Level III

[41839j]

I am now working on Level III requirements and my specialty track is logistics.  What consists of a command or staff position in this scenario?  Regarding the Corporate Learning Course, none are being offered in my state.  I presume I just need to wait for one to come up?  Thanks

[Eclipse]

I am now working on Level III requirements and my specialty track is logistics.  What consists of a command or staff position in this scenario?  Regarding the Corporate Learning Course, none are being offered in my state.  I presume I just need to wait for one to come up?  Thanks

Command = official posting as a "Commander" (i.e. "of record in eservices") - unit, group, wing, region, national.

Staff = official posting (i.e. "of record in eservices") as a staff officer- unit, group, wing, region, national.

You could always attend CLC in another wing, but yes, you have to wait.  There is an online SLS / CLC that is done in cadres, however
that is supposed to be authorized only in cases where the member has no means to attend an in-face class.

[41839j]

OK, I take it that being the sole supply officer for the squadron does not qualify as either a command of staff position?

[Woodsy]

Sure it does.  Supply Officer = staff position. 

[AdAstra]

We can quibble about the title "Supply Officer" or "Logistics Officer", but in your case you are responsible for all unit logistics. Yes, it qualifies as a staff position.

The intent of the one-year staff service is that you learn logistics by serving in one of the logistics positions: logistics, supply, transportation or aircraft maintenance). For most members, this is at the unit level. Especially in smaller units, one member covers the whole logistics "section." CAPP 206, Specialty Track Study Guide for Logistics Officer, was written in March 1990; the requirements at that time were rather general. The newest study guides for other specialties specify that you serve 12 months as XXX Officer.

I've generally heard fairly good things about the online CLC, which enroll students in cohorts (vis cadres). But I haven't heard how the online course handles the section on Individual Instruction in Staff Specialities. In the resident course, this is a great opportunity to sit with a rated Logistics Officer (in your case) and ask specific questions.

[spacecommand]

Staff specialties, different staff officer positions etc is covered (should have been covered) in SLS. 

A logistics officer is certainly a staff position.  If you  have an assigned position and it is documented (which can usually be seen on eservices under duty position) then in most cases it is a staff position, unless you are the commander.  One issue we had in our Wing was that squadrons did not have official Public Affairs staff position assigned.  What was happening was, squadrons had people who were doing public affairs and enrolled into the specialty track, but they were not assigned the public affairs officer position "duty position" in eservices.

As for CLC, depending on your location, check with neighboring Wings to see when they might offer a CLC course.  Of course, that would mean traveling out of your Wing for typically a whole weekend to do the training.   Online CLC has a backlog of nearly a year from my understanding of waiting.

[Garibaldi]

If anyone needs one, my unit is hosting a CLC in September. I realize that this really pertains only to people in Arkansas and Eastern Oklahoma, possibly northern Louisiana (good luck scaling that fence we're erecting!) and southern Missouri, but I thought I'd put it out there.

[EMT-83]

For Level 3, there is no requirement that the staff position needs to be for a Specialty Track that you're enrolled in.

[Eclipse]

OK, I take it that being the sole supply officer for the squadron does not qualify as either a command of staff position?

Of course it does, if you're posted as such.

[lordmonar]

Regarding the Corporate Learning Course, none are being offered in my state.  I presume I just need to wait for one to come up?  Thanks

Let your squaron and/or Group/Wing PDO know that you need the course.  They may just be waiting for enough personnel to "need" it before the schedule it up.

Alternatly......have your commander/PDO offer to host one.  They are wing events...but you can do one at your local squadron.

[AdAstra]

True enough, EMT-83. And the one-year of service need not be in a single staff position. This gives more flexibility to combine various command/staff service for Level V.

But to get the Senior rating required for the Loening Award, staff service must be in that specialty, so it stands to reason.... At least this is the requirement for the more recently-revised training guides. CAPP 206 is a dinosaur, and didn't specifically require service as LG way back in '90.

[Eclipse]

+1 on both.

[lordmonar]

+1 on both.

Eclipse...I'm getting worried about how often we are agreeing with each other lately......isn't that one of the signs of the apocolypse?   

[Eclipse]

+1 on both.

Eclipse...I'm getting worried about how often we are agreeing with each other lately......isn't that one of the signs of the apocolypse?   

Yeah, seriously.

[Critical AOA]

If your wing's CLC availability or schedule doesn't work for you, hit the road.  I am in a squadron in North Mississippi just south of Memphis, TN and I attended CLC in Little Rock, AR last year.  Believe it or not, the folks in AR aren't too bad.... well East Arkansas at least. 

^^^^^^ not so subtle poke at Garibaldi.

[spacecommand]

For Level 3, there is no requirement that the staff position needs to be for a Specialty Track that you're enrolled in.

Yes I know, I was referring to that there were some members who were enrolled into a specialty track but not enrolled into a staff duty position.  Eg, a person wanted to be the PAO and was enrolled into the specialty track, but not assigned the staff duty position of public affairs officer.  It's a mistake that is easily correctable but has happened (at least in our wing) where unit commanders were told "you need a PAO" (in the absence of a PAO the commander fulfills the job) and the unit commanders said "we've had one for a while", but only realized after that the member was only enrolled into the PAO specialty track and not the staff duty position of PAO.

[Woodsy]

Staff specialties, different staff officer positions etc is covered (should have been covered) in SLS. 

Online CLC has a backlog of nearly a year from my understanding of waiting.

I've been told that they're getting faster and the current expected wait time is 3-4 months.  They've added several online CLC instructors recently so they're able to do many more courses at a time now. 

[Eclipse]

Staff specialties, different staff officer positions etc is covered (should have been covered) in SLS. 

Online CLC has a backlog of nearly a year from my understanding of waiting.

I've been told that they're getting faster and the current expected wait time is 3-4 months.  They've added several online CLC instructors recently so they're able to do many more courses at a time now.

In 3-4 months you could just plan an in-face one.

[Woodsy]

Staff specialties, different staff officer positions etc is covered (should have been covered) in SLS. 

Online CLC has a backlog of nearly a year from my understanding of waiting.

I've been told that they're getting faster and the current expected wait time is 3-4 months.  They've added several online CLC instructors recently so they're able to do many more courses at a time now.

In 3-4 months you could just plan an in-face one.

Easier said than done.  Someone has to actually organize and teach the class. 

[Eclipse]

Easier said than done.  Someone has to actually organize and teach the class.

All you need is a couple of experienced people to volunteer to be directors, and a few experienced
members to lead the classes.  The curriculum is canned, and actually pretty good, being mostly discussion.

Maybe you'd start a trend?

Every wing ought to be doing 3-4 a year.