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Cadet Programs => Cadet Programs Management & Activities => Topic started by: 00 on July 13, 2020, 05:32:11 PM

Title: TLC Refresher
Post by: 00 on July 13, 2020, 05:32:11 PM
"2.4.2.3. The TLC Refresher is a brief web-based course for graduates who desire to refresh their
training and review any enhancements made to the Cadet Program during the previous 4 years."

Does anyone know where to find this? I've looked in LMS and AXIS.
Title: Re: TLC Refresher
Post by: dwb on July 13, 2020, 05:37:46 PM
Disregard, I misread.

The TLC refresher doesn't exist yet.
Title: Re: TLC Refresher
Post by: TheSkyHornet on July 15, 2020, 03:55:28 PM
Like many "Will be coming soon" items, this item has yet to come, and soon has yet to arrive.

You'll need to do the refresher in the TLC class to say "current."
Title: Re: TLC Refresher
Post by: Jester on July 16, 2020, 11:22:48 AM
Considering the actual courses haven't been updated yet I don't know if the refresher will ever come online.

I always just add/update the info in my TLC courses myself.  If it's a one-day course required every 4 years, I don't think a web-based refresher is even worth the effort to create and maintain.  Just do the in-person (or remote) version once per Presidential term to stay current.
Title: Re: TLC Refresher
Post by: TheSkyHornet on July 16, 2020, 04:58:00 PM
Quote from: Jester on July 16, 2020, 11:22:48 AMConsidering the actual courses haven't been updated yet I don't know if the refresher will ever come online.

I always just add/update the info in my TLC courses myself.  If it's a one-day course required every 4 years, I don't think a web-based refresher is even worth the effort to create and maintain.  Just do the in-person (or remote) version once per Presidential term to stay current.

I think it would be more beneficial to make an online recurrent an annual or biennial course. I'd like to see it a bit more frequently than every 4 years.

But, if you really want to "stay current," consider being an instructor at a TLC.
Title: Re: TLC Refresher
Post by: Paul Creed III on July 17, 2020, 01:49:45 PM
Quote from: TheSkyHornet on July 16, 2020, 04:58:00 PM
Quote from: Jester on July 16, 2020, 11:22:48 AMConsidering the actual courses haven't been updated yet I don't know if the refresher will ever come online.

I always just add/update the info in my TLC courses myself.  If it's a one-day course required every 4 years, I don't think a web-based refresher is even worth the effort to create and maintain.  Just do the in-person (or remote) version once per Presidential term to stay current.

I think it would be more beneficial to make an online recurrent an annual or biennial course. I'd like to see it a bit more frequently than every 4 years.

But, if you really want to "stay current," consider being an instructor at a TLC.

Let's hope it gets rolled into VOLU so it the course content can be refreshed as needed quickly and courses can be run in-person or online steadily.
Title: Re: TLC Refresher
Post by: Jester on July 17, 2020, 09:10:52 PM
According to the chief of E&T TLC won't be rolled into the new program but will remain under the ownership of CP.
Title: Re: TLC Refresher
Post by: Eclipse on July 17, 2020, 09:34:09 PM
Maxwell, AL, where silos go to die.
Title: Re: TLC Refresher
Post by: PHall on July 17, 2020, 10:12:11 PM
More likely CP wants to keep control so they can make changes and update on their schedule and not rely on someone else to do it when they get around to it.
Title: Re: TLC Refresher
Post by: Eclipse on July 17, 2020, 10:21:11 PM
Yes, that would be the very definition of a silo in this context, and not
how you run an large organizaiton that has cross-functional training needs.
Title: Re: TLC Refresher
Post by: dwb on July 18, 2020, 12:54:55 AM
FWIW, TLC also does not require Volunteer University trained and approved instructors.
Title: Re: TLC Refresher
Post by: Eclipse on July 18, 2020, 01:07:14 AM
Quote from: dwb on July 18, 2020, 12:54:55 AMFWIW, TLC also does not require Volunteer University trained and approved instructors.

Should we start the clock on how long that idea lasts, too?

(And for the record I support it.)
Title: Re: TLC Refresher
Post by: Paul Creed III on July 18, 2020, 12:34:56 PM
Quote from: Eclipse on July 18, 2020, 01:07:14 AM
Quote from: dwb on July 18, 2020, 12:54:55 AMFWIW, TLC also does not require Volunteer University trained and approved instructors.

Should we start the clock on how long that idea lasts, too?

(And for the record I support it.)

Seems to generally work well with all that ES and pilot stuff. (shrugs)

(Speaking as a SET myself who has taught a fair amount. My Wing DO keeps letting me teach students anyway.)
Title: Re: TLC Refresher
Post by: Jester on July 18, 2020, 02:42:12 PM
Quote from: PHall on July 17, 2020, 10:12:11 PMMore likely CP wants to keep control so they can make changes and update on their schedule and not rely on someone else to do it when they get around to it.

Yep, once every other Presidential administration, whether it needs it or not.
Title: Re: TLC Refresher
Post by: TheSkyHornet on July 19, 2020, 01:35:04 PM
Quote from: PHall on July 17, 2020, 10:12:11 PMMore likely CP wants to keep control so they can make changes and update on their schedule and not rely on someone else to do it when they get around to it.

Considering the dynamics of the Cadet Program, and how training methodology changes, not to forget that culture changes rapidly and how we interact with cadets evolves in order to keep their attention and work with them through common adolescent issues of the era...it's not a bad idea to want to be able to move with greater flexibility.
Title: Re: TLC Refresher
Post by: NABodie on January 02, 2021, 02:48:46 PM
Has anyone by chance made a power point for the current TLC Basic and the Intermediate class?  I don't really like Nationals presentation.
Title: Re: TLC Refresher
Post by: Eclipse on January 02, 2021, 06:27:10 PM
Quote from: NABodie on January 02, 2021, 02:48:46 PMHas anyone by chance made a power point for the current TLC Basic and the Intermediate class?

Hopefully not.  It's called a "standardized" curriculum for a reason.
Like them or not, everyone is supposed to see the same materials.

NHQ is finally taking control back of the various classroom materials by the
way they are vetting instructors.  The last thing the organization needs
is more home-grown slides that are "better".
Title: Re: TLC Refresher
Post by: Jester on January 02, 2021, 06:53:47 PM
I make my own and just follow the same outline because I despise PDF-based slides.
Title: Re: TLC Refresher
Post by: Spam on January 02, 2021, 08:17:11 PM
I don't make my own - and I use all the approved curriculum slides - but I confess that I compress significant portions. For example, the time wasted by the "break into small groups and discuss/white board" activities, I gain back by just having the group (which is usually a "small group" by definition) game it out real time. 

Then, I spend the saved time to fill in gaps in the curriculum. For example, I consistently have students tell me that one of the most valuable elements is when I get them up out of their seats for a break, and we go outside and I step them through a practical on how to drill/perform customs and courtesies (like reporting/accepting reporting/promotions and awards).  With the usual 50/50 mix of prior service/prior cadets, and non prior service men and women, this is always a fun time where we all learn.  The objective is to walk through the cadet Leadership Lab practical drill tests, teaching them how to administer the tests (or observe the tests), pointing out pass/fail criteria and common student errors to watch for.  Also, where to go online to get the tests and the LL resources. The result is CP officers who can perform or supervise drill tests to the proper standard - which was a key local CP officer task gap unaddressed by the original TLC curriculum (i.e. you can't just tell some other cadet to "go drill test him" unsupervised, as I've actually seen at a couple of units).

So. I wouldn't write off augmentation for known gaps, as long as the core content of the approved curriculum is preserved in the delivery.

No offense to the developers intended, but the entire enterprise (all our courses, including some of the new ones and the clunky new interface with meaningless icons without any systematic organization) could use a professional redo by someone who is a SME in ISD (instructional system design), working with a human factors engineer to fix the interface.  

PDF page count and filling in 30 minute blocks to meet an arbitrary 8 hour day (plus online videos) is not a good metric of success!


R/s,
Spam
Title: Re: TLC Refresher
Post by: NABodie on January 03, 2021, 11:52:31 AM
Quote from: Eclipse on January 02, 2021, 06:27:10 PMHopefully not.  It's called a "standardized" curriculum for a reason.
Like them or not, everyone is supposed to see the same materials.

NHQ is finally taking control back of the various classroom materials by the
way they are vetting instructors.  The last thing the organization needs
is more home-grown slides that are "better".

