So our squadron commander is leaving us soon for the army, and there's going to be staff selection. I REALLY wan to be a flight sergeant. One problem though.. I'm A1C. Any tips? Our squadron is all airmen and NCOS except 1 officer. It's mostly higher ups getting their Mitchell soon, and low grade airmen. Any tips for giving myself the best chance? I know drill very well, I've been to EPS, and I'm going to encampment this summer. So I know drill, I do good with pt, I know and perform customs and courtesies. Any advice? Thanks.
An A1C is a bit low of a rank to become a flight sergeant. You still have time to get a position.
Promote quickly, and maybe you can be C/SSgt. by the time they leave.
The Bravo flight sergeant is an A1C. Overall my squadron is made up of a lot of low ranking individuals. We have 1 officer. Lol.
And I most definitely will promote quickly, I have been, thanks!
I would take a look at this, (http://www.capmembers.com/media/cms/P052_015_21F7ACED34F45.pdf) also.
An A1C isn't high enough rank to be in charge of a flight. Regardless of your squadron's amount of officers/NCOs. The senior staff should take over positions if no one can fill them.
Regardless of your grade, it never hurts to try.
I would suggest that if you really want it, you will need to learn everything there is about D&C and C&C because that is where you will be needed the most as a Flight Sergeant. If you think you are good at them, try to be better!
Set the example with your attitude and appearance as well. Look perfect everytime you go to a meeting. Expect the best out of yourself and then you will be able to be a successful Flight Sergeant and more!
If you don't get the position, see if you can be an Element Leader. Then try again when the position opens up. You will already have the experience and attitude you need to be a successful leader.
The only thing that can hold you back is someone telling you that you can't!
Quote from: Extremepredjudice on May 12, 2012, 05:51:27 PM
The senior staff should take over positions if no one can fill them.
No. NO. No.
I'm guessing he means that seniors shouldnt be flight sergeants?
Quote from: Extremepredjudice on May 12, 2012, 05:51:27 PM
The senior staff should take over positions if no one can fill them.
:o Um...What? I doubt that would go over well.
Quote from: Cashboy on May 13, 2012, 05:12:45 PM
Quote from: Extremepredjudice on May 12, 2012, 05:51:27 PM
The senior staff should take over positions if no one can fill them.
:o Um...What? I doubt that would go over well.
It is what the cadet staff handbook says.
Quote from: Cashboy on May 13, 2012, 05:12:45 PM
Quote from: Extremepredjudice on May 12, 2012, 05:51:27 PM
The senior staff should take over positions if no one can fill them.
:o Um...What? I doubt that would go over well.
Perhaps not, but it is encouraged by the Cadet Staff Handbook.
"...if the unit is bottom-heavy – perhaps it is brand new or
rebuilding –
the senior staff will need to take a more hands-on
approach. In the absence of mature cadet officers, the senior staff
must fulfill the goal-setting, planning, and decision-making functions
until junior cadets acquire some rank, maturity, and leadership skills.
The senior staff may even need to instruct cadets in fundamental subjects
like drill and the wear of the uniform,
performing duties normally
assigned to cadet NCOs. Hopefully, cadets will progress quickly and
earn entry-level leadership positions.
When that happens, the senior
staff should gradually delegate more authority to the cadets and
enlarge the cadet staff's sense of autonomy. In other words, every time
the cadet staff takes one step forward in the Cadet Program, the senior
staff should take one step back." (CAPP52-15, Cadet Staff Handbook, Dated Feb, 2012, Section 1.4, page 3)
Edit: Emphasis mine
Quote from: 68w10 on May 13, 2012, 06:11:58 PM
Quote from: Cashboy on May 13, 2012, 05:12:45 PM
Quote from: Extremepredjudice on May 12, 2012, 05:51:27 PM
The senior staff should take over positions if no one can fill them.
:o Um...What? I doubt that would go over well.
Perhaps not, but it is encouraged by the Cadet Staff Handbook.
"...if the unit is bottom-heavy – perhaps it is brand new or
rebuilding – the senior staff will need to take a more hands-on
approach. In the absence of mature cadet officers, the senior staff
must fulfill the goal-setting, planning, and decision-making functions
until junior cadets acquire some rank, maturity, and leadership skills.
The senior staff may even need to instruct cadets in fundamental subjects
like drill and the wear of the uniform, performing duties normally
assigned to cadet NCOs. Hopefully, cadets will progress quickly and
earn entry-level leadership positions. When that happens, the senior
staff should gradually delegate more authority to the cadets and
enlarge the cadet staff's sense of autonomy. In other words, every time
the cadet staff takes one step forward in the Cadet Program, the senior
staff should take one step back." (CAPP52-15, Cadet Staff Handbook, Dated Feb, 2012, Section 1.4, page 3)
Edit: Emphasis mine
It is encouraged but good luck finding a few senior members to do that. And the OP said that they did have NCOs. The NCOs should be able to handle the flights, but maybe senior member
guidance for command staff levels.
We seniors are here for more reasons than our good looks and charisma 8).
Quote from: Danger on May 12, 2012, 05:11:38 PM
Our squadron is all airmen and NCOS except 1 officer. It's mostly higher ups getting their Mitchell soon, and low grade airmen.
It would seem that most of those NCOs won't be NCOs much longer. That being said, I'll acknowledge that this isn't necessarily a case for SMs standing in for non-existent C/NCOs. Given the circumstances, I'd recommend having those soon-to-be C/Officers step in as C/NCOs until the current crop of C/Airmen can promote to C/NCO grades.
As for the OP, I would recommend continuing your education and training rapidly to prepare yourself to be of service to your Squadron as a Flight Sgt once you reach NCO grade.
Quote from: Spaceman3750 on May 13, 2012, 06:43:44 PM
We seniors are here for more reasons than our good looks and charisma 8).
I forgot! You guys have to supervise us also! 8) Just messing. But how many SMs would function well in those positions?
Quote from: Cashboy on May 13, 2012, 07:34:48 PM
Quote from: Spaceman3750 on May 13, 2012, 06:43:44 PM
We seniors are here for more reasons than our good looks and charisma 8).
I forgot! You guys have to supervise us also! 8) Just messing. But how many SMs would function well in those positions?
What makes you think that SMs wouldn't "function well"? What are your specific concerns over the idea? My questions are sincere, I'd like to better understand where you're coming from with this line of argument.
I believe what the handbook is saying is that absent senior ranking and mature cadets that SMs should take a more active role in instructing things such as D&C, uniforms, C&C etc, not fill the role of a flt sgt or flight commander.
Quote from: abdsp51 on May 13, 2012, 07:50:54 PM
I believe what the handbook is saying is that absent senior ranking and mature cadets that SMs should take a more active role in instructing things such as D&C, uniforms, C&C etc, not fill the role of a flt sgt or flight commander.
I disagree. Based on the excerpt that I posted, the handbook makes it fairly clear that SMs should step in and fulfill both C/NCO and C/Officer roles if there are no Cadets of sufficient rank/maturity/etc to fulfill those roles.
That being said, I personally feel that SMs should be VERY hesitant to fill these roles. SMs should only be stepping in if there are NO alternative options.
Years ago, I was part of a composite squadron that was very low on cadet membership (as in 1 and that was after a recruiting effort!). We ended up changing locations and started a more rigorous recruiting drive ending up with almost 30 cadets.
At the time, the Deputy Commander of Cadets and Squadron Leadership Officer (me) spent time working directly with the cadets on a regular basis until they got the hang of what was expected of them. We even gave each cadet a chance to lead the other cadets. A few weeks later, we turned an Airman First Class loose to lead the cadets.
Because we told them what was expected of them, gave them the hands-on training they needed to meet those expectations, and gave one of them the resposibility to lead the others in meeting those expectations, we ended up with a larger and more successful squadron that it was in the past.
BTW, that cadet A1C received his Spaatz Award later down the road and I believe is still currently an officer in the United States Air Force.
Grade on the collar doesn't make a difference on the leadership abilities one may posess. I feel SM's may help support the cadets, but I don't think they should fill the positions directly.
We'll have to agree to disagree the senior cadets should have been training the junior ones to replace them. If you read the excerpt in entirety that you posted it does not say fulfill duties as a flt sgt etc. It is focused on instruction the cadets in topics and having a more hands on approach in the decision making process. A cadet airman with the proper guidance and mentorship can lead just as efficiently as a cadet NCO. I think you are misinterpreting the intent of the passage you have quoted.
Quote from: abdsp51 on May 13, 2012, 08:17:39 PM
the senior cadets should have been training the junior ones to replace them.
One of the recurring themes in the handbook is the idea that there is no "cookie cutter squadron," and I feel that that applies here. In a perfect world, CP SMs should be taking a backseat role; observing their Cadets in leadership positions at all levels and stepping in ONLY to provide necessary feedback, requested input, and to prevent potential safety/hazing issues. Unfortunately, this is generally not the case. The senior Cadets should absolutely have been training their replacements, but what if they didn't?
Then they have set the junior cadets and potentially the unit if the SMs are not watching the dynamic up for failure.
Quote from: abdsp51 on May 13, 2012, 08:30:34 PM
Then they have set the junior cadets and potentially the unit if the SMs are not watching the dynamic up for failure.
My apologies, I was not asking for a direct answer, but rather trying to continue the discussion in a slightly different direction. Let's say you join a new Squadron which is experiencing the circumstances that we've described. It's a very rare situation, but still an interesting thought experiment. What would you do in order to fix the issues that we've discussed?
Take a look at the dynamic. The OP stated they were top heavy well there is a good chunk of leadership there. Now they should be training someone to take their place for when they leave for what ever reason, just as the C/CC should be doing for when he/she steps down, leaves etc. If you have a dynamic C/A1C or SrA give them a shot they may surprise you in a leadership dynamic. Now that is if the senior cadets are unable or unwilling to fulfill those roles. I took over as C/CC in my first unit as a cadet NCO, and before anyone says something this was in the 90's before there was the staff handbook and everything else.
In the event you are that bottom heavy, you can still fill your slots and have the rest sit empty until someone can fulfill the role. In this aspect the CPOs in the unit should take a more active role in instructing the cadets in the materials that a senior cadet would be doing. The should also take an active role in mentoring and helping those filling the roles to be the best they can be especially if the cadet/s in question are filling big shoes.
In an ideal unit the CPOs would observe and mentor the cadets especially the cadet staff in executing the program, to ensure that the goals are met IAW with established policies.
Quote from: 68w10 on May 13, 2012, 07:40:06 PM
Quote from: Cashboy on May 13, 2012, 07:34:48 PM
Quote from: Spaceman3750 on May 13, 2012, 06:43:44 PM
We seniors are here for more reasons than our good looks and charisma 8).
I forgot! You guys have to supervise us also! 8) Just messing. But how many SMs would function well in those positions?
What makes you think that SMs wouldn't "function well"? What are your specific concerns over the idea? My questions are sincere, I'd like to better understand where you're coming from with this line of argument.
Here are my sincere answers, In the Learn to Lead materials it says something along the lines of, "You don't have to be a commander to lead." Senior members should be supervising and guiding the cadets, not directly leading them and training them. I am not saying that senior members are not capable. The OP said that there would be junior officers soon who should be training the cadets. The SMs are perfectly capable of assisting the cadets and training them.
Edited for clarity.
Quote from: Cashboy on May 13, 2012, 10:47:23 PM
Quote from: 68w10 on May 13, 2012, 07:40:06 PM
Quote from: Cashboy on May 13, 2012, 07:34:48 PM
Quote from: Spaceman3750 on May 13, 2012, 06:43:44 PM
We seniors are here for more reasons than our good looks and charisma 8).
I forgot! You guys have to supervise us also! 8) Just messing. But how many SMs would function well in those positions?
What makes you think that SMs wouldn't "function well"? What are your specific concerns over the idea? My questions are sincere, I'd like to better understand where you're coming from with this line of argument.
Here are my sincere answers, SMs would not have the same training as the cadets for handling a flight and running it. Even if they were ex-cadets it would be difficult for them to adapt. That is also not the role of the senior member. That is the role of a cadet. In the Learn to Lead materials it says something along the lines of, "You don't have to be a commander to lead." Senior members should be supervising and guiding the cadets, not directly leading them and training them. The OP said that there would be junior officers soon who should be training the cadets. There should be no need for senior members to be filling direct cadet positions.
There does not take much "training" to be a flt sgt. Many SMs are managers, section chiefs, or whichever titles are used in their day to day jobs. Be careful in throwing assumptions around.
Quote from: Cashboy on May 13, 2012, 10:47:23 PM
Here are my sincere answers, SMs would not have the same training as the cadets for handling a flight and running it. Even if they were ex-cadets it would be difficult for them to adapt.
Oh, really? Are you suggesting that when a cadet turns SM that they suddenly and magically lose all the skills they worked so hard to learn as a cadet?
Sir, I just realized my mistake and changed my post to reflect more on my opinions. Senior members often have more leadership experience than cadets. What I meant to say was that cadets should be furthering their education, not that senior members could not do that job. Stuck my foot in my mouth... :-X
Quote from: Cashboy on May 13, 2012, 11:18:59 PM
Sir, I just realized my mistake and changed my post to reflect more on my opinions. Senior members often have more leadership experience than cadets. What I meant to say was that cadets should be furthering their education, not that senior members could not do that job. Stuck my foot in my mouth... :-X
It happens which is why it's always wise to think about how something sounds prior to clicking post or send. Humility is a good attribute to have. You saw the error of your ways and took responsibility for it. Now let's get back to the discussion on hand.
Thanks a lot gentlemen, I'll definitely try to get to C/SSGT before the next staff selection. And if not, I hope my staff will see leadership potential in me. I'll definitely study hard on D&C and C&C. I appreciate the advice.
I have known cadet commanders who were C/A1C's...There is usually a difference between what is preferable and what actually happens. The important thing is to do what you can, when you can, with what you have, when you have it. My two cents anyway...
EDIT: Grammar ;D its late...
Quote from: commando1 on May 20, 2012, 04:40:39 AM
I have known cadet commanders who were C/A1C's...There is usually a difference between what is preferable and what actually happens.
In other words, a C/A1C cadet commander is
not usual and
NOT preferred.
Cadet Commanders at A1C? CHALLENGE ACCEPTED (;
Quote from: commando1 on May 20, 2012, 04:40:39 AM
I have known cadet commanders who were C/A1C's...There is usually a difference between what is preferable and what actually happens. The important thing is to do what you can, when you can, with what you have, when you have it. My two cents anyway...
The thing that is right for the cadets involved is to allow them to progress naturally as the program dictates, and have the seniors do the commanding
until such time as a cadet gets to officer level.
having an A1C as commander is a real good way to burn him out and frustrate him early and accelerate his leaving CAP. A unit with that few cadets
is already "challenged" in a number of areas, having a cadet commander who can barely spell CAP isn't going to make things easier.
Some A1C's can be pretty proficient and knowledgeable. It depends on the person. Myself and other A1Cs are very different. It all depends on the person, not their rank.
No, it actually doesn't.
Sharp or otherwise, there are experiential lessons that are one of the reasons you can't challenge Spaatz. You're supposed to wear the grade and walk under it for a while, performing the follower ship long before you geta chance to be a leader.
There's simply no way that a C/A1C can have the necessary experience to fulfill such a high-up officer role. Plain and simple.
i agree with Sergeant Donovan, you can NOT take on such a high responsibility with that low grade. Being an C/A1C can mean a few things, either that you're new to the program, so you don't have enough experiance, or that you've been in a while and are just too lazy to promote, which shows alot about your character.
Quote from: Sgt. Palmer on May 21, 2012, 08:52:44 PM
i agree with Sergeant Donovan, you can NOT take on such a high responsibility with that low grade. Being an C/A1C can mean a few things, either that you're new to the program, so you don't have enough experiance, or that you've been in a while and are just too lazy to promote, which shows alot about your character.
Not a 100% correct. I couldn't pass PT for the longest time because I was 60 pounds heavier than I am now. I worked real hard then, with commendations to prove it. Now I am a Flight Sgt (and a SSgt going for TSgt). Not promoting is an area that can be black and white in most situations, but some times it is a grey area. Just food for thought because a huge part of leadership is knowing your men and knowing what holds them back or what pushes them forward.
EDIT: I don't want this to come off any more than simply don't judge the book by it's cover (or in this case judge the rank by the actions). Some cadets do flop in and out of physical fitness, especially if the standards get harder.
There is a lot more to the cadet program than attending 8 meetings per stripe.
Thus two years of A1C does not make you "more qualified" at anything except A1C.
Quote from: Littleguy on May 22, 2012, 12:22:19 AM
Not a 100% correct. I couldn't pass PT for the longest time because I was 60 pounds heavier than I am now. I worked real hard then, with commendations to prove it. Now I am a Flight Sgt (and a SSgt going for TSgt). Not promoting is an area that can be black and white in most situations, but some times it is a grey area. Just food for thought because a huge part of leadership is knowing your men and knowing what holds them back or what pushes them forward.
EDIT: I don't want this to come off any more than simply don't judge the book by it's cover (or in this case judge the rank by the actions). Some cadets do flop in and out of physical fitness, especially if the standards get harder.
Look at it this way:
How could a C/A1C have the necessary experience, education, and training to be a Cadet Commander, or even a Flight Sergeant if:
A: They haven't read, studied, and been tested on the material that teaches them how to do so
B: They (hopefully) haven't served at such a position in their squadron (assuming their squadron isn't giving positions to the wrong people)
C: They haven't served at that position in another instance, like at Encampment, by teaching classes at conference, or heading up and administrating a big event or program
The reason that the cadet was a cadet commander at C/A1C is because it was a new cadet unit with like 5 active cadets. He was, therefore, the most qualified cadet in the unit. He was the squadron commanders' son also. (Which explains a lot).
Quote from: titanII on May 22, 2012, 01:46:56 AM
Quote from: Littleguy on May 22, 2012, 12:22:19 AM
Not a 100% correct. I couldn't pass PT for the longest time because I was 60 pounds heavier than I am now. I worked real hard then, with commendations to prove it. Now I am a Flight Sgt (and a SSgt going for TSgt). Not promoting is an area that can be black and white in most situations, but some times it is a grey area. Just food for thought because a huge part of leadership is knowing your men and knowing what holds them back or what pushes them forward.
EDIT: I don't want this to come off any more than simply don't judge the book by it's cover (or in this case judge the rank by the actions). Some cadets do flop in and out of physical fitness, especially if the standards get harder.
Look at it this way:
How could a C/A1C have the necessary experience, education, and training to be a Cadet Commander, or even a Flight Sergeant if:
A: They haven't read, studied, and been tested on the material that teaches them how to do so
B: They (hopefully) haven't served at such a position in their squadron (assuming their squadron isn't giving positions to the wrong people)
C: They haven't served at that position in another instance, like at Encampment, by teaching classes at conference, or heading up and administrating a big event or program
Good points. I see where you're coming from. I'd say if the person is clearly competent, than they are an exception but the points you do make are very vaild and disqualify most of the people who don't promote on a timely manner.
Quote from: commando1 on May 22, 2012, 02:10:49 AM
The reason that the cadet was a cadet commander at C/A1C is because it was a new cadet unit with like 5 active cadets. He was, therefore, the most qualified cadet in the unit. He was the squadron commanders' son also. (Which explains a lot).
In cases like these, the proper thing to do is have senior members run the unit until a cadet(s) progresses to the appropriate level to be a cadet commander.
Yes that would take several years.
Robbing a cadet of the followership experience isn't fair to anyone.
Quote from: Littleguy on May 22, 2012, 02:11:14 AMI'd say if the person is clearly competent, than they are an exception but the points you do make are very vaild and disqualify most of the people who don't promote on a timely manner.
If the cadet is competent, they will progress in the program to a point where their grade matches their skill level. Being competent indicates that they should have no problem getting to those higher grades. If it were my unit, a C/A1C would be an element leader, or a general element member, regardless of how many cadets there were.
If they want to be a Cadet Commander that bad, they can get promoted about 9 more times and then we'd have the discussion. Just because someone is the highest ranking, or has the most experience (as little as that may be) doesn't mean that they are the commander. Having the title of Commander infers greater responsibility than should ever be placed on a C/A1C.
Any unit that does this to their cadets is only hurting themselves because cadets will see that there is no real need to progress in the program, no need to expand the unit, etc, when you can be the top dog at any point along the promotion cycle.
I have a Cadet Commander. He is a C/Capt and has 40 other cadets under his command. He has a staff (as small as it may be, and he is responsible for a much larger scope than a C/A1C in charge of 3 other cadets will ever be. To equate the two is wrong.
My staff for 40 cadets is:
Cadet Commander: C/Capt
Cadet Deputy Commander: C/1st Lt
Flight Commander X 2: C/2d Lt
Flight Sergeant X 2: C/TSgt
Element Leaders X 6: C/SrA-C/SSgt
We didn't have a cadet commander for about 6 months after our C/Lt Col went off to college. The current C/CC was only a C/SMSgt at the time. So, we had a flight sergeant who reported to the CDC.
I think the problem is that seniors look at it like senior staff - we have positions that must be filled (qualified or not). Then we have staff positions that don't HAVE to be filled, but if we don't the commander has to do it (PA, PD, Admin, Personnel, Logistics, etc), and since the commander is busy already we find some schmuck to do it.
Then the commander translates this to the cadet staff positions, not realizing that the senior staff positions are positions where you have things you are required to DO, and the cadet staff positions are built into the program at certain points so you LEARN.
This may be slightly off topic, but at tonight's meeting (which was our commanders last as commander :( ) told me how he got the deputy commander position at C/Amn . I thought that that should never happen, but it was an interesting story. He got the job instead of two othe C/CMSgt . Just thought I'd share.
So an airman got a job over 2 C/CMSgts? Seriously?
That is sort of cruel to the chiefs. Not to mention not fair. Where were the SMs?
Plus the usual objections to a C/Amn getting an officer position. Deptuty commander IS optional.
Quote from: Extremepredjudice on May 23, 2012, 03:32:55 AM
So an airman got a job over 2 C/CMSgts? Seriously?
Sometimes those C/CMSgts are off at college and may not be participating actively...Just one hypothesis
Quote from: SARDOC on May 23, 2012, 03:52:22 AM
Quote from: Extremepredjudice on May 23, 2012, 03:32:55 AM
So an airman got a job over 2 C/CMSgts? Seriously?
Sometimes those C/CMSgts are off at college and may not be participating actively...Just one hypothesis
True, but an airman rarely knows everyone in the squadron. Especially not the people off at college.
Quote from: Sgt. Palmer on May 21, 2012, 08:52:44 PM
i agree with Sergeant Donovan, you can NOT take on such a high responsibility with that low grade. Being an C/A1C can mean a few things, either that you're new to the program, so you don't have enough experiance, or that you've been in a while and are just too lazy to promote, which shows alot about your character.
I agree with you that an C/A1C shouldn't have such a high level of responsibility. However, there are examples of cadets who were unable to promote quickly for multiple reasons. One such reason is that they could be having family difficulties, and they have trouble getting to meetings. One thing that happened to me before I transferred is that the Squadron Commander wouldn't let me test, because he didn't want me to pass the cadets in front of me. I tolerated it for about 4 months, and then transferred to a different squadron.
If I remember correctly, this started as a post where an A1C was wondering if he was able to become a flight sergeant, now it's about whether an Amn could become DC, and SMs should fill in as Flight Sergeants. Just sayin'....
Quote from: Sam14 on May 23, 2012, 07:26:43 PM
If I remember correctly, this started as a post where an A1C was wondering if he was able to become a flight sergeant, now it's about whether an Amn could become DC, and SMs should fill in as Flight Sergeants. Just sayin'....
Welcome to CT! :D
Quote from: Sam14 on May 23, 2012, 07:26:43 PM
If I remember correctly, this started as a post where an A1C was wondering if he was able to become a flight sergeant, now it's about whether an Amn could become DC, and SMs should fill in as Flight Sergeants. Just sayin'....
In that case, my answer to the original question is: ideally, the squadron should not let the C/A1C become a flight sergeant at least until he/she has reached C/SSgt. I would recommend to the C/A1C that he/she not take on the responsibility of the flight sergeant position at least until you have gotten your Wright Brothers. But whether or not the squadron will allow the cadet to be a flight sergeant, well that is entirely up to the squadron. YMMV.
Another option for the C/A1C would be filling a staff position that really isn't necessary, but gives the cadet experiance outside of the Corps and let's them feel what it's like to feel a bit of command. Maybe putting them as a Safety Officer or something might work. i know in my squadron, we have two flight sergeants, myself, a C/TSgt., and another cadet, a C/SSgt. A corps cadet just promoted to C/SSgt. and we have three high school seniors going off this year, so we're training that cadet to be a Flight sergeant for when i move to First Sergeant. Just food for thought, maybe a support staff position would help?
Well, in my squadron, we have a situation where a C/A1C has a higher position than a C/CMSgt. The C/CMSgt has not shown the A. Responsibility, or B. the Maturity, to have even a basic leadership position, where-as the Airman who has only been in for a few months and is several years younger shows a higher level of responsibility.
Quote from: krnlpanick on May 23, 2012, 07:46:22 PM
Quote from: Sam14 on May 23, 2012, 07:26:43 PM
If I remember correctly, this started as a post where an A1C was wondering if he was able to become a flight sergeant, now it's about whether an Amn could become DC, and SMs should fill in as Flight Sergeants. Just sayin'....
Welcome to CT! :D
Thanks krnlpanick! Looks like we have a lot of "fun" ahead!
Quote from: titanII on May 23, 2012, 07:49:08 PM
Quote from: Sam14 on May 23, 2012, 07:26:43 PM
If I remember correctly, this started as a post where an A1C was wondering if he was able to become a flight sergeant, now it's about whether an Amn could become DC, and SMs should fill in as Flight Sergeants. Just sayin'....
In that case, my answer to the original question is: ideally, the squadron should not let the C/A1C become a flight sergeant at least until he/she has reached C/SSgt. I would recommend to the C/A1C that he/she not take on the responsibility of the flight sergeant position at least until you have gotten your Wright Brothers. But whether or not the squadron will allow the cadet to be a flight sergeant, well that is entirely up to the squadron. YMMV.
@Titan, I definitely agree here, with the rank usually comes the experience and training needed for the role assigned that rank. (emphasis on usually)
Quote from: Eagle on May 23, 2012, 07:57:18 PM
Well, in my squadron, we have a situation where a C/A1C has a higher position than a C/CMSgt. The C/CMSgt has not shown the A. Responsibility, or B. the Maturity, to have even a basic leadership position, where-as the Airman who has only been in for a few months and is several years younger shows a higher level of responsibility.
Like I said, "usually", and if they were both C/CMSgts the choice would be clear. However, some would argue that because of his superior rank, NOT because of his ability, the C/CMSgt should have been chosen.
Quote from: Sam14 on May 23, 2012, 08:05:16 PM
Quote from: Eagle on May 23, 2012, 07:57:18 PM
Well, in my squadron, we have a situation where a C/A1C has a higher position than a C/CMSgt. The C/CMSgt has not shown the A. Responsibility, or B. the Maturity, to have even a basic leadership position, where-as the Airman who has only been in for a few months and is several years younger shows a higher level of responsibility.
