CAP Overseas Deployment

[Smithsonia]

AC-130s are too expensive and you can't send enough of them in the the state of Texas sized area to make a difference. I think America owns about only 50-60 of those fat boys anyway. Save them for big fights with big boys. The AC130 is designed to go up against hard and massive targets when air superiority is not in question. The crew is 9 to 11 members and missions, mostly at night.

SO, Airborne gunships (Aero Commanders in my imagination) at 2000 agl starting with anything from dual 50cals through 30mm reciprocated chain guns. For goodness sakes, the pirates are in inflatables and 200 miles at sea. Any trouble for them is bad trouble for them.

This whole thing reminds me of the stupid Biker maniac pictures from American International in the '60.
Three Harley Drivin' Hell's Angels swinging chains smash the windows of a sedan and rape the women from that car.

Really? REALLY? How about maneuvering the car viciously enough left and right to spread biker boys over a mile of desolate deserted highway. Heck the girls could kill the Bikers, load their motorcycles up to sell for parts, and be in Las Vegas to catch a show and dinner and they'd never get caught, even by the CSI team.

Aero Commander 500s with Ma Deuces at 2000 agl in the pylon turn. Build a military (and civil) exclusion zone with corridors (we do this all the time in places like North Korea, Panama Canal, Alaska Fisheries, Iraq's coastal waters, Russia's Kamchatka Peninsula, and Chinese continental waters. Mess up and you are intercepted. Really mess up and you are sunk. Simple. Enforce it with gunships, Navies, and a modified escort system.

Fisherman have to get to sea and back home -- so complaining that they don't understand complex navigation is ridiculous. Stack convoys - givem protection - turn it over to the armed and dangerous Civil Air Patrol -- we'll take it from here.

Hey, it's a fun argument but it is only just an argument... it ain't real. It does prove I've had too much time on my hands. However tomorrow I start an ICS 400 class and this is likely the last fun I'll have for 2 days.

[flyerthom]

This is a WW II style mission at sea level. If conjecture is the game I would suggest a J 3 cub or a super cub on floats with a Kevlar cabin liner. Quiet, stable and, as CAP proven, capable of carrying a 250 lb bomb perfect for puncturing a skiff.

To enhance the mission, I'd suggest coordinating with a Navy Sub equipped with a WW II style deck gun. Call the coordinates of the mother ships to the navy and let them send the scurvy dogs to Davy Jones locker YARRRR!

[SarDragon]

Subs don't got deck guns no more. 

[Smithsonia]

A couple of Stealthy subs on patrol in pirate waters, wouldn't hurt. Although, Subs don't have anything on board to shoot an inflatable... that said, surfacing near them and upsetting their boat... when they're 200 miles at sea... is quite enough. So pirates can be subject to splashing. In this case splashing them is a death sentence.

[Gunner C]

Makes me all warm and fuzzy inside . . . 

[Major Lord]

I think we should team up with the Coast Guard Aux. With our air assets and their ability to board ships, hang pirates, etc., we just need to ask the Congress for letters of Marque and Reprