Deputy Commander of cadets?

[SarDragon]

Here's another gem from CAPR 10-1: the Counter Drug office  symbol is DOC. DO = Director of Operations, and C for the counter Drug section.

DCC - accepted? Yes. Correct? Not really.

But, like "Class A" uniforms, a part of our screwed up lexicon that not enough people want to make an effort to fix.

[Spike]

Folks, if you insist on using office symbols for abbreviations, how about using the correct ones.

DC = Director of Communications
DCC = does not appear in CAPR 10-1; not sure what it might stand for
CD = Deputy Commander
CDC = Deputy Commander for Cadets, by extension; does not appear in CAPR 10-1
CDS = Deputy Commander for Seniors, by extension; does not appear in CAPR 10-1

Wow....since the question was about Deputy Commander For Cadets.......we can use our intellect to reason that "DCC" stands for "Deputy Commander for Cadets".  Come on now Sir!

[SarDragon]

Hey, I just calls 'em like I sees 'em. That's straight out of CAPR 10-1.

[Pumbaa]

Well you can do like I do...

Anytime someone throws out an acronym, I ask what it means, even if I already know it. Too many people throw them around without consideration of others.

The proper way to use acronyms in written correspondence is to define the acronym on it's first use or have a glossary of them at the back.  In conversation there is no reason to use acronyms.

[lordmonar]

Attachment 6. Civil Air Patrol Functional Address Symbols
The following functional address symbols apply to all units unless otherwise indicated and should be used when corresponding to units below National Headquarters. These address symbols are shown by functional areas and should not be construed as duty titles. The exact duty titles are covered by other directives.

So as a Deputy Commander for Seniors (a CAPR 20-1 title) my office symbol is CD-Seniors or CDS, but the abbreviation for my job can certainly be DCS.  Just as the Counter Drug officer is the CDO who's office symbol is DOC.

Yes it get confusing....but since we don't use automated messaging anywhy it does not really matter.

[flyguy06]

The term I have always heard around my wing by more experienced members than myself is DCC. Its what I hear and what I use. it may be the "official regs" term, but its what we say in fact in the entire SER thats what I hear.

But, to answer the original question, I find quite often that the parent of a cadet usually serves as DCC.

[Майор Хаткевич]

The term I have always heard around my wing by more experienced members than myself is DCC. Its what I hear and what I use. it may be the "official regs" term, but its what we say in fact in the entire SER thats what I hear.

But, to answer the original question, I find quite often that the parent of a cadet usually serves as DCC.

Just because it is used, doesn't make it right.

[flyguy06]

Thats very true. But we all use slang and shorthand many times in general conversation. We say things like DFAC and PDQ and others. We call Lt Col's Col's and what not. When asked what unit are you in, a ot of people will say "I'm in VA 109" instead of the actual name of the squadron. Its just common everyday talk. Nothing to get excited about.  Its not that serious.

[BuckeyeDEJ]

For the record, a DC is a communications officer at squadron and group levels (it's DOK at wing level and A6C at region level, at least in SER). If a unit extended DCC as a functional address symbol, I don't know what the additional C would mean.

Calling a deputy commander for cadets a DCC isn't any different from calling a public affairs officer a PAO. For the record, a public affairs officer at virtually every level is a PA, not a PAO. (And it's A6PA at HQ SER, but yeah, they're doing A-staff.)

[lordmonar]

That just illustrates the point.

CAP regulations say nothing about A staff codes that the USAF uses.

Just like calling your service coat your "class A's" is not "right" it hurts on one to call it that.

[Short Field]

But we all use slang and shorthand many times in general conversation. We say things like DFAC and PDQ and others. We call Lt Col's Col's and what not.

That is not slang or shorthand.   IAW Air Force Pamphlet 34-1202, Guide to Protocol, you address a Lt Colonel as Colonel unless you are making a formal introduction.  Same applies to the other ranks, you address officers by their base rank:  a Lt Gen is General, a Brig Gen is General, and a 2nd Lt is Lieutenant.

[flyguy06]

But we all use slang and shorthand many times in general conversation. We say things like DFAC and PDQ and others. We call Lt Col's Col's and what not.

That is not slang or shorthand.   IAW Air Force Pamphlet 34-1202, Guide to Protocol, you address a Lt Colonel as Colonel unless you are making a formal introduction.  Same applies to the other ranks, you address officers by their base rank:  a Lt Gen is General, a Brig Gen is General, and a 2nd Lt is Lieutenant.

Sorry, I couldnt think of an example. Wow. didnt know you'd quote the actual reg to me. How do you guys find the time to do that?

[Майор Хаткевич]

It's really not that hard, and the information can be found in multiple publications.

[Eclipse]

Sorry, I couldnt think of an example. Wow. didnt know you'd quote the actual reg to me. How do you guys find the time to do that?

Assuming its not something you just knew, Google makes short work of searches like that these days.

Besides, there are people who could tell you the shoe sizes of the starting line up of the '37 Toledo Mudhens - its all just about what you're interested in.

[Nick]

But we all use slang and shorthand many times in general conversation. We say things like DFAC and PDQ and others. We call Lt Col's Col's and what not.

That is not slang or shorthand.   IAW Air Force Pamphlet 34-1202, Guide to Protocol, you address a Lt Colonel as Colonel unless you are making a formal introduction.  Same applies to the other ranks, you address officers by their base rank:  a Lt Gen is General, a Brig Gen is General, and a 2nd Lt is Lieutenant.

Sorry, I couldnt think of an example. Wow. didnt know you'd quote the actual reg to me. How do you guys find the time to do that?

To even bring it back closer to CAP World before someone says "we're not the Air Force" -- CAPP 151.

[flyguy06]

But we all use slang and shorthand many times in general conversation. We say things like DFAC and PDQ and others. We call Lt Col's Col's and what not.

That is not slang or shorthand.   IAW Air Force Pamphlet 34-1202, Guide to Protocol, you address a Lt Colonel as Colonel unless you are making a formal introduction.  Same applies to the other ranks, you address officers by their base rank:  a Lt Gen is General, a Brig Gen is General, and a 2nd Lt is Lieutenant.

Sorry, I couldnt think of an example. Wow. didnt know you'd quote the actual reg to me. How do you guys find the time to do that?

To even bring it back closer to CAP World before someone says "we're not the Air Force" -- CAPP 151.

Thanks,

[BlackKnight]

Folks, if you insist on using office symbols for abbreviations, how about using the correct ones.

DCC = does not appear in CAPR 10-1; not sure what it might stand for
CD = Deputy Commander
CDC = Deputy Commander for Cadets, by extension; does not appear in CAPR 10-1
CDS = Deputy Commander for Seniors, by extension; does not appear in CAPR 10-1

I tried hard to get everyone to convert from "DCC" to "CDC" when I was a Group Cadet Programs Development Officer.   I failed miserably.  Even my echelon commander wouldn't acknowledge it!   
 
What I learned from that experience is that even though the nomenclature is not officially authorized, there are certain acronyms that just "work".   "DCC" is one of them.  Everyone seems to understand what it means.  "Class A blues" is another.  It will be interesting to see how long it takes for us to get used to saying "CAP" instead of "CAP-Flight" on our radio calls.

Eventually you have to bow to the demands of effectively communicating with your audience.  Play Don Quixote for too long, tilting at nits, and eventually you'll be performing before a deaf audience.

[EMT-83]

OBC text uses DCC, go figure.

[Eclipse]

OBC text uses DCC, go figure.

I wouldn't hitch my wagon to that - word is the OBC is riddled with grammatical and spelling errors.

Our publications and online systems are a wealth of inconsistencies.