Like I said, "usually", and if they were both C/CMSgts the choice would be clear. However, some would argue that because of his superior rank, NOT because of his ability, the C/CMSgt should have been chosen.
Fortunately in Civil Air Patrol it seems to lean more towards ability than grade.
When considering somebody for a position, always alert them once you have decided and start preparing early. Throwing it suddenly on somebody when they did not know they were being considered could overwhelm them.
Quote from: Eagle on May 23, 2012, 07:57:18 PM
Well, in my squadron, we have a situation where a C/A1C has a higher position than a C/CMSgt. The C/CMSgt has not shown the A. Responsibility, or B. the Maturity, to have even a basic leadership position, where-as the Airman who has only been in for a few months and is several years younger shows a higher level of responsibility.
Then again, you don't reward the poor performance, but that doesn't mean you give someone who isn't ready the job either.
Quote from: Eagle on May 23, 2012, 07:57:18 PM
Well, in my squadron, we have a situation where a C/A1C has a higher position than a C/CMSgt. The C/CMSgt has not shown the A. Responsibility, or B. the Maturity, to have even a basic leadership position, where-as the Airman who has only been in for a few months and is several years younger shows a higher level of responsibility.
They shouldn't be a C/CMSgt. then.
Quote from: Sam14 on May 23, 2012, 07:59:03 PM
@Titan, I definitely agree here, with the rank usually comes the experience and training needed for the role assigned that rank. (emphasis on usually)
Sir, this isn't twitter.
Use quote tags
[quote]TEXT HERE[/quote]And there is a modify button. http://puu.sh/woIU (http://puu.sh/woIU)
Quote from: Extremepredjudice on May 23, 2012, 09:15:53 PM
Quote from: Eagle on May 23, 2012, 07:57:18 PM
Well, in my squadron, we have a situation where a C/A1C has a higher position than a C/CMSgt. The C/CMSgt has not shown the A. Responsibility, or B. the Maturity, to have even a basic leadership position, where-as the Airman who has only been in for a few months and is several years younger shows a higher level of responsibility.
They shouldn't be a C/CMSgt. then.
Well they obviously are, no changing that, only thing to do is make do with what you've got.
Quote from: Sam14 on May 23, 2012, 07:59:03 PM
@Titan, I definitely agree here, with the rank usually comes the experience and training needed for the role assigned that rank. (emphasis on usually)
Sir, this isn't twitter.
Use quote tags
[quote]TEXT HERE[/quote]
And there is a modify button. http://puu.sh/woIU (http://puu.sh/woIU)
Why thank you, see now, I was under the impression it WAS twitter!
Quote from: Only The Best on May 23, 2012, 10:16:46 PM
Why thank you, see now, I was under the impression it WAS twitter!
:clap: :clap: :clap:
How about that @Extremepredjudice?
I don't remember reading the rules for using CT that dictated that a user must reply with quote tags. 8)
Quote from: commando1 on May 25, 2012, 02:42:54 AMI don't remember reading the rules for using CT that dictated that a user must reply with quote tags.
It's called etiquette.
This isn't Twitter, and we don't need that "@" nonsense here. The expectation is full sentences, spell check, and at least a 6th-grade level of grammar.
Quote from: commando1 on May 25, 2012, 02:42:54 AM
Quote from: Only The Best on May 23, 2012, 10:16:46 PM
Why thank you, see now, I was under the impression it WAS twitter!
:clap: :clap: :clap:
How about that @Extremepredjudice?
I don't remember reading the rules for using CT that dictated that a user must reply with quote tags. 8)
Respectfully sir,
What eclipse said. Plus on twitter you tweet short messages. I don't know the character limit on CT, but it is a lot. Quoting the text gives people the exact thing you are responding to. Rather than guessing.
This forum can be thought of as a "professional" forum. Grammar, etiquette, and respect are all important.
At signs and hashtags are just plain tacky.
Edit:
Incorrect: Let's eat grandma.
Correct: Let's eat, grandma.
Grammar can save lives. Please use it.
Except there are plenty of times when the whole entire thing is not necessary to quote, and people do.
Quote from: a2capt on May 25, 2012, 04:53:14 AM
Except there are plenty of times when the whole entire thing is not necessary to quote, and people do.
But that's a whole 'nother thing. ;)
Quote from: SarDragon on May 25, 2012, 05:10:12 AM
Quote from: a2capt on May 25, 2012, 04:53:14 AM
Except there are plenty of times when the whole entire thing is not necessary to quote, and people do.
But that's a whole 'nother thing. ;)
Or they start a quote train. ;)
Quote from: SarDragon on May 25, 2012, 05:10:12 AM
Quote from: a2capt on May 25, 2012, 04:53:14 AM
Except there are plenty of times when the whole entire thing is not necessary to quote, and people do.
But that's a whole 'nother thing. ;)
Time to learn how to use the interface, vs making things up like bolding, pretty colors, etc. One of the main reasons the quote function is there is to allow the reader to easily click through back to the original full message.
Quote from: Eclipse on May 25, 2012, 03:06:11 AM
Quote from: commando1 on May 25, 2012, 02:42:54 AMI don't remember reading the rules for using CT that dictated that a user must reply with quote tags.
It's called etiquette.
This isn't Twitter, and we don't need that "@" nonsense here. The expectation is full sentences, spell check, and at least a 6th-grade level of grammar.
@Eclipse/ExtremePredjudice; Come again... who's expectation? This WAS a forum, last time I checked, and the point of forums is to get your message across, whether you find it easier to use quote tags or @. If you really are going to be a stickler for a quote tag, I suggest you move on to better things.
Quote from: Only The Best on May 25, 2012, 02:34:01 PM
@Eclipse/ExtremePredjudice; Come again... who's expectation? This WAS a forum, last time I checked, and the point of forums is to get your message across, whether you find it easier to use quote tags or @. If you really are going to be a stickler for a freaking quote tag, I suggest you move on and get a life...
The expectation of the majority of the most active users, Cadet. Every forum has expectations and etiquette.
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The expectation of the majority of the most active users, Cadet. Every forum has expectations and etiquette.
@Eclipse; How does one discover this so called etiquette of yours? Trail and error? I don't think so... when anyone enters this forums, it should not be to perfect their grammar, there are many forums for that, no, this one is to be a database for CAP members looking for a resource. If this argument does not get back on track, then I will ALWAYS use @ when refering to you or Extremepredjudice, becuase (oops, was that an SP error? how dare I! In a CAP forum, no less!) of your silly notion that there is a magical book of rules stating that @ is not an OK way to refer to someone...
Quote from: Only The Best on May 25, 2012, 02:54:02 PM
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The expectation of the majority of the most active users, Cadet. Every forum has expectations and etiquette.
Eclipse; How does one discover this so called etiquette of yours?
Listen and learn.
You would do well to remember that you are addressing fellow cadets and senior members, so your tone needs to be tempered as well.
In response to your next thought, yes, comments made here have ramifications in the real world. This is not "just" the internet.