I wasn't asking about making changes to the material just having a better presentation.  The PDF's National is putting out aren't as easy to use in a presentation as a Power Point would be. 
Title: Re: TLC Refresher
Post by: Eclipse on January 03, 2021, 06:56:51 PM
Quote from: NABodie on January 03, 2021, 11:52:31 AMThe PDF's National is putting out aren't as easy to use in a presentation as a Power Point would be. 

I've heard this before, it's actually easier - hit F11 and no one can tell the difference.  Clickers still work.

I found the fact that NHQ doesn't produce PPTs anymore questionable as well, however
not everyone has access to PowerPoint (I know for quite a while NHQ wasn't shipping it on
laptops anymore and getting re-install keys was harder then radio encryption keys)
but everyone can open a PDF.
Title: Re: TLC Refresher
Post by: Jester on January 04, 2021, 04:51:33 PM
I've used Google Slides and PowerPoint for them and I definitely think my products are better and more effective.

- Better organized while still maintaining the basic outline and all required material

- Up to date: TLC is horribly outdated and I like having the current stuff visually represented, not verbally tossed in as an afterthought, especially when teaching remotely

- Animated bullets: in my day job as a high school teacher, I find that if a complete textbox is presented right off the bat, the students are reading ahead or writing everything down, which is the opposite of what I want.  I set the animations where a bullet point comes up with each click, keeping the group in the same place as much as possible and allowing for undivided attention.

- Deeper dives in the material: I add relevant things that support the lesson objectives and give a deeper understanding (most CAP things are far too shallow and pitched at the lowest common denominator for students and instructors, which is understandable but I aim higher).  For example, my Effective Volunteer Teams class includes a couple of book suggestions and some extra concepts pulled out of them.

Feedback has always been positive and I think I do a good job trying to solicit it. 
Title: Re: TLC Refresher
Post by: Eclipse on January 04, 2021, 05:03:26 PM
Quote from: Jester on January 04, 2021, 04:51:33 PM- Up to date: TLC is horribly outdated and I like having the current stuff visually represented, not verbally tossed in as an afterthought, especially when teaching remotely

You're referring to the new version?

Quote from: Jester on January 04, 2021, 04:51:33 PM- Deeper dives in the material: I add relevant things that support the lesson objectives and give a deeper understanding

Who has vetted your "deeper dive"?  That's the issue.

Good, bad, or otherwise, it's supposed to be the same for everyone without "deeper dives".
You can do those in other forums and training sessions.

Not saying anything you're conveying is incorrect, but I've spent a lot of time in
SLS/CLC/TLC/UCC correcting people's "deeper dives".

If you present the material as published, there is no room for wives' tales and rumor.
Title: Re: TLC Refresher
Post by: Jester on January 04, 2021, 05:19:02 PM
Quote from: Eclipse on January 04, 2021, 05:03:26 PM
Quote from: Jester on January 04, 2021, 04:51:33 PM- Up to date: TLC is horribly outdated and I like having the current stuff visually represented, not verbally tossed in as an afterthought, especially when teaching remotely

You're referring to the new version?

Quote from: Jester on January 04, 2021, 04:51:33 PM- Deeper dives in the material: I add relevant things that support the lesson objectives and give a deeper understanding

Who has vetted your "deeper dive"?  That's the issue.

Good, bad, or otherwise, it's supposed to be the same for everyone without "deeper dives".
You can do those in other forums and training sessions.

Not saying anything you're conveying is incorrect, but I've spent a lot of time in
SLS/CLC/TLC/UCC correcting people's "deeper dives".

If you present the material as published, there is no room for wives' tales and rumor.

The 2016 material that's posted for TLC reflects none of the big changes that have taken place in 2018 regarding cadet advancement, for example.  It still references 52 series pubs.  And when teaching TLC in the age of COVID, I'd be a no-go if I didn't include references to the current waivers that many entry-level CP officers (and some that have been around a while, unfortunately) don't even know about.

As far as extra material, in my experience no CAP lesson plan ever actually fills the time it's supposed to.  We have an institutional predisposition to finish up early.  If I can do something with that white space on top of the required material that meets the objectives and results in better-prepared members, that's within my skillset as an instructor and I'll do it. 

If other instructors don't meet my standard that's fine as long as they meet the CAP standard, but we can't spout "excellence as a core value" by restricting people to the lowest common denominator.  I crush objectives and keep going.