New CAP Membership Card makes me sick!

[mikeylikey]

(General) Colgan just got his new ID Card....it says "US Civil Air Patrol" on the front of it in place of the Civil Air Patrol, US Air Force Auxiliary.  What the crap is up with that?  I give up......we are now officially the US Civil Air Patrol.  Anyone else get this new card?  I am disappointed!!

[pixelwonk]

And I thought you were going to say Colgan's picture made you sick   

[mikeylikey]

^  Well that was a given!

[JC004]

And I thought you were going to say Colgan's picture made you sick   

Tedda.   

Now given the two options allowed for the name by the CAP Bylaws, I would have preferred option B over the odd option C, which strangely doesn't seem to be listed in the Bylaws.   

2.1 The name of Civil Air Patrol may be stated by any of the following:
a. "Civil Air Patrol"
b. "Civil Air Patrol, incorporated under Special Act of Congress approved July 1, 1946, Public Law 476, 79th Congress"

and here is the silliness itself:

[SDF_Specialist]

That's funny. I just renewed a month ago, and transferred a week ago, and mine doesn't say U.S. Civil Air Patrol.

[LeoBurke]

Thank Tony! 

He stood up in the Winter Board meeting and told everyone that he recieved an email from someone in South America, who also has a Civil Air Patrol.  So he suggested that we be called the US Civil Air Patrol. 

A comprehensive google search was unable to find ANY "Civil Air Patrol"  Outside the United States.  I hate to think the NB was mislead....

But what do I know?  Maybe there is lots of confusion amongst the CAP's. 

[JC004]

that's because the Brazilian CAP site isn't in English...

[LeoBurke]

Holy Crap.

http://www.pacmirassol.com.br/

It is clearly a complete rip off of CAP.  But it does exist.

Maybe all the other things they said about Geneal Pineda were untrue.....

[JC004]

By all means, let's make way for them. 

Bring it on, Brazil!  I bet you don't have these!  ::lifts CAP sword into the air, shouting "SARrrrrrrr"::

[LtCol White]

By all means, let's make way for them. 

Bring it on, Brazil!  I bet you don't have these!  ::lifts CAP sword into the air, shouting "SARrrrrrrr"::

Suddenly I have an image of "The Pirates of Penzance" 

[JohnKachenmeister]

There is also a Civil Air Patrol in Australia.  Strictly SAR, no cadets, not governmental, not military.

[Major Carrales]

A comprehensive google search was unable to find ANY "Civil Air Patrol"  Outside the United States.  I hate to think the NB was mislead....

Austalia
http://www.auscap.org.au/

Colombia
http://www.patrullaerea.org/

Brazil
http://www.pacmirassol.com.br/

I read the Brazilian site and I believe someone from the US saw CAP and duplicated in there in the 1950s.  The Aussies seemed to have adapted the CAP to teh Commonwealth and the Colombian one is more like "flying doctors."


Brazilian CAP (PAC) Rank Officers


Brazilian CAP (PAC) Enlisted

[AlphaSigOU]

A comprehensive google search was unable to find ANY "Civil Air Patrol"  Outside the United States.  I hate to think the NB was mislead....

Austalia
http://www.auscap.org.au/

Colombia
http://www.patrullaerea.org/

Brazil
http://www.pacmirassol.com.br/

Now folks... be aware of the following:

Australian CAP and the Patrulha Aérea Civil of Brazil are strictly a search and rescue/ES organization. No cadet program. The Colombian CAP functions similar to Angel Flight.

[JohnKachenmeister]

Well, they are not a TOTAL rip-off of our CAP.  THEY have multi-engine aircraft, helicopters, berets, and subdued name tapes (But WHAT is with those sleeve patches!?)

[DHollywood]

(But WHAT is with those sleeve patches!?)

They're frikkin LARGE!!!

Dont let TP see........ I can just imagine the next generation of wing patches...  8 inches tall......  Freud would have loved it!

[O-Rex]

The main thing is that the "United States Air Force Auxiliary" still appears on the card, and thats what counts.

loved the Brazilian chart.

Its a long way to Brazil, with winding roads through the Amazon Jungle: the black vans might need off-road tires.

[SDF_Specialist]

I guess we should just be thankful that we aren't a part of the Army. With all of the badges they are allowed to wear, we'd never make it through an airport. Although the Army may support us better like they did the few years before the USAF.

[Walkman]

I got my perm. membership card a couple of weeks ago and it still says 'Civil Air Patrol" at the top. No "U.S.".

[Pylon]

I got my perm. membership card a couple of weeks ago and it still says 'Civil Air Patrol" at the top. No "U.S.".

The title of the topic is wrong; they're speaking about the new CAP Photo ID Card, not the standard-issue membership card.  The Photo ID card is an optional card that costs $4 and can be ordered via e-services.

[floridacyclist]

Holy Crap.

http://www.pacmirassol.com.br/

It is clearly a complete rip off of CAP.  But it does exist.

Right down to the seal. Wonder what they say the 13 stars around the eagle and shield stand for? When did we adopt that general logo design anyway?

[JohnKachenmeister]

Gene:

The CAP seal, the eagle sitting on the clouds above the shield, with the 13 stars has been around as long as I can remember, and that means since before 1963.  I'm pretty sure it was adopted shortly after the Air Force transfered us over from the Army.

The Brazilian CAP has been around since 1950, according to their website.

"General Pineda, there are two Brazilian CAP officers here to see you."

"Gawd, how'd that many get through the door?  How many is a brazilian, anyway?"

[IceNine]

ROFL

I just got my new Photo ID, and I kinda like the distortion in the picture, it makes me look skinny, and TALL

[Matt]

My only question is... yes the tapes were approved... but doesn't the USAF have to approve the change to the card?  I mean a change is a change is a change, afterall.

[mikeylikey]

The tapes were approved?  The AF came down and said we will allow you to wear US Civil Air Patrol branch tapes? 

[Pylon]

My only question is... yes the tapes were approved... but doesn't the USAF have to approve the change to the card?  I mean a change is a change is a change, afterall.

Bah, details... why bother with 'em?   The governing AFI over CAP only says that AF must approve identification cards for CAP.   

[ELTHunter]

Holy Crap.

http://www.pacmirassol.com.br/

It is clearly a complete rip off of CAP.  But it does exist.

Maybe all the other things they said about Geneal Pineda were untrue.....

Now we know where Tony got his inspiration for the TPU

[JC004]

Holy Crap.

http://www.pacmirassol.com.br/

It is clearly a complete rip off of CAP.  But it does exist.

Maybe all the other things they said about Geneal Pineda were untrue.....

Now we know where Tony got his inspiration for the TPU

And where FLWG got the idea for their wing patch.  I was looking at some pictures of the Brazilians in their fatigues.  They have the seal (OUR SEAL!) above their left top pocket.

[SAR-EMT1]

Now I know why we took off our Wing Patches...
Gawd, did you see the HUGE seal on the Brazillians Shoulders and on the epulets?

Im stunned to say this but, thank you Tony, for distancing us from Brazil.

[mikeylikey]

Now I know why we took off our Wing Patches...
Gawd, did you see the HUGE seal on the Brazilians Shoulders and on the epaulets?

I'm stunned to say this but, thank you Tony, for distancing us from Brazil.

Or Brazil said......get your freaking patches off, we own the right to wear your patches on our sleeves!

[a2capt]

Interesting - the ID card as we know it took national nearly two years to come up with. They said the Air Force had to approve it.

Meanwhile the Coast Guard Aux. has a card that looks a lot more professional, pretty darn similar to a military ID. Guess what we get?

I'll admit it is much nicer than the thing they send you at the beginning.

However- the first ones they sent out were pretty awful, so how did that get past the 'inspectors'?

Looked like they robbed the .gif file from the web site and left the transparency pixels in there.

I think CAP needs to clean up the National CC mess and the ID card mess, put a new face on the organization in both the press and at identification times so they don't snicker at us while presenting ID at the gate to get on base.

[JC004]

...
Looked like they robbed the .gif file from the web site and left the transparency pixels in there.
...

How about they just learn to print the gray to the edges of the card?!

[TankerT]

I have never had a problem using the new photo ID to get onto Navy, Army and Air Force bases in CONUS, nor have I had problems using it to get onto allied military bases in Europe. 

I have never been laughed at, or been snickered at.  Just saluted, or greeted professionally, and waved through.  (With an occasional question as to why I was at the base.) 

[JCJ]

I have never had a problem using the new photo ID to get onto Navy, Army and Air Force bases in CONUS, nor have I had problems using it to get onto allied military bases in Europe. 

I have never been laughed at, or been snickered at.  Just saluted, or greeted professionally, and waved through.  (With an occasional question as to why I was at the base.) 

ditto...

CONUS only, but always greeted in the same way...

[pixelwonk]

I have never been laughed at, or been snickered at. 

Not by them, at least. 

[mikeylikey]

I have never been laughed at, or been snickered at. 

Not by them, at least. 

until you drive away and they turn to their buddy and say "did you get a look at that ID card thingy.........what a joke".

[Eagle400]

Meanwhile the Coast Guard Aux. has a card that looks a lot more professional, pretty darn similar to a military ID. Guess what we get?

That's because the Coast Guard Auxiliary leadership actually honor their parent service.  The Coast Guard Auxiliary doesn't have a commander who comes up with a new uniform just to suit himself and defy uniform decisions made by the parent service, among other egregious acts.    

I think CAP needs to clean up the National CC mess and the ID card mess, put a new face on the organization in both the press and at identification times so they don't snicker at us while presenting ID at the gate to get on base.

That would take an act of Congress at this point.  That's how bad the mess has become. 

[pixelwonk]

Strange, my Auxie ID doesn't look so sierra-hotel to me.  Just a plain 'ol ID card, and not even half as good a window scraper as my CAP one.

[mikeylikey]

Meanwhile the Coast Guard Aux. has a card that looks a lot more professional, pretty darn similar to a military ID. Guess what we get?

That's because the Coast Guard Auxiliary leadership actually honor their parent service.  The Coast Guard Auxiliary doesn't have a commander who comes up with a new uniform just to suit himself and defy uniform decisions made by the parent service, among other egregious acts.     

I think CAP needs to clean up the National CC mess and the ID card mess, put a new face on the organization in both the press and at identification times so they don't snicker at us while presenting ID at the gate to get on base.

That would take an act of Congress at this point.  That's how bad the mess has become. 

Mr Spade, may I call you that since my keyboard doesn't have a spade symbol key, The Coast Guard AUX is a true service auxiliary, whilest CAP is not.  

Side question......were you someone else before becoming "deck of cards thing"?  Like did you change your name thingy?

[PaulR]

(General) Colgan just got his new ID Card....it says "US Civil Air Patrol" on the front of it in place of the Civil Air Patrol, US Air Force Auxiliary.  What the crap is up with that?  I give up......we are now officially the US Civil Air Patrol.  Anyone else get this new card?  I am disappointed!!

Why is this upsetting?  All of our other branches of service are preceded in title by, "US".   I dont see the issue...

[mikeylikey]

(General) Colgan just got his new ID Card....it says "US Civil Air Patrol" on the front of it in place of the Civil Air Patrol, US Air Force Auxiliary.  What the crap is up with that?  I give up......we are now officially the US Civil Air Patrol.  Anyone else get this new card?  I am disappointed!!

Why is this upsetting?  All of our other branches of service are preceded in title by, "US".   I don't see the issue...

It is not our ORGNAIZTIONS name?  Or.....it was never voted on.  Or it was never amended to the CAP constitution.

[Eagle400]

Why is this upsetting?  All of our other branches of service are preceded in title by, "US".   I dont see the issue...

It's upsetting because it's the result of a decision made to change the name of the organization without changing the CAP Constitution & Bylaws and USC first.  These two documents dictate what names the organization shall use.

NAME AND STATUS
The name of the Corporation shall be "Civil Air Patrol" and its status is that of the volunteer civilian auxiliary of the United States Air Force. The Corporation may also be referred to as "Civil Air Patrol" or by such other titles as may be approved in the Bylaws.

NAME AND CORPORATE SEAL
2.1 The name of Civil Air Patrol may be stated by any of the following:
a. "Civil Air Patrol"
b. "Civil Air Patrol, incorporated under Special Act of Congress approved July 1, 1946, Public Law 476, 79th Congress"
2.2 Each unit, including National Headquarters, shall use a name expressing its designation, the words "Civil Air Patrol" and may also refer to its status as the United States Air Force Auxiliary as set forth in regulations.

The corporation has the exclusive right to use the name "Civil Air Patrol" and all insignia, copyrights, emblems, badges, descriptive or designating marks, words, and phrases the corporation adopts. This section does not affect any vested rights.

a) Volunteer Civilian Auxiliary. - The Civil Air Patrol is a volunteer civilian auxiliary of the Air Force when the services of the Civil Air Patrol are used by any department or agency in any branch of the Federal Government.

Emphasis mine. 

None of these documents refer to "U.S. Civil Air Patrol" or allow for the use of that name in any document or title.  In order to legally use "U.S. Civil Air Patrol", the Constitution & Bylaws and USC would have to be changed to include "U.S. Civil Air Patrol."

[docspur]

I personally would be proud to be right along side the US ARMY, US NAVY, US AIR FORCE, US MARINES, US COAST GUARD  with a US CIVIL AIR PATROL.  But....  Since we are US AIR FORCE AUXILIARY, CIVIL AIR PATROL then the extra US becomes redundant.

US AIR FORCE AUXILIARY, US CIVIL AIR PATROL?  Nope, doesn't work.

Capt D

[TankerT]

I have never been laughed at, or been snickered at. 

Not by them, at least. 

... in reference to my ID card anyway...

/I like Snickers... and Kit Kats too...

[rdmcii]

When I was a cadet (upper Ice Age) South Korea had a CAP too. We hosted IACE cadets from there. Their wings were just like ours, only larger.

Bob

[docspur]

Kit Kats too...

mmmm.... Kit Kats.