That is another lesson that has been hard-learned by many people.
Eclipse; I apologize for disrespecting you sir, I was just a little peeved that someone finds it their duty to correct my "at" when the harm done was nil. As far as hiding something, I know that I am not unknown, in fact, my name is Sam Kneen, I am CAPID 461560, and I belong to St. Croix Squadron, MNWNG. Will someone please explain to me why "at" is unacceptable? Thanks...
Sir,
Doing what you are doing is really immature.
It isn't personal. When I originally corrected you, it wasn't a big deal. I've done it multiple times. There is no need for this behavior.
If you go on a lot of forums there is an expectation that you will obey the rules, even if those rules are by convention. Each one is different. In this forum we expect good etiquette, good grammar, and respect.
Doing something like this shows your maturity. It shows you don't respect your fellow CAP members. It shows you don't respect Eclipse (Just a FYI, he is a Lt. Col.).
Maybe, sir, you should grow up before you continue posting here?
Just so you know, chances are someone knows WHO you are. So don't think you can be disrespectful with impunity.
This might just be the internet, but you should respect the people on the internet. Just because you think you are anonymous doesn't give you free reign. It doesn't give you a permit to disrespect CAP Officers.
Our "magical book" is what is expected of you in 90% of the forums out there.
Quote from: @ on May 25, 2012, 03:06:29 PM
@Eclipse; Let's get back to the subject on hand, quickly if possible, and I WILL continue to use @, and I WILL NOT be "tempered" whatever that is; also, if you really do think of this as something other than "'just' the internet", I guess that explains why you have your too much free time award...
You might want to look at some of the rules from the moderators, just a FYI. They have even asked members on here to not use "@", but instead use the quoting button you find at the top right of the post you want to reply to.
Mutual respect on here is a good practice to have, even if you don't agree with someone on the subject at hand. I've had differing opinions than other people on here, but we give our side to the story. No more, no less.
Eclipse has been around the CAP block (and CAPTalk) a time or two, and he know's what he's talking about. EP has been on here for some time now as well. They don't mean any harm, just trying to help out a new member to the forum.
Take this as you will.
If you are going to troll, using an email with your name in it isn't the best idea. Just a protip.
Another good point, EP.
A thread you may want to check out, @.
http://captalk.net/index.php?topic=13.0 (http://captalk.net/index.php?topic=13.0)
Look at my above post please...
Quote from: @ on May 25, 2012, 03:06:29 PM
Eclipse; Let's get back to the subject on hand, quickly if possible, and I WILL continue to use @, and I WILL NOT be "tempered" whatever that is; also, if you really do think of this as something other than "'just' the internet", I guess that explains why you have your too much free time award...
The reference to "just the internet" is the mistaken belief by some people that comments and behavior here, or elsewhere cannot and will not have real-life implications, both CAP-related and otherwise.
The fact that you have suddenly (and a bit belatedly) anonymized yourself would indicate you are beginning to realize that's not the case.
Welcome to CAPTalk.
Quote from: Aim for the Sky! on May 25, 2012, 04:58:09 PM
Look at my above post please...
You nuked your post.
The reason it is unacceptable has already been said.
Quote from: @ on May 25, 2012, 03:06:29 PM
Eclipse; I apologize for disrespecting you sir, I was just a little peeved that someone finds it their duty to correct my "at" when the harm done was nil. As far as hiding something, I know that I am not unknown, in fact, my name is Sam Kneen, I am CAPID 461560, and I belong to St. Croix Squadron, MNWNG. Will someone please explain to me why "at" is unacceptable? Thanks...
The "@" sign is a functional operator of a specific service, one which does not have any purpose here.
While you might find this hard to believe, there are people in this universe who disdain that particular service, and others in the same category, and
aren't too excited about the practices from those services, especially the poor grammar and bad spelling, etc., permeating here, especially when
they serve no purpose.
..and as C/CMSgt, C/2Lt. and a Flight Commander .. I can only hope that this is not an example of your leadership and mentoring at the unit level.
Bits and Bytes .. is what makes up cyberspace.
But some Bits ... can Byte, too.
This is something I usually just send out in PMs, but there are enough new folks around that might benefit, so I doing a public post.
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I think you would gain much more credibility and get better responses to your posts if you took a closer look at the grammar, punctuation, and/or spelling in them. Using the shift and apostrophe keys on your keyboard when needed is also a plus. Unlike texting and tweeting, we like to see real words, and complete sentences. "I'm posting from a phone" is not a good excuse.
While this is an informal forum, many posters try to make their posts look good to improve the credibility. Readers will treat your posts more seriously if they see that you think they are important enough to use correct English.
Your posts are a look at you and your attitude. If you don't care how your posts look, a lot of folks aren't going to care enough to help you out or pay attention to what you write. There are also all kinds of people reading what you write on CT who could help decide your future, particularly in CAP.
Your language skills are important to you as you go through life, and it's never too soon to work on them. CT is a good place to practice them and get meaningful feedback.
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Now for Mr. Aim for the Sky! specifically:
Coppin' a 'tude is probably the worst thing you can do here. It will ensure that most of your posts will be ignored and that you become the subject of a dogpile if it gets really bad.
Let's look at it from the reader's point of view. Your content might have great meaning to you, but if you can't express it using decent grammar, spelling and punctuation, it carries little meaning for the readers, since we aren't interested in spending the time to figure it out. If it is important enough for you to post in the first place, why shouldn't it be equally important to express it properly? Bad posts frequently get ignored because folks don't want to spend the time to translate them into readable English. A really good idea will go unread because no one can decipher it.
We have former and current wing commanders on here. There are also group and squadron commanders here, too. They all talk to each other. If there's someone on here who doesn't play nicely in a spectacular fashion, the word can get around. Do you want to jeopardize your chances at something kool because of immature behavior on here? Think about it.
Thank you Eclipse. I'm not a C/CMSgt and no, I let my feelings get the best of me... I'm not sure how to use quote tags, but this one is directed at Extremepredjudice: yes, I nuked my post; looking back I'm ashamed I let myself get out of control. You would probably do the same in my case... see you around gentlemen!
Quote tags: [quote]QUOTED TEXT HERE[/quote]
In most cases, the "quote" button works fine, then you can trim from there (or copy the code).
Well since the original topic was about advice to get selected for the flight sergeant position, how did it go Danger? Any word yet?
yes, thank you, Cashboy. this talk of Twitter and Hashtags is annoying. i dont care if your grammar is messed up, or you spell ONE SINGLE word wrong, if you've got a question, or a problem, address it. If you're gonna be a grammar Nazi, there's groups for your type of people.
Anyway, back to the Flight Sergeant question, as Cashboy asked, how did it go?
When we completely derail threads they go to waste gentlemen.
One piece of last advice though, if this has already been said sorry; touch up on your drill and uniform. As a flight sergeant you would have to set the example at all times for your cadets.
Quote from: Cashboy on May 25, 2012, 07:37:32 PM
I'm afraid now that Danger will completely ignore this thread. When we completely derail threads they go to waste gentlemen.
Send him a PM if it is so important. It isn't the end of the world.
Quote from: Sgt. Palmer on May 25, 2012, 07:24:48 PM
yes, thank you, Cashboy. this talk of Twitter and Hashtags is annoying. i dont care if your grammar is messed up, or you spell ONE SINGLE word wrong, if you've got a question, or a problem, address it. If you're gonna be a grammar Nazi, there's groups for your type of people.
Anyway, back to the Flight Sergeant question, as Cashboy asked, how did it go?
Please use capitalization and grammar! It makes your post easier to read.
That post I quoted is practically incomprehensible.
like I said, Extremeprejudice, this isn't the place for extreme grammar.
Your username fits you, seeing you have an Extreme Prejudice against anyone who spells ONE word incorrectly, or places an incorrect comma. Seriously, enough of your shenanigans.
Quote from: Sgt. Palmer on May 25, 2012, 07:51:41 PM
like I said, Extremeprejudice, this isn't the place for extreme grammar.
Extreme grammar? That's what you use when you pull the rip cord and realize you're wearing your school bag.
Proper grammar? Yes, this is the place for it. In fact, there's no place where proper grammar is wrong, including Twitspace and Text messages.
Quote from: Extremepredjudice on May 25, 2012, 07:46:03 PM
Quote from: Cashboy on May 25, 2012, 07:37:32 PM
I'm afraid now that Danger will completely ignore this thread. When we completely derail threads they go to waste gentlemen.
Send him a PM if it is so important. It isn't the end of the world.
EP it isn't the end of the world but some of us actually want to know what happened. I'm sorry for trying to maintain some direction...
Quote from: Sgt. Palmer on May 25, 2012, 07:51:41 PM
like I said, Extremeprejudice, this isn't the place for extreme grammar.
Your username fits you, seeing you have an Extreme Prejudice against anyone who spells ONE word incorrectly, or places an incorrect comma. Seriously, enough of your shenanigans.
Actually it is. Remember the code of conduct that you agreed to abide by? Proper grammar is part of it. http://captalk.net/index.php?topic=13.0 (http://captalk.net/index.php?topic=13.0)
Quote from: Sgt. Palmer on May 25, 2012, 07:51:41 PM
like I said, Extremeprejudice, this isn't the place for extreme grammar.
Your username fits you, seeing you have an Extreme Prejudice against anyone who spells ONE word incorrectly, or places an incorrect comma. Seriously, enough of your shenanigans.
It isn't personal. Proper grammar is the key to good communication.
If you would use proper grammar, or at least make an effort, I'd leave you alone.
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/godwins-law (http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/godwins-law)
Quote from: Sgt. Palmer on May 25, 2012, 07:51:41 PMSeriously, enough of your shenanigans.
It's not just him. ...and it's how YOU come off more than anyone else. Don't care to 'speak' to people properly? See how far that goes in the Real World.
I fear the next few years as the txtspeak lazy generation wonders why it's been left behind.
Such an important job, is the flight Sergeant, that I'd certainly expect it to be done properly, with concise clear communication. Not half-cocked and off target.
Disclaimer: The previous three lines were written, speaking outwardly in a general direction. If you feel you are singled out by them, well then..
I'll keep you posted. but next Tuesday will be our last meeting with our current commander as acting commander. So the new commander will most likely have an SSE soon. I've been preparing vigorously, and thinking of what I'll say if I have an interview. Any prep tips you guys have? I'm trying to make my uniform perfect, Attending meetings regularily, participating (VERY) actictively in unit activities, obeying my officers, wearing my uniform properly, and advancing my education and training rapidly to prepare myself to be of service to my community, state, nation, and squadron. (see what I did there? :D )
It sounds like you're doing all you can.
As with any interview, answer the questions directly, from a personal perspective, and concentrate on determining what the Commanders would want you do do, and / or you would / will do if appointed, vs. any histrionics about what may have been done (or not done) in the past.
If you do get asked about the performance of others, keep things professional and general, and stay away from personalities and personal bias as much as you can.
Quote from: Eclipse on May 25, 2012, 11:07:02 PM
If you do get asked about the performance of others, keep things professional and general, and stay away from personalities and personal bias as much as you can.
Sometimes interviewers (both in CAP and the real world) will ask you something like, "why are you the best person for the job," or something similar to try to get you to speak badly about others. Like Eclipse said, stay way from talking about other people. In other words, answer that question as "Because I am _____," NOT "Because Cadet Alpha is unmotivated and Cadet Bravo has no idea how to wear a uniform."
Think about what leadership means to you and how YOU define it, not the textbook definition.
If you know of any issues (real or perceived) that would be appropriate for the Flt Sgt to handle, come with how you'd handle it. Do not bring it up unless asked, then keep it general - no names.
Know your chain of command (at the time). Understand it will change.
DO NOT bad mouth anyone else - senior or cadet, past or present.
A common question is how well would you work if your supervisor was the opposite sex. Do you have any issues about it? (Don't answer here, have the answer ready if you are asked about it!)
people on this website make my go grey.
honestly, WHO CARES?! ITS A WEBSITE, WITH KIDS THAT RANGE FROM 12 YEARS OLD TO HOWEVER OLD YOU ARE IN CAP, NOBODY CARES IF A SINGLE THING IS TYPED WRONG, my goddddd.
for instance, i could be typing like this:
OMG guyzz didd yew t0@tallyyy s33 thattt guyy at skewwlll todeyyy?
but no, i'm not. so please, chill. just get back to this flight sergeant business, or just delete the thread, i dont care, whatever gets you grammar freaks off my tail.
Quote from: Sgt. Palmer on May 25, 2012, 11:13:27 PM
people on this website make my go grey.
honestly, WHO CARES?! ITS A WEBSITE, WITH KIDS THAT RANGE FROM 12 YEARS OLD TO HOWEVER OLD YOU ARE IN CAP, NOBODY CARES IF A SINGLE THING IS TYPED WRONG, my goddddd.
for instance, i could be typing like this:
OMG guyzz didd yew t0@tallyyy s33 thattt guyy at skewwlll todeyyy?
but no, i'm not. so please, chill. just get back to this flight sergeant business, or just delete the thread, i dont care, whatever gets you grammar freaks off my tail.
No. You need to be 13+ or have parental approval.
See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children's_Online_Privacy_Protection_Act (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children's_Online_Privacy_Protection_Act)
You haven't even tried to change your grammar. At least do capitalization!
Cadet Palmer, the adolescents on this forum are not "kids", they are (presumably) Cadets, and the expectations of their
behavior and performance are, by design, higher then the average young person who isn't involved in a program like CAP.
Shouting on the mountain top that poor behavior is "OK" won't generally get a warm reception anywhere.
To EP, COPPA doesn't apply.
Quote from: Sgt. Palmer on May 25, 2012, 11:13:27 PM
people on this website make my go grey.
honestly, WHO CARES?! ITS A WEBSITE, WITH KIDS THAT RANGE FROM 12 YEARS OLD TO HOWEVER OLD YOU ARE IN CAP, NOBODY CARES IF A SINGLE THING IS TYPED WRONG, my goddddd.
for instance, i could be typing like this:
OMG guyzz didd yew t0@tallyyy s33 thattt guyy at skewwlll todeyyy?
but no, i'm not. so please, chill. just get back to this flight sergeant business, or just delete the thread, i dont care, whatever gets you grammar freaks off my tail.
It did. You brought it back to grammar. I suggest you reread the code of conduct that you agreed to abide by.
Quote from: Sgt. Palmer on May 25, 2012, 11:13:27 PM
people on this website make my go grey.
honestly, WHO CARES?! ITS A WEBSITE, WITH KIDS THAT RANGE FROM 12 YEARS OLD TO HOWEVER OLD YOU ARE IN CAP, NOBODY CARES IF A SINGLE THING IS TYPED WRONG, my goddddd.
for instance, i could be typing like this:
OMG guyzz didd yew t0@tallyyy s33 thattt guyy at skewwlll todeyyy?
but no, i'm not. so please, chill. just get back to this flight sergeant business, or just delete the thread, i dont care, whatever gets you grammar freaks off my tail.
Can we please get a facepalm smiley on here?
Quote from: caphornbuckle on May 26, 2012, 01:17:40 AM
Quote from: Sgt. Palmer on May 25, 2012, 11:13:27 PM
people on this website make my go grey.
honestly, WHO CARES?! ITS A WEBSITE, WITH KIDS THAT RANGE FROM 12 YEARS OLD TO HOWEVER OLD YOU ARE IN CAP, NOBODY CARES IF A SINGLE THING IS TYPED WRONG, my goddddd.
for instance, i could be typing like this:
OMG guyzz didd yew t0@tallyyy s33 thattt guyy at skewwlll todeyyy?
but no, i'm not. so please, chill. just get back to this flight sergeant business, or just delete the thread, i dont care, whatever gets you grammar freaks off my tail.
Can we please get a facepalm smiley on here?
(http://bfewaw.com/images/smilies/facepalm.gif) Seems perfect.
:clap:
congrats guys, congrats. *shakes head*
Tobit I filled in for a missing flight sergeant. It was incredible, being the flight sergeant. I havent been appointed , just to make everything clear. We had our change of command tonight, and at closing, our new commander forgot to call report, just called post as soon as he got up there (our first sergeant was absent also) . It was quite confusing. But thought I'd let you guys know, it was my first Flight Sergeant experience, and it was incredible, despite some "hiccups" in the closing ceremony.
Congratulations, Airman! It's always a great experience to act as flight sergeant, whether it's temporary or for a trimester position. By asking you to fill in, I think you can take it positively, and that your staff is already seeing you as capable! Stay in track for your promotions, practice your drill/pt, and start studying for that first milestone! You can never be too prepared- it seems like you're working hard now already. Keep up the good work, and good luck to you.
Quote from: Danger on May 30, 2012, 02:56:36 AM
Tobit I filled in for a missing flight sergeant. It was incredible, being the flight sergeant. I havent been appointed , just to make everything clear. We had our change of command tonight, and at closing, our new commander forgot to call report, just called post as soon as he got up there (our first sergeant was absent also) . It was quite confusing. But thought I'd let you guys know, it was my first Flight Sergeant experience, and it was incredible, despite some "hiccups" in the closing ceremony.
Congratulations! Over time the hiccups will disappear for the most part. Being a flight sergeant is an incredible experience.
Over time, command gets easier. Try taking a public speaking class if your school has one. They help quite a bit when it comes to being comfortable infront of others.
Absolutely agree on taking a public speaking class - however there are lots of things you can do if you don't have one available.
Assuming that you are now on Summer Vacation so here are a few additional ideas for you
- Check your community for workshops on Speech or Debate
- Ask friends (in or out of CAP) to "play" games where you can practice command, drill, etc. Allow your friends to practice leadership roles too.
- As silly as it sounds, doing an Open Mic night at a local club, karoake, and even poetry readings are a great way to practice speaking in front of people.
The important thing is to work on your projection, which is a big part of the command voice. Voice lessons of any type are a huge help.
I speak at 6-8 large information security conferences a year and had it not been for being the lead singer in a band for many years I would have never been as successful as I was. Projection and clarity are the most important aspects of any public speaking and public speaking is necessary for advancing into leadership positions (in most of life, not just in CAP)
I also have an ongoing game, any time I say uhm, or uhh I put a quarter in a jar on my desk.
Anyways, congrats and good luck!
Quote from: krnlpanick on May 30, 2012, 06:49:20 PM
Assuming that you are now on Summer Vacation so here are a few additional ideas for you
I wish sir!
But public speaking classes are always helpful. If your wing has a NCOA then I would definitely recommend attending it. Lot of classes and knowledge, with a huge dose of hands on experience.
More generally, I've found public speaking much easier when you put your focus on delivering material to the audience. When you do that, nervousness magically disappears because it isn't about you...it is when you're thinking about yourself and messing up that you get nervous. When you think about delivery, you can do magical things...
Wh it come to that stuff I am very comfortable actually. There may been a miscommunication, the commander didn't call the right commands. I did everything correctly. And also, I'm hoping on going to the NCO School New Hampshire Wing has? By the time it starts I'll be AT LEAST staff sgt, and I'm pretty sure it's open to cadets from anywhere.
My board of review and SSE are now completed, and I'm waiting on the email to find out if I made it, I'll keep you posted! Thank you gentlemen!
Only took 116 posts....
EP, this is CAPTalk after all...
Danger, please keep us up to date on it!
Quote from: Danger on June 20, 2012, 06:38:03 PM
My board of review and SSE are now completed, and I'm waiting on the email to find out if I made it, I'll keep you posted! Thank you gentlemen!
Please keep us posted and best of luck!
Guess who's the new Bravo Flight Sergeant? Yours truly.
Thanks guys! :)
Quote from: Danger on June 22, 2012, 12:10:44 AM
Guess who's the new Bravo Flight Sergeant? Yours truly.
Thanks guys! :)
:clap: CONGRATS!
Congratulations Cadet Danger! You've been doing a great job filling in up front the past couple meetings. You're going to be a great flight sergeant.
Quote from: Danger on June 22, 2012, 12:10:44 AM
Guess who's the new Bravo Flight Sergeant? Yours truly.
Thanks guys! :)
Congratulations.
Congrats! :clap: :clap: :)
Congratulations! Keep up the good work! :clap:
congrats!
Congrats!
Congratulations, sergeant! You deserve it!
Quote from: Danger on June 22, 2012, 12:10:44 AM
Guess who's the new Bravo Flight Sergeant? Yours truly.
Thanks guys! :)
Congrats - are you still an A1C?
Now just keep promoting!
Yup, A1C, but I just got back from encampment, and my days are up and I'll have my Feik on Tuesday. (: