the price of the room, they should have sent up live entertainment!

I've just returned from the hotel, was there Tuesday and Wednesday for the PAO Academy.  It's $12.95 a day.

Dr. Dave

Quote from: capchiro on August 09, 2007, 02:14:12 PM
According to my sources, the host hotel is charging guests $12.00 per day to use their internet sources..I find that ridiculous considering the prices of the rooms..

At least that is up front.  Wait till they check out and find out that parking is $20.00 per day.

Ah nothing like a closed door meeting.  Acting with cloak and dagger.  Me thinks me hear a voice cry, "sleep no more" ah this doth murder sleep.

This just in from National: 

"Due to the overwhelming amount of viewers, we are currently increasing our bandwidth.  Please be patient."

Quote from: genejackson on August 09, 2007, 02:27:37 PM
This just in from National: 

"Due to the overwhelming amount of viewers, we are currently increasing our bandwidth.  Please be patient."

Overwhelming??? Ya Think??

Quote from: genejackson on August 09, 2007, 02:27:37 PM
This just in from National: 

"Due to the overwhelming amount of viewers, we are currently increasing our bandwidth.  Please be patient."

They didn't forsee this coming with everything going on this week?

Ok, I think this board is already growing faster than "National Commander Suspened"

And it just keeps on  coming...

http://www.airforcetimes.com/news/2007/08/ap_generalsuspended_070809/

My phone is ringing off the hook this morning by people in my Group wanting to know what the devil is going on after the email from Amy sent out last night and the inability to see the video feeds.....

Quote from: NERMA002 Safety on August 09, 2007, 02:33:01 PM

Quote from: genejackson on August 09, 2007, 02:27:37 PM
This just in from National: 

"Due to the overwhelming amount of viewers, we are currently increasing our bandwidth.  Please be patient."

They didn't forsee this coming with everything going on this week?

even by watching this forum and getting the idea?  we know their spies watch us here, so they should have known we'd be all over the non-existent feed

Quote from: genejackson on August 09, 2007, 02:39:32 PM
My phone is ringing off the hook this morning by people in my Group wanting to know what the devil is going on after the email from Amy sent out last night and the inability to see the video feeds.....

e-mail?

With the feed not available, now I'm glad I didn't get up at 0600 to watch the thing!

MEMORANDUM FOR ALL CAP MEMBERS

FROM: CAP/CV

SUBJECT: Civil Air Patrol's Continuity

It is with regret that I inform you that the Board of Governors has suspended the National Commander, Major General Antonio J. Pineda, pending an investigation. This is standard procedure in situations involving investigations. Let me make this clear, Major General Pineda has NOT been removed and I am only the Acting Commander, because our constitution provides for continuity during times such as this when our Commander is not available.

I am asking each of you to not speculate or discuss this issue internally or externally out of respect for Major General Pineda and CAP.

This year's annual conference theme is "Citizens Serving Communities" and our duty is to serve these citizens and assist them. While we will have some program changes at the conference, it will go on as planned. I look forward to seeing you in person or for those that cannot make it; I hope you will invest the time to watch us on the internet.

I have confidence that each of you will continue to do your job professionally. It is in difficult times like these that a person's true character shows and I know that we have the right people in CAP to accomplish our missions. We are capable, with your service, to carry on in the finest tradition of our organization. Our plans have already been set, and we expect no major changes.

During times such as these, it is easy to overlook safety. We must remember to continue performing the CAP missions in our normal capable, professional and, above all, safe manner.

AMY S. COURTER

Brigadier General, CAP

National Vice Commander

You would think they would learn about having secret meetings.  The last one I remember is when they canned and demoted General Bergman at Bowling's instigation.  Most of you here probably weren't privy to the behind the scenes machinations, but they got severely slam-dunked by the Air Force for that one.  Notice that Bergman is still a Brigadier, and last time I checked he was on the BOG.  Having meetings in secret is usually because you are doing something a little unsavory.

Quote from: JC004 on August 09, 2007, 02:41:02 PM

e-mail?

Yes.  E-mail is a wonderful invention by Al Gore that allows you to send messages from your computer to other people on the "Information Super Highway."  But, be warned, Congress wants to charge you a dime for every message you send!

Anyone able to get in yet?

Quote from: TankerT on August 09, 2007, 02:44:01 PM

Quote from: JC004 on August 09, 2007, 02:41:02 PM

e-mail?

Yes.  E-mail is a wonderful invention by Al Gore that allows you to send messages from your computer to other people on the "Information Super Highway."  But, be warned, Congress wants to charge you a dime for every message you send!

I will be sure to check out this innovation.

QuoteI am asking each of you to not speculate or discuss this issue internally or externally out of respect for Major General Pineda and CAP.

I have a great deal of respect for General Coulter and for CAP, but I have known Tony for the twenty years he has been in CAP and I have absolutely ZERO respect for him.  I will now stifle myself, but it is out of my respect for General Courter and CAP.

Maybe they will get the bandwidth and the feed ready by Saturday afternoon. CAP members don't have a need to know what the National Board does anyway.

just wait until the minutes are published next march...

Quote from: BillB on August 09, 2007, 02:59:22 PM
Maybe they will get the bandwidth and the feed ready by Saturday afternoon. CAP members don't have a need to know what the National Board does anyway.

Advocating governance in secret, then?   ;D

Jack

N.O.T.F. :   "At the CAP's National Board meeting in Atlanta this morning, the board has already gone into a closed session.  Sources say that although the closed meeting is going on, there is "no screaming or hollering" that can be heard, sources say.  Meanwhile, sources say that Pineda has offered to resign quietly if he is allowed to keep his general's stars. "

I know a lot of you guys don't credit News of the Force, but they have a reporter at the National Boards that reports that they just went into closed session, and so far no screaming and hollering can be heard.

So how long till we hear of anything?

Quote from: NERMA002 Safety on August 09, 2007, 03:23:44 PM
So how long till we hear of anything?

I hope we'll get something when they go to lunch

QuoteMeanwhile, sources say that Pineda has offered to resign quietly if he is allowed to keep his general's stars. "

Funny.  That is almost exactly what happened when General Bergman braced him for using his office as Wing Commander to settle personal scores.  He became "former Wing Commander" after a very short tenure, but he kept his eagles.  I guess we know what it is that floats his boat.

The last time I checked we have to pay dues to belong to this volunteer corporate orgainzation.

With all due respect to Ms. Courter and CAP, I will continue to speculate and discuss whatever I wish whith whom I wish.

Need to know about NB proceedings? Once again,I am dues paying member member.

Ken Freeman, LtCol (CAP)

Quote from: Skyray on August 09, 2007, 03:27:22 PM

QuoteMeanwhile, sources say that Pineda has offered to resign quietly if he is allowed to keep his general's stars. "

Funny.  That is almost exactly what happened when General Bergman braced him for using his office as Wing Commander to settle personal scores.  He became "former Wing Commander" after a very short tenure, but he kept his eagles.  I guess we know what it is that floats his boat.

Doug, knock it off.

As mush as I'd rather see him removed for violating the BoG Instructions with that letter saying he would be attending, if him retiring puts an end to this quicker then so be it.  If this gets dragged out any longer that would look horrible for us if it actually gets picked up by national print or Televison.  Right now while it is on credible news sites it hasn't been in print as far as we've seen which is one good thing.

QuoteDoug, knock it off.

I guess I am stupid, but I need more specific information.  If you doubt the facts of what I posted, they are a matter of record.  If you object to my opinion, I am entitled to my opinion just as you are entitled to yours.

The problem is that this whole line of conversation derailed our entire community from our professional code of conduct.  Airing specific people's dirty laundry, for lack of a better description, is not something we want to allow... whether that person is C/AB Snuffy at the Podunk Cadet Squadron or the National Commander.

Unfortunately, with something of this scale it warrants discussion but it becomes infinitely more difficult for us to draw that line.

Quote from: Pylon on August 09, 2007, 03:46:48 PM
The problem is that this whole line of conversation derailed our entire community from our professional code of conduct.  Airing specific people's dirty laundry, for lack of a better description, is not something we want to allow... whether that person is C/AB Snuffy at the Podunk Cadet Squadron or the National Commander.
...

Hey, don't pick on Cadet Snuffy - he's new!

Grrrr.  I want my video feed.

^ I will trade you one video feed for one tastykake!

THIS JUST IN FROM MY WING CV.........
***Civil Air Patrol Michigan Wing - From Many, One!   Leading Each Other to New
Heights!"***
An update from National Boards

I have just heard from Col Saile, he passed on the following 3 items

1.    Brig Gen Amy Courter has been reelected as the National Vice
Commander.--Yeah

2.   Term extensions for National CC, Region CCs, and Wing CCs has been
defeated.

3.   Due to the high demand for viewing the National Boards online they
are attempting to increase the Bandwidth to handle the demand.

As updates come in I'll keep you informed.

Curtis J Boehmer, Lt Col, CAP
MI WG/CV

Quote from: MajorChuck on August 09, 2007, 04:09:10 PM
THIS JUST IN FROM MY WING CV.........
***Civil Air Patrol Michigan Wing - From Many, One!   Leading Each Other to New
Heights!"***
An update from National Boards

I have just heard from Col Saile, he passed on the following 3 items

1.    Brig Gen Amy Courter has been reelected as the National Vice
Commander.--Yeah

2.   Term extensions for National CC, Region CCs, and Wing CCs has been
defeated.

3.   Due to the high demand for viewing the National Boards online they
are attempting to increase the Bandwidth to handle the demand.

As updates come in I'll keep you informed.

Curtis J Boehmer, Lt Col, CAP
MI WG/CV

Nice!  Maybe after lunch we'll hear about MG Pineda's fate

Quote from: NERMA002 Safety on August 09, 2007, 04:11:27 PM
Nice!  Maybe after lunch we'll hear about MG Pineda's fate

I'm doubting it. My guess is, after all that, things will be 'status quo' until everything in Atlanta is over and done with. For everyone in attendance there, I'm sure that will quell everyone's nerves.

Thanks for the clarification, Pylon.  Earlier I said I was going to stifle myself out of respect for Brigadier General Courter.  I guess that I was a little slow in doing it.  Sometimes a little hard when it is such a personal subject.  <auto-stifle on>

Quote from: MajorChuck on August 09, 2007, 04:09:10 PM
THIS JUST IN FROM MY WING CV.........
***Civil Air Patrol Michigan Wing - From Many, One!   Leading Each Other to New
Heights!"***
An update from National Boards

I have just heard from Col Saile, he passed on the following 3 items

1.    Brig Gen Amy Courter has been reelected as the National Vice
Commander.--Yeah

2.   Term extensions for National CC, Region CCs, and Wing CCs has been
defeated.

3.   Due to the high demand for viewing the National Boards online they
are attempting to increase the Bandwidth to handle the demand.

As updates come in I'll keep you informed.

Curtis J Boehmer, Lt Col, CAP
MI WG/CV

Good news all around

I am glad to see TERM EXTENSIONS defeated.  Without TP there......his "stacked deck" most likely felt foolish voting for something he was making them vote for.  

Remember, it is the BOG that is working the current situation, not the NB.  Unless the BOG has a special meeting in Atlanta, I doubt it will be resolved.

I think that if they did anything this weekend, it would create an uproar at the conference, which I would think they want to avoid. 

But, I could be wrong.

And yet there is the report that Gen. Pineda is trying to work out a deal to retire quietly -- but keep his rank.

The same report says, however, that he will be fortunate to even remain a member of CAP in any capacity when it is all over.

I don't vouch for the veracity of the reports; I just pass 'em on, as any good newscaster would do.

Jack

If they do let him retire could we hear it from this afternoon's session? Or is this something that could come down the pipe next week? 

If he does exit the program in one way or another when would there be a vote for a new National CC?  And who would most likely get the top job?

Quote from: NERMA002 Safety on August 09, 2007, 04:24:46 PM
If he does exit the program in one way or another when would there be a vote for a new National CC?  And who would most likely get the top job?

I'm not sure about how quickly a new CC vote would be taken, but if he exits completely, Gen. Courter moves up to CC, having just been re-elected to the CV slot.  Then they'd have to vote on a new CV at their earliest opportunity.  (That and confirm Gen. Courter by vote -- that would get her a second star.)

Jack

Quote from: Skyray on August 09, 2007, 02:43:49 PM
Most of you here probably weren't privy to the behind the scenes machinations, but...

I've always liked the word "machinations".

 ;D Lack of bandwidth!

I got up like a good little boy at 0550 CA time and turned on all the fine electronic equipment I was up until 0100 setting up so I could record the proceedings. Fat chance! I went back to bed.

I'm still getting a "... cannot connect to the server." message at 0939. Irritating at best.

BG Courter doesn't move up to CC, she just becomes the acting CC, and remains the Vice.

They need to allow people to apply, with the deadline 90 days prior to the election.  All the resume packets are then mailed to the NB members.  Thus, I would think the earliest we would have a new National Commander, if MG Pineda steps down/removed would be March of 08.

Plain and simple.  Same way Pineda became the Nat. Commander, after MG Wheless (sp?) resigned.

Quote from: TankerT on August 09, 2007, 04:45:43 PM
BG Courter doesn't move up to CC, she just becomes the acting CC, and remains the Vice.

They need to allow people to apply, with the deadline 90 days prior to the election.  All the resume packets are then mailed to the NB members.  Thus, I would think the earliest we would have a new National Commander, if MG Pineda steps down/removed would be March of 08.

Plain and simple.  Same way Pineda became the Nat. Commander, after MG Wheless (sp?) resigned.

So for the right now all that changes is MG Pineda's face and name come off of everything.  ? 

Quote from: NERMA002 Safety on August 09, 2007, 04:57:15 PM
So for the right now all that changes is MG Pineda's face and name come off of everything.  ? 

For right now, no... as he is still the National Commander.

Feed still Down. . . . . >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(  video stream down (http://www.capchannel.com/live_web_stream)

Quote from: TankerT on August 09, 2007, 05:06:51 PM

Quote from: NERMA002 Safety on August 09, 2007, 04:57:15 PM
So for the right now all that changes is MG Pineda's face and name come off of everything.  ? 

For right now, no... as he is still the National Commander.

But he's suspened and BG Courter is Acting National Commander.

Quote from: NERMA002 Safety on August 09, 2007, 04:57:15 PM
So for the right now all that changes is MG Pineda's face and name come off of everything.  ? 

No, he's not been removed from office.  Just a reminder here folks, amid all the rumors and speculation - what we know to be true is only that Maj Gen Pineda has been suspended as part of an investigation.  This does not equate to guilt, this does not mean it is a punishment or adverse membership action like a demotion or a removal from office, and it does not mean that we have a new National Commander.

While we can speculate (though we've been asked not to) what might follow, as of now with the information available, we're not taking Maj Gen Pineda's name off anything just yet.  The allegations could be found to be false, and Maj Gen Pineda's membership reinstated.

In the meantime, he is still Maj Gen Pineda, and is still due the courtesy and respect we would give to anybody who fills that office - regardless of our personal opinion of him.  Following my reminder this morning, let's act like professionals, people.  This is a public, professional venue, not the Civil Air Patrol water cooler.

 
2007 National Board and Annual Conference
Live Web Stream Schedule

HOT

Due to the overwhelming amount of viewers

Who are these viewers? Obviously nobody on CAPTalk

Quote from: NERMA002 Safety on August 09, 2007, 05:08:06 PM
But he's suspened and BG Courter is Acting National Commander.

But, she is acting NC only during his suspension.  She is not the National Commander.  Small, but very distinct difference.  Basically, BG Courter is handling his duties, and holds most/all his authority, and he retains the title.

If you notice, many of the official comments have indicated he still is the National Commander.  As such, while he isn't doing the work, in title, he is the National Commander.  So, unless he is removed or resigns, all of our pre-printed certificates will still have his signature, etc.

THE FEED IS UP, however it's an empty room

It's up!  Empty room with a couple of people chatting off camera

Edit:  Bill types faster than me.

but will it stay up for long when they come back?  when is the lunch break over?

Got me.   Wonder if they know the mike is open? :D

Quote from: Pylon on August 09, 2007, 05:11:24 PM

Quote from: NERMA002 Safety on August 09, 2007, 04:57:15 PM
So for the right now all that changes is MG Pineda's face and name come off of everything.  ? 

The allegations could be found to be false, and Maj Gen Pineda's membership reinstated.

Exactly.  There are a LOT of assumptions and rumors out there. 

MG Pineda is STILL the National Commander, and very well could be for the rest of his elected term.  There are reasons that IG reports are kept private.  When you're at the top, lots of people fling mud your way, even if it is completely fiction.  We don't know the facts, and may never know what this was really about.  Sure, there are rumors, and will always be.  And, if it is like most other IG investigations, a large number, if not the majority/all of them will be false.

Personally, in the end that we don't really know, as the core of the current IG program is that the ROI remains SEALED and private.  It helps protect the person filing a complaint.

Just talked to my Wing CC.  They are going to be back in session very soon.  All of the agenda items are over, and next is committee reports.

They just killed the feed again... ???

Last words heard..."I'm gonna stop it"   then blank

i can't believe this, I for the first time get in and can watch one of these things and they pulled the feed.  ??? ??? ??? ???

Isn't this session supposed to be open to the public?  This seems strange that they may be pulling the video feed.

They are playing with us.....


If they keep cutting in and out you have to try to guess what is going on...

yes it's open but......it's a game of fill in the blanks   >:D

I get it then I loose it and when I reload they just repeat what I had just seen

It's back on....until the black van pulls up......oh no....look who is getting out of the black van....

Appears to be back now

The new link on the updated capchannel site is:

mms://wmlivegw-la-1.vitalstreamcdn.com/live_civilairpatrolnhq_vitalstream_com_Trailer


They say they have upped their bandwidth and connections are available at 12:45 CST...

What a waste of a morning!     GRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

Uh OH....the black van occupant struck again   >:D

Quote from: mikeylikey on August 09, 2007, 04:17:48 PM
I am glad to see TERM EXTENSIONS defeated.  Without TP there......his "stacked deck" most likely felt foolish voting for something he was making them vote for.  

By the Way, the NB vote on term extensions is only a recommendation to the BoG, who are the only ones who can amend the CAP Constitution, according to Article XIX.

I see Amy is wearing the TPU

Besides the link posted at http://www.capchannel.com/live_web_stream:

mms://wmlivegw-la-1.vitalstreamcdn.com/live_civilairpatrolnhq_vitalstream_com_Trailer (http://mms://wmlivegw-la-1.vitalstreamcdn.com/live_civilairpatrolnhq_vitalstream_com_Trailer)


These are some of the OTHER links they've had up during the day which have had luck:

mms://wmlive.vitalstreamcdn.com/live_civilairpatrolnhq_vitalstream_com_LiveStream (http://mms://wmlive.vitalstreamcdn.com/live_civilairpatrolnhq_vitalstream_com_LiveStream)
mms://civilairpatrolnhq.wmlivesvc.vitalstreamcdn.com/live_civilairpatrolnhq_vitalstream_com_LiveStream (http://mms://civilairpatrolnhq.wmlivesvc.vitalstreamcdn.com/live_civilairpatrolnhq_vitalstream_com_LiveStream)
mms://civilairpatrolnhq.wmlivesvc.vitalstreamcdn.com/live_civilairpatrolnhq_vitalstream_com_Trailer (http://mms://civilairpatrolnhq.wmlivesvc.vitalstreamcdn.com/live_civilairpatrolnhq_vitalstream_com_Trailer)
mms://civilairpatrolnhq.wmlivesvc.vitalstreamcdn.com/live_civilairpatrolnhq_vitalstream_com_Atlantaboard (http://mms://civilairpatrolnhq.wmlivesvc.vitalstreamcdn.com/live_civilairpatrolnhq_vitalstream_com_Atlantaboard)


Yeah, a real class act we've got here, eh?


Grr...

YAY!  I got it.  Had to clear my cache and all to get it, though.

Is everyone chewing gum?!  They must have it on the tables somewhere...

Quote from: alamrcn on August 09, 2007, 05:58:34 PM
Is everyone chewing gum?!  They must have it on the tables somewhere...

is that allowed?  maybe it's free nicotine gum...

Audio works fine, but my video keeps cutting in and out. . . . kmmm

Quote from: RogueLeader on August 09, 2007, 06:00:21 PM
Audio works fine, but my video keeps cutting in and out. . . . kmmm

same here.  nothing exciting yet anyway...just something about testing ARCHER on lab rats and small children, or something like that...

Looks like all the interesting stuff is over with.  :(

Do they rebroadcast the feeds after hours?

Quote from: West_Coast_Guy on August 09, 2007, 06:04:55 PM
Looks like all the interesting stuff is over with.  :(

Do they rebroadcast this stuff after hours?

they haven't in the past...maybe someone can try to get a message to the right person about rebroadcasting it after these guys all go out to drink

You caught me editing my post!  ;D

Quote from: JC004 on August 09, 2007, 06:06:15 PM

Quote from: West_Coast_Guy on August 09, 2007, 06:04:55 PM
Looks like all the interesting stuff is over with.  :(

Do they rebroadcast this stuff after hours?

they haven't in the past...maybe someone can try to get a message to the right person about rebroadcasting it after these guys all go out to drink

Officers go drink...  Never!

It's up!

Quote from: NERMA002 Safety on August 09, 2007, 06:15:52 PM

Quote from: JC004 on August 09, 2007, 06:06:15 PM

Quote from: West_Coast_Guy on August 09, 2007, 06:04:55 PM
Looks like all the interesting stuff is over with.  :(

Do they rebroadcast this stuff after hours?

they haven't in the past...maybe someone can try to get a message to the right person about rebroadcasting it after these guys all go out to drink

Officers go drink...  Never!

oh. riiiiight... 

I guess we have to rely on "News of the Force" to find out about the Rumble in Atlanta.

20 Min break.

QuoteI see Amy is wearing the TPU

But is she carrying the nuclear football?

They want to add a CAP member soaring uniform.

Quote from: RogueLeader on August 09, 2007, 07:16:17 PM
They want to add a CAP member soaring uniform.

::yawn::  I'd rather see jetpacks (http://www.jetpackinternational.com/)

Archer and the GA-8 just came up. . . .

Quote from: RogueLeader on August 09, 2007, 07:16:17 PM
They want to add a CAP member soaring uniform.

Because no current uniforms we have are sufficiant enough for that. Why not just say it, some of these glider folk want to wear shorts and a T-shirt.

Quote from: RogueLeader on August 09, 2007, 07:19:00 PM
Archer and the GA-8 just came up. . . .

...integrated national network of them.  whatever that means...

still no jet packs...

someone text message General Anderson and let him know that he should speak louder?

Quote from: RogueLeader on August 09, 2007, 07:16:17 PM
They want to add a CAP member soaring uniform.

Incorrect.  They want to move the existing soaring uniform from 60-1 to CAPM 39-1 as part of cutting down 60-1.

Quote from: MIKE on August 09, 2007, 07:22:54 PM
Incorrect.  They want to move the existing soaring uniform from 60-1 to CAPM 39-1 as part of cutting down 60-1.

Do the same with the SAR uniform mentions in ES pubs and that's a good idea!

Quotesomeone text message General Anderson and let him know that he should speak louder?

Rich speaks softly, but I am told that he carries a BIG stick.

How many uniforms do we need?  Let me know when we get capes!

Quote from: MIKE on August 09, 2007, 07:22:54 PM

Quote from: RogueLeader on August 09, 2007, 07:16:17 PM
They want to add a CAP member soaring uniform.

Incorrect.  They want to move the existing soaring uniform from 60-1 to CAPM 39-1 as part of cutting down 60-1.

If it's not/wasn't in 39-1, how is it an authorized uniform?

just finished ARCHER...::yawn::

on to Item 12...booster clubs...nothing exciting there

item 2...apparently they didn't do the homework

on to item 3...primary flight instruction for senior members...I get the idea they don't like the idea.  He's on about money and legal issues

Is anyone else having trouble hearing anything?

Quote from: winterg on August 09, 2007, 07:43:24 PM
Is anyone else having trouble hearing anything?

poor use of the mic

They should hire me as the sound guy.  Put my AS to some use.

How long before He Who Must Not Be Named comes up with conspiracy theories about why it isn't working, and how much better everyone would be if CAP used him as the videographer for these events?

I can do video too.  ;D

God this is painful

(http://cs.nyu.edu/~dodis/images/Death-by-Powerpoint.jpg)

^^lol

Quote from: RogueLeader on August 09, 2007, 07:32:07 PM
If it's not/wasn't in 39-1, how is it an authorized uniform?

I don't believe that it is 39-1 that authorizes the wear of each of the uniforms.  It is just a manual that tells you how to wear each of the uniforms.  For instance, CAPR 52-16 states what the cadet basic uniform is...39-1 tells you how to wear it...

A big *thanks* to those watching the live stream and reporting to the rest of us.   Cheers, Alice

apparently we are going to use "more than meets the skies" as some type of slogan?

Branding video wasn't bad, but I suppose I need to say that since I think I saw one of my photos in it.  I'll be interested to see the branding report stats -- print too small to read on screen.  

Quote from: JC004 on August 09, 2007, 08:35:20 PM
apparently we are going to use "more than meets the skies" as some type of slogan?

I think I just threw up in my mouth a little....... ::)

Quote from: JC004 on August 09, 2007, 07:41:15 PM
just finished ARCHER...::yawn::

on to Item 12...booster clubs...nothing exciting there

item 2...apparently they didn't do the homework

on to item 3...primary flight instruction for senior members...I get the idea they don't like the idea.  He's on about money and legal issues

What was the final word on the primary flight instruction for seniors? I had to leave my desk during that talk.

Quote from: JC004 on August 09, 2007, 08:35:20 PM
apparently we are going to use "more than meets the skies" as some type of slogan?

I like "Cross into the poo"  >:D

Quote from: NERMA002 Safety on August 09, 2007, 08:37:09 PM

Quote from: JC004 on August 09, 2007, 07:41:15 PM
just finished ARCHER...::yawn::

on to Item 12...booster clubs...nothing exciting there

item 2...apparently they didn't do the homework

on to item 3...primary flight instruction for senior members...I get the idea they don't like the idea.  He's on about money and legal issues

What was the final word on the primary flight instruction for seniors? I had to leave my desk during that talk.

me too...I don't think it was voted on...it sounded like the committee or whatever was telling them "too expensive, makes us liable, no way"

Quote from: LtCol White on August 09, 2007, 08:38:39 PM

Quote from: JC004 on August 09, 2007, 08:35:20 PM
apparently we are going to use "more than meets the skies" as some type of slogan?

I like "Cross into the poo"  >:D

at least we've met one goal of getting some more [inter]national media coverage...   :-[  ::sigh::

Quote from: JC004 on August 09, 2007, 08:39:13 PM

Quote from: NERMA002 Safety on August 09, 2007, 08:37:09 PM

Quote from: JC004 on August 09, 2007, 07:41:15 PM
just finished ARCHER...::yawn::

on to Item 12...booster clubs...nothing exciting there

item 2...apparently they didn't do the homework

on to item 3...primary flight instruction for senior members...I get the idea they don't like the idea.  He's on about money and legal issues

What was the final word on the primary flight instruction for seniors? I had to leave my desk during that talk.

me too...I don't think it was voted on...it sounded like the committee or whatever was telling them "too expensive, makes us liable, no way"

It  didn't sound like it was that much more just an extra hundred.

apparently they're gonna retain people by making some online forums.  Civil Air Patrol online forums?  who would waste their time on such a thing?   >:D

The ideas presented at the PAO Academy are basically that we all be on the same page and present a unified message about the CAP, the Brigadier General's presentation hit the nail on the head.

The Marketing plan, which just went up for a vote, is designed to get people to know about CAP in a positive light.  We cannot accomplish our missions in a vacuum.  If people don't know us or what we do...we didn't happen.  If we didn't happen...then we are not relevant.  And I believe, along with the Brigadier General, that that is where the future lies.

Wow!  This person (Nat VC) has her act together. Very impressive. 

few end things:

1. Lt Col Gene Egry is taking over DEWG next month
2. Reception sponsored by Cessna (Cessna needs to sponsor more receptions for us senior members)
3. General Assembly in the morning (will be on video stream with any luck)
4. Over 22,800 people on average watching this video stream today
5. The music with the video sucks

Quote from: Major Carrales on August 09, 2007, 08:49:42 PM
The ideas presented at the PAO Academy are basically that we all be on the same page and present a unified message about the CAP, the Brigadier General's presentation hit the nail on the head.

The Marketing plan, which just went up for a vote, is designed to get people to know about CAP in a positive light.  We cannot accomplish our missions in a vacuum.  If people don't know us or what we do...we didn't happen.  If we didn't happen...then we are not relevant.  And I believe, along with the Brigadier General, that that is where the future lies.

Do you have any electronic materials that you can share from the academy?

Hmm, I didn't see anything in the presentation about the US Civil Air Patrol... maybe some of our folks who were at the PAO Academy can tell us how that issue was approached in the actual branding plan?

Quote from: JC004 on August 09, 2007, 08:52:15 PM
Do you have any electronic materials that you can share from the academy?

The materials are to be put on line once the Board is concluded, along with photos and othe media.  I have the printouts/handouts/notes of all the presentations which I plan to scan and concert to PDFs...give me a day do do that.

I was not able to stay for the last 45 minutes because I had to catch my flight....I also missed the CNN tour :(

Let me say that the presenters were excellent...our own Brigadier General and Col Greenhut stood out in my mind as excellent speakers of vision (not merely rhetoric).  We are, in my opinion, in good hands with them.

Quote from: Major Carrales on August 09, 2007, 08:56:27 PM

Quote from: JC004 on August 09, 2007, 08:52:15 PM
Do you have any electronic materials that you can share from the academy?

The materials are to be put on line once the Board is concluded, along with photos and othe media.  I have the printouts/handouts/notes of all the presentations which I plan to scan and concert to PDFs...give me a day do do that.

I was not able to stay for the last 45 minutes because I had to catch my flight....I also missed the CNN tour :(

Let me say that the presenters were excellent...our own Brigadier General and Col Greenhut stood out in my mind as excellent speakers of vision (not merely rhetoric).  We are, in my opinion, in good hands with them.

Outstanding.  Look forward to it.  I'll make you a coffee if you have to slave over the scanner into the wee hours of the night.

What happened to the feed, had to step out.

Quote from: RogueLeader on August 09, 2007, 09:00:00 PM
What happened to the feed, had to step out.

The meeting ended, so they thought the feed wouldn't be useful anymore.

Oh, 1700 local, right.

Quote from: RogueLeader on August 09, 2007, 09:02:09 PM
Oh, 1700 local, right.

You and your inferior central time.

Quote from: RiverAux on August 09, 2007, 08:52:52 PM
Hmm, I didn't see anything in the presentation about the US Civil Air Patrol... maybe some of our folks who were at the PAO Academy can tell us how that issue was approached in the actual branding plan?

We focused more on "how to get the information out" ranging from Unit Public Affairs to the role of the Information Officer in Critical information situations.

This issue was not addressed...although the materials refer to the US Civil Air Patrol.  It really wasn't the time or place to have that discussion.  I wasn't gonna get into it unless it was raised.  

Now, the branding and marketing plan is set and these issues will be raised.  The time to bring it up is today and tomorrow by a Wing or Region Commander...not by a room full of PAOs who's focus for the Academy was more of operational exercise of Public Affairs instead of such a policy identifier.

Quote from: JC004 on August 09, 2007, 09:03:57 PM

Quote from: RogueLeader on August 09, 2007, 09:02:09 PM
Oh, 1700 local, right.

You and your inferior central time.

TIMEz

What are the general thoughts on an enlisted senior member progression?

I don't see how 16 GA-8's with Archer can do the missions they talk about. That's two per region and they want the Task Force crews within two hours driving of the GA-8 base?

I think promotions for CAP NCOs is a good idea. If the officers can promote, why not the NCOs? Just because you were an E6 in the military, why should you be locked into that grade in CAP?

The idea needs more time to mature.

I don't think it needs to be that difficult.  Keep the same progression we have now and adjust the ranks.  2LT = SSgt, 1LT = TSgt, CPT = MSgt, MAJ - SMSgt, LTCOL = CMSgt, COL = Command CMSGT.

I know many senior members officers who would feel more comfortable with enlisted stripes on.  Much of what we do is more in-line with enlisted occupations as well.  We don't actually make officers in CAP anyway.  Mostly just throw a uniform at someone and say, "Congrats, you're a Lieutenant!"

I know it's more complicated than that but I believe we need to seriously look at it.

Was there any more info on flight training for senior members? ??

Other than they don't want to do it?

So whats on the agenda for tomorrow?

Quote from: MIKE on August 09, 2007, 09:50:22 PM
Other than they don't want to do it?

So that's it??  They bring it up (senior member flight training) only to quash it?  Nice...

Quote from: BillB on August 09, 2007, 09:28:56 PM
I think promotions for CAP NCOs is a good idea. If the officers can promote, why not the NCOs? Just because you were an E6 in the military, why should you be locked into that grade in CAP?

CMSgt Chiafos has been working on this program for almost a year now.  His study group document was circulated to many CAP NCOs and SNCOs last May.

Chief Chaifos program is comprehensive and based on performance and professional development training. 

If the organization wants to attract and retain former military NCOs, the National Board needs to step up to the plate.

Opinion selector to SAFE....

-SeattleSarge

Quote from: SeattleSarge on August 09, 2007, 10:16:33 PM

Quote from: BillB on August 09, 2007, 09:28:56 PM
I think promotions for CAP NCOs is a good idea. If the officers can promote, why not the NCOs? Just because you were an E6 in the military, why should you be locked into that grade in CAP?

CMSgt Chiafos has been working on this program for almost a year now.  His study group document was circulated to many CAP NCOs and SNCOs last May.

Chief Chaifos program is comprehensive and based on performance and professional development training. 

If the organization wants to attract and retain former military NCOs, the National Board needs to step up to the plate.

Opinion selector to SAFE....

-SeattleSarge

I think this is an excellent idea and I hope it moves forward as it should

Quote from: Wildblueflyer on August 09, 2007, 10:07:21 PM

Quote from: MIKE on August 09, 2007, 09:50:22 PM
Other than they don't want to do it?

So that's it??  They bring it up (senior member flight training) only to quash it?  Nice...

well because it's been an on-going item for a while...this seemed like the final report on why it was a bad idea

I'm a big supporter of the Chief's plan, I regret that I could not stay longer in Atlanta and discuss how I might help or best lend support to the idea.

As for the "promoting" of NCOs.  I have a members of my unit who was real interested in it, but accepted 2d Lt bars because the prospec tof never promoting was not to his liking.

Quote from: SeattleSarge on August 09, 2007, 10:16:33 PM
CMSgt Chiafos has been working on this program for almost a year now.  His study group document was circulated to many CAP NCOs and SNCOs last May.

Seems like he missed out soliciting input from some of us.  Not all NCOs in CAP are CAP NCOs...

Quote from: shorning on August 09, 2007, 10:29:51 PM

Quote from: SeattleSarge on August 09, 2007, 10:16:33 PM
CMSgt Chiafos has been working on this program for almost a year now.  His study group document was circulated to many CAP NCOs and SNCOs last May.

Seems like he missed out soliciting input from some of us.  Not all NCOs in CAP are CAP NCOs...

I'm sure the idea was to use a small working group, so he could quickly refine the plan for the meeting today. 

We all know there are many prior service NCOs in squadron, wing, region, and national leadership positions.

-SeattleSarge

Quote from: shorning on August 09, 2007, 10:29:51 PM

Quote from: SeattleSarge on August 09, 2007, 10:16:33 PM
CMSgt Chiafos has been working on this program for almost a year now.  His study group document was circulated to many CAP NCOs and SNCOs last May.

Seems like he missed out soliciting input from some of us.  Not all NCOs in CAP are CAP NCOs...

He did make an "all call," even posted here.  I'm not an NCO, but I replied offering all I could do...even set him up with some NCOs for input.

As I recall, his message was "smacked" down and seen through the "This is one of Tony's Cronies" and turned him completely off to CAPTALK.  It's never too late...

e-mail via PM

Quote from: Major Carrales on August 09, 2007, 10:47:20 PM
As I recall, his message was "smacked" down and seen through the "This is one of Tony's Cronies" and turned him completely off to CAPTALK.  It's never too late...
e-mail via PM

Well, here's the link to that now-locked thread.
http://captalk.net/index.php?topic=1276.msg17091#msg17091 (http://captalk.net/index.php?topic=1276.msg17091#msg17091)

Read it from the start and draw your own conclusions.  IMO the Chief waded in and did a bit of smacking himself.  Not something one generally sees from NHQ staff...

Quote from: RogueLeader on August 09, 2007, 07:32:07 PM

Quote from: MIKE on August 09, 2007, 07:22:54 PM

Quote from: RogueLeader on August 09, 2007, 07:16:17 PM
They want to add a CAP member soaring uniform.

Incorrect.  They want to move the existing soaring uniform from 60-1 to CAPM 39-1 as part of cutting down 60-1.

If it's not/wasn't in 39-1, how is it an authorized uniform?

It is prescribed in the interest of flight safety.

Quote from: BillB on August 09, 2007, 09:27:08 PM
I don't see how 16 GA-8's with Archer can do the missions they talk about. That's two per region and they want the Task Force crews within two hours driving of the GA-8 base?

There will be some big changes with archer next year, we should have a standby crews (several) in every wing with a 2 hour take off, for the 182s as well . Yea baby thats got to be done.
Team America, World Police, here we come!

Quote from: wingnut on August 10, 2007, 12:14:58 AM

Quote from: BillB on August 09, 2007, 09:27:08 PM
I don't see how 16 GA-8's with Archer can do the missions they talk about. That's two per region and they want the Task Force crews within two hours driving of the GA-8 base?

There will be some big changes with archer next year, we should have a standby crews (several) in every wing with a 2 hour take off, for the 182s as well . Yea baby thats got to be done.
Team America, World Police, here we come!

America @*%$# Yeah!

General Assembly is  starting.

Good speech by Col. Hodgkins (sp) about missions continuing in the HLS arena.  Now we are onto the Order of the Daedalons (sp) awards.

A video about a mission in 2005 that led to the creation of flight scholarships for cadets in Georgia.  Now they are going down to dedicate the memorial, is that yours Jim???

After that Town hall meeting at 1030HRS.

Coffee refill time.

2 Hour break now. 1030edt resumes. Gen Courter is such a class act. She is exactly what we need for National Leadership.

think thats a 1 hour break...

Quote from: LtCol White on August 10, 2007, 01:25:35 PM
2 Hour break now. 1030edt resumes. Gen Couter is such a class act. She is exactly what we need for National Leadership.

so motioned...do I have a second?

Second! 

Quote from: mikeylikey on August 10, 2007, 01:39:18 PM
Second! 

all in favor say "aye" - "aye"

all opposed, same sign (blank stares)

outstanding...someone order some stars from Vanguard so we'll have them in time for the next National Board meeting

It's premature to put all our trust into BG Courter.  I, for one, will wait for a proven track record.  Sure, I'll give her a chance, but I'm not blindly following someone because I feel betrayal form others.

  Ah sorry.....you know it takes at least one year to get an order from Vanguard.  By the way.......is there a Vanguard rep at the boards........I would like to know why they are the worst online store I have ever been to.  They suck at customer service, shipping, packaging and should just shut down.  

NO!  NO!  NO!  NO!

Think about what you fools are doing!

When MG Pineda designed a uniform, it became the "TPU" for Tony Pineda's Uniform.

When BG Courter designs HER uniform, it will be "Amy Courter's Uniform," or "ACU," and that acronym is already taken!

Quote from: Wildblueflyer on August 10, 2007, 01:48:27 PM
It's premature to put all our trust into BG Courter.  I, for one, will wait for a proven track record.  Sure, I'll give her a chance, but I'm not blindly following someone because I feel betrayal form others.

Wow......we all blindly followed TP.  He started with a more "shady" track record than Courter has.

Yeah...sorrry.  "Blindly" was a bad choice of words.  The intent was to be cautious...that's all.

I never liked the way CAP was moving away from the Air Force under TP...especially the TPU.  I hope BG Courter can bring us back into the fold.

Quote from: Wildblueflyer on August 10, 2007, 01:48:27 PM
It's premature to put all our trust into BG Courter.  I, for one, will wait for a proven track record.  Sure, I'll give her a chance, but I'm not blindly following someone because I feel betrayal form others.

We make a leap of faith any time we elect a corporate officer.  Sometimes, we mess up.  Like when we elect Congress critters, mayors, or Presidents.  If I had a vote, I would base it on what I have heard of her, what I have seen of her, and what my perceptions are from when I attended the inaugural Civic Leadership Academy, for which she was the director.  I spent a good bit of time talking to her about CAP's future (http://www.capsfuture.com/), all of the challenges we face and such.  I was well impressed before she even got a star.

I surely hope AF takes a more "active" part.  

Quote from: JC004 on August 10, 2007, 01:58:04 PM
when I attended the inaugural Civic Leadership Academy

So......I have some cookies for you then.  Ever get that coin? 

Quote from: Wildblueflyer on August 10, 2007, 01:48:27 PM
It's premature to put all our trust into BG Courter.  I, for one, will wait for a proven track record.  Sure, I'll give her a chance, but I'm not blindly following someone because I feel betrayal form others.

No one said anything about blindly following. I'm talking about her confidence and professionalism. You have to support and trust our leadership UNTIL they give you a reason not to do so. To be skeptical of anyone, because of someone else's actions and without good reason, isn't giving the person the fair shake and support they deserve.

I think she will fix the relationship with USAF and I believe they will feel very comfortable with her if she is named NCC

Let me share some thoughts about BG Amy Courter. 

First of all, I have known her since she was 2LT Amy Courter. 

She was an extremely successful executive for a large firm, where she was the CIO (Chief Information Officer).  That success gave her the strong leadership, drive and professionalism that you are only starting to see at this board meeting.  It also allows her the financial freedom to attend CAP functions 25-35 weeks a year.  (She still works as an executive consultant) Success has also given her confidence, but unlike TP, she is a person who will build consensus when she can, but make decisions when she has to.  Don't expect to see a letter a week from her restating a National Reg, like Pineda.  She will work through the more conventional means.  (I'd point to her handling of the "CAP Ethics Letter" issue.  She could have slammed TP, and let him be embarassed, instead she took the high road and tabled it.  Very Classy.)

Ask anyone who has met her or worked with her about her professionalism and character.  It is impeccable.  She does have a bit of a temper, when you push her, but you'll never see or hear a screaming rant like others will do.  Even when Tony and his disgusting, immoral and unethical minions tried to assassinate her character, she never wavered or sunk to their level. 

Most of the National Board has seen her performance behind the scenes, now the rest of you got to see it on the video (when it worked). 

After one NBB with her in charge, I'd be surprised if the NBB ever wants to go back to Antonio Jesus Pineda. 

Leo Burke

PS - I still like her and Amy has fired me three times. 

So maybe this whole "More than meets the skies" thing is actually a statement.

Courter Prime:  This is the end of the road, Pinedatron!  One shall stand, one shall fall.

Quote from: Psicorp on August 10, 2007, 02:26:53 PM
So maybe this whole "More than meets the skies" thing is actually a statement.

Courter Prime:  This is the end of the road, Pinedatron!  One shall stand, one shall fall.

lmao   ;D

Sound?

whoever is doing the sound should be killed

Maybe a black van flew through and muted all the mics  >:D

STUPID THING

Maybe we need to institute a lip-reading training program just in case at some point we have a mission where a pilot is trapped inside his soundproof plane and we have to read his lips to figure out how to get him out  >:D

Quote from: LtCol White on August 10, 2007, 02:43:54 PM
whoever is doing the sound should be killed

Someone heard you...

Didn't 52-16 say you weren't to do milestone presentations at national conferences.  Or did they change that?

WTF???

OK, now the video AND the sound guy needs to be killed

Naturally, the Town Hall meeting was what I was looking forward to the most.  Courtier said it was not going to be streamed.

Thats just bogus.  Unless there is an OPSEC issue invovled, they should be streaming everything!

Quote from: RiverAux on August 10, 2007, 02:59:17 PM
Thats just bogus.  Unless there is an OPSEC issue invovled, they should be streaming everything!

Several people on here have commented what a class act Brigadier General Courter is.  I suspect that since there is so much going on, and a "town meeting" by defintion has an uncontrolled agenda, she elected not to chance an attack on the "investigatee" on National Television.

Quote from: Skyray on August 10, 2007, 03:06:05 PM

Quote from: RiverAux on August 10, 2007, 02:59:17 PM
Thats just bogus.  Unless there is an OPSEC issue invovled, they should be streaming everything!

Several people on here have commented what a class act Brigadier General Courter is.  I suspect that since there is so much going on, and a "town meeting" by defintion has an uncontrolled agenda, she elected not to chance an attack on the "investigatee" on National Television.

I think that is a wise decision on her part. Although I would like to have seen the meeting I understand the reasoning.

Internal politics is ok. Internal politics hidden behind a cloak of secrecy is not.

Well since the meeting is open to all attendees, I don't consider that a cloak of secrecy. Its just not being webcasted so  its still public

Quote from: MIKE on August 10, 2007, 02:49:15 PM
Didn't 52-16 say you weren't to do milestone presentations at national conferences.  Or did they change that?

I can't find any restriction to that effect in either the current or previous version of CAPR 52-16.  Remember however that while CAP regulations are hard and fast procedures for those of us at the unit level, the NB generally interprets them as 'suggestions'.   ;D  ;D

If I as a general CAP member could sit in at the town hall meeting in person, then it should be webcasted so everybody should see it. 

Quote from: RiverAux on August 10, 2007, 03:46:47 PM
If I as a general CAP member could sit in at the town hall meeting in person, then it should be webcasted so everybody should see it. 

You are a general now?  I AM THE GENERAL.   :'(

yeah, I saw that after I posted...how about "average CAP member"?

Quote from: RiverAux on August 10, 2007, 03:48:55 PM
yeah, I saw that after I posted...how about "average CAP member"?

lol.  As long as you don't steal the general flag that I am making out of construction paper.

you're welcome to it...I'm tired of sewing new stuff on my uniforms anyway...

John, it's a fine line.  While I agree with you in general, what is to stop some nut from jumping up on National Television and making a totally inappropriate statement about what is currently going on.  One of yesterday's editions of NOTF said that they had their spi....,er reporters all over the meeting.  Maybe we should swallow our prejudice and try to analyze the NOTF account of what goes on.

Does anyone here have any spies at the conference, who might be able to report on this meeting?

Quote from: JC004 on August 10, 2007, 04:06:38 PM
Does anyone here have any spies at the conference, who might be able to report on this meeting?

I haven't seen anyone posting who was at the conference, although there was some moaning yesterday about the hotel charging thirteen dollars a day for internet access.  I'm sure if someone is watching the board who is attending the town hall meeting we will get an update.

Quote from: Skyray on August 10, 2007, 04:03:20 PM
John, it's a fine line.  While I agree with you in general, what is to stop some nut from jumping up on National Television and making a totally inappropriate statement about what is currently going on.  One of yesterday's editions of NOTF said that they had their spi....,er reporters all over the meeting.  Maybe we should swallow our prejudice and try to analyze the NOTF account of what goes on.

This was my point as well and I totally agree. Anything discussed will come out. It just won't be played out live in a media form. I think this is prudent given what is going on.

If they want to hold a commanders only private meeting I've got no problems with that at all -- however, if it is open to the public in person, and we've got the capabilitity to put it online, then we should. 

If someone makes an inappropriate statement, I've got full confidence that BG Coulter could handle it properly and move on to something else. 

Quote from: RiverAux on August 10, 2007, 05:17:33 PM
If they want to hold a commanders only private meeting I've got no problems with that at all -- however, if it is open to the public in person, and we've got the capabilitity to put it online, then we should. 

If someone makes an inappropriate statement, I've got full confidence that BG Coulter could handle it properly and move on to something else. 

too late for that.  we need a spy!

Quote from: JC004 on August 10, 2007, 05:19:08 PM

Quote from: RiverAux on August 10, 2007, 05:17:33 PM
If they want to hold a commanders only private meeting I've got no problems with that at all -- however, if it is open to the public in person, and we've got the capabilitity to put it online, then we should. 

If someone makes an inappropriate statement, I've got full confidence that BG Coulter could handle it properly and move on to something else. 

too late for that.  we need a spy!

hmmmm...wonder if Dr Miller (MO Wing...at conf) is busy?  ;)

Quote from: docspur on August 10, 2007, 05:23:21 PM

Quote from: JC004 on August 10, 2007, 05:19:08 PM

Quote from: RiverAux on August 10, 2007, 05:17:33 PM
If they want to hold a commanders only private meeting I've got no problems with that at all -- however, if it is open to the public in person, and we've got the capabilitity to put it online, then we should. 

If someone makes an inappropriate statement, I've got full confidence that BG Coulter could handle it properly and move on to something else. 

too late for that.  we need a spy!

hmmmm...wonder if Dr Miller (MO Wing...at conf) is busy?  ;)

Al Gore invented cell phones for a reason...   :angel:

Quote from: Skyray on August 10, 2007, 04:11:23 PM

Quote from: JC004 on August 10, 2007, 04:06:38 PM
Does anyone here have any spies at the conference, who might be able to report on this meeting?

I haven't seen anyone posting who was at the conference, although there was some moaning yesterday about the hotel charging thirteen dollars a day for internet access.  I'm sure if someone is watching the board who is attending the town hall meeting we will get an update.

I've always wondered about the decisions on having the location of the National Confs at such high priced places.  Yes, I know they want to have a nice place...but they sure price out those of us that aren't wealthy.  Lucky for me that the Conf in 2005 was in St Louis so I could go home each night.  I probably won't be able to attend another NC again unless it is held in the area....and Wing is starting to go that "expensive" route too.

um...was that off topic?

^  No.  It is getting more costly each day to be a CAP member!  However the majority of the Senior membership are Officers, so........they figure we have the $$

You guys missed the SER Conference on a cruise ship--now there was an expensive conference.

^ Kidding right?  Was it a Booze Cruise?  Anyone "fall overboard"? 

DocSpur,

Dr. Dave here, sorry I flew back to St. Louis late Wednesday night after the completion of the national PAO Academy so I'm not still at the National Board Conference.  

Would have loved to have stayed, I always have like fireworks ... :)

(And I make such a good spy too ...)

Dr. Dave

Quote from: DrDave on August 10, 2007, 06:02:08 PM
DocSpur,

Dr. Dave here, sorry I flew back to St. Louis late Wednesday night after the completion of the national PAO Academy so I'm not still at the National Board Conference. 

Would have loved to have stayed, I always have like fireworks ... :)

(And I make such a good spy too ...)

Dr. Dave

grr...I got excited too.  I thought we could have got the scoop.

Quote from: DrDave on August 10, 2007, 06:02:08 PM
DocSpur,

Dr. Dave here, sorry I flew back to St. Louis late Wednesday night after the completion of the national PAO Academy so I'm not still at the National Board Conference.  

Would have loved to have stayed, I always have like fireworks ... :)

(And I make such a good spy too ...)

Dr. Dave

Welcome Home, Sir.  I know you could put James Bond to shame.  Maybe we can find someone else.

<Off Topic Alert> BTW...I've put in for my Loening...finally got that Senior Rating in Info Tech I've been working on.  Can I come to Group II now? ;)

just kidding...maybe.

Quote from: mikeylikey on August 10, 2007, 05:59:40 PM
^ Kidding right?  Was it a Booze Cruise?  Anyone "fall overboard"? 

I didn't go because it was way too expensive, but from the reports I got from those who did go, it was a very productive conference.  Cruise ships have a lot of assets like meeting rooms, ballrooms, etc.  If anyone fell overboard it was adequately silenced.

DocSpur,

Am replying privately, congrats on the new specialty track rating.

You are an IT god, so I'm not surprised.

Dr. Dave

So, how many people did the walkout that our buddy predicted would happen when Gen Courter took the podium? 

Quote from: RiverAux on August 10, 2007, 11:25:39 PM
So, how many people did the walkout that our buddy predicted would happen when Gen Courter took the podium? 

I hear she persuaded them to stay with donuts.  Then they unanimously re-elected her.

Krispy Kreme...the ultimate bribe...err, persuasion.

Countrymen, give me your ears, I come with news.  I attended the Conference today and I do hate the keyoard on my wife's laptop.  First Flash, Air Force attendee left today to return to Virginia in a 172 (Not CAP), landed in NC to refuel and attempted to take off.  I believe he crashed on take off, maybe ran out of runway??  No confirmation, but rumor has it no one was hurt.  Now for all of the wannabe doctors, Head Doc re-affirmed that we are not treating personnel and no-one is authorized to do more than basic first aid.  Re-affirmed by SE region JAG.  Also in the plans to re-write 160-1 (medical) and set up a specialty track with tech, senior and master ratings.  Maybe Master rating wil require special research or project. Sounds like this may slow some people down in progression.  Next was the Strategic Mission.  A lot of neat stuff going on with missions with Coast Guard in FL.  What happened RiverAux?  Some missions requiring all night flying and four day deloyment.  Also some good stuff with Archer with more requests than we can handle from 3-letter agencies.  Also border work.  Also we are doing interdiction stuff with the Air Force in several locations.  Looking at having trained teams for Archer more than 2 hours away, could fly down in two hours would be okay.  Looking for a few good people.  Appears everything is calm and very little if any talk about our National Commander.  A lot of Air Force people here.  Vanguard here with all kinds of stuff.  I think they brought down everything that you all ordered in the lat six months that they haven't sent to you.  Some neat shirts on sale for $10.00.  Nice blue CAP dress watch for $15.00.  I found out that I do need a really large TPU jacket, but with the situation, I will hold off temporarily.  Dinner lat night at Trader Vic's $115.00, Tonight at Hard Rock Cafe $96.00.  Buffett breakfast is $22.00 in the hotel, but there is a Chic Filet not far.  Metsome great National CAC cadets, one from Alaska and one from North Dakota.  All cadets today looked realy good and you would have been proud.  Some went on the Delta tour and got to fly the 737 and 767 simulators.  Too cool.  Well, my carpal tunnel I shot from this #$#% keyboard, which is also missing the top of the "b" key.  I wanted to make sure I got the maximum out of my $13.00 for the internet.  Also parking is $24.00 a day.  Oh, by the way, in professional development, it was discussed that Knowledgebase may not come back with the ask a question part.  What's with that?  Also the Air Force can't figure out why we aren't all whipping through our professional development by completing all five levels.  Average age of CAP member is 52.  Back to levels.  Maybe they forget that the Air Force pays them to take and pass their levels.  Level 4 and Level 5 require us to not only pay for the privilege, but also to use a weeks vacation.   Plus very few people want to go to Region or Wing because the fun and action is on the squadron level.  News release, if you are trying to complete level 5 and need to teach a level 1, you can request that your squadron commander let you do the interview/exam/questionnaire with the new member as credit for teaching the level 1.  More later..          

Thanks Harry,

Great report.  Got some of the same info when my better half got back from HOT-lanta tonight.  'Cept she paid only $6 for parking in a nearby day lot and walked because I'm a cheapskate.  >:D

And lest I get criticized by everyone for not giving a "spy report" during the day today, my "spy" failed to report in!   Guess that's why she works Mission Base during SAREXs.  ;D  ;D

Harry: thank you for the info: it is likely the only bits of information that most of us will get from this National Board until our reps return home.  Being in CA, that means a long plane ride and maybe not much  info after they return. 

We are indeed fortunate to have Gen Anderson in the Strategic Planning Directorate: he is a tough act to beat.

QuoteA lot of neat stuff going on with missions with Coast Guard in FL.  What happened RiverAux?

What do I have to do with that? 

I've been saying for a few years that the CG Aux air program needs to be shut down and CAP should take up all their missions, and should make room for privately-owned planes to do the off-shore missions now down by CG Aux Air. 

The CG could save a bundle by calling on CAP to do these missions as they would only have to pay reimbursement rates to us -- for CG Aux Air they have to pay the reimbursement, pay to train the pilots, and now, help pay for more of the maintenance on the private planes.  Why not dump all that hassle and work with us?  We've got plenty of coastal units that could pick up the slack, again, providing that CAP accepts the private planes that can do the extended off shore missions we don't want to do in 172/182s.

RiverAux, sorry, I thought you were always comparing us to the CG Aux and saying that they did a better job than us.  I must have misconstrued something.  My apologies and I agree with your sentiments about the fact that they should use us more.  Did I understand you to say they pay to train their pilots?? Is that just for the mission or flight training?  We just spent a bunch of money to train our personnel for Archer missions.  Supposedly we spent about $5,000.00 each for the week of Archer training. 

Quote from: JC004 on August 10, 2007, 11:37:54 PM

Quote from: RiverAux on August 10, 2007, 11:25:39 PM
So, how many people did the walkout that our buddy predicted would happen when Gen Courter took the podium? 

I hear she persuaded them to stay with donuts.  Then they unanimously re-elected her.

Actually all voted for her except one abstained and one voted "yes"

Quote from: capchiro on August 11, 2007, 01:25:44 AM
RiverAux, sorry, I thought you were always comparing us to the CG Aux and saying that they did a better job than us.  I must have misconstrued something.  My apologies and I agree with your sentiments about the fact that they should use us more.  Did I understand you to say they pay to train their pilots?? Is that just for the mission or flight training?  We just spent a bunch of money to train our personnel for Archer missions.  Supposedly we spent about $5,000.00 each for the week of Archer training. 

There are some things the CG Aux does better and some things CAP does better -- thats why I'm in both organizations.

I meant CG pays for mission training in the way we do, though probably not as much -- they don't do as much "training" since they do a lot of routine mission patrols so it isn't quite as needed, and they don't really ask their folks to do as much as we do.  They also spend an outrageous amount of money sending their pilots to spin and puke training on a regular basis. 

Quote from: JCJ on August 11, 2007, 01:48:23 AM

Quote from: JC004 on August 10, 2007, 11:37:54 PM

Quote from: RiverAux on August 10, 2007, 11:25:39 PM
So, how many people did the walkout that our buddy predicted would happen when Gen Courter took the podium? 

I hear she persuaded them to stay with donuts.  Then they unanimously re-elected her.

Actually all voted for her except one abstained and one voted "yes"

voted yes on a multiple choice test?

I guess nobody else got any good info from the town hall meeting?  ::sigh::  We should have arranged for spies before the conference started...

I didn't bother to wake up for the Awards Ceremony.  Why do they have to start so early?

Just checked the cap.gov homepage to see if there is any news there from the Summer meeting.  Interesting.  There is the news release about the suspension of CAP CC in two places - homepage and the newscenter PR page.  Some local activities news.  A blurb on the news center PR pages about a former CNN person speaking at the Summer meeting.  And that's it on the Summer meeting there.

Did anyone from our paid staff or the volunteer PAO meeting do a daily hardcopy newsletter for conference attendees as Jim Tynan and crew used to do in the past?  If so, is it online anywhere?  Keeping the troops informed at one of the two annual National Board meetings is not rocket science.  And, given the fact our cap-talk folks who got up at o-dark-thirty to watch the webcast but saw and heard very little makes me think the NHQ report of 20,000+ viewers is a bunk.  Maybe that many were pinging *trying* to get in...

And why haven't we gotten a summary of the town meeting's substance yet?  Let's face it, only a very small percentage of our active membership has the time and money to go to these things.  Why have a town meeting at all if it's going to be effectively in a sealed-air room?

The International Monetary Fund publishes extremely timely the full transcripts of all its press conferences which are the equivalent to our town meetings.  If the IMF can have that much transparancy, why can't CAP?

I had the pleasure of hearing BG Courter at a CAP meeting in Boston this past June.  I echo the comment of another poster in saying if anything "inappropriate" was said at the town meeting, she could handle it.

Alice

Don't recall seeing any press releases on CAP News Online about any of the meetings for the last few years. 

I am also very suspicious about the 20,000 viewers number.  That would mean that more than a third of our members either stayed home from work or would imply that a whole lot more cadets were watching during their summer vacation than I suspect would be interested in it. 

Be careful, Alice.  I am living proof that no matter how justified your indignation, expressing it can be detrimental to your organizational health.  I agree with you about BGen Courter.  Looks like she can handle most anything.

Doug: I couldn't worry about such things since two thoughts come to mind:

(1)  We are 'twould seem destined under the current leadership to wait a couple of weeks or months for the paid PA HQ staff to tell us "what we deserve to know" in the national glossy magazine.  (Anyone know the name of the current volunteer National PAO?)

(2)  Thinking of the meeting's local in Atlanta reminds me of a saying by one of its famous sons:
      You must be willing to stand for something or
      you will fall for anything.  -MLK Jr.

Alice

Quote(Anyone know the name of the current volunteer National PAO?)

Nope, the last one I remember was named Rose, and he got terminated after about three weeks in the job because one of his rival squadron commanders got made Wing Commander and was known to hold a grudge.  Not terminated as National PAO, terminated as a member of CAP.

didnt know we had a volunteer national pao.  thought all the pa staff at national was paid. 

Quote from: RiverAux on August 12, 2007, 10:58:53 PM
didnt know we had a volunteer national pao.  thought all the pa staff at national was paid. 

There is a paid PA staff - they are quite good.   There is a national PAO director (Volunteer) - it is Col. Virginia Keller who is a former OK Wing CC and is an absolutely wonderful person.  While there could be more PA support from NHQ, we desparately need more volunteer PA's at wing. group. squadron levels.  We have some that are also really quite good, but we need more.  The PAO academy before the NB meeting was one of the initiatives on this and was, by all reports, outstanding.  I think you will see more emphasis on branding and public recognition of CAP in the very near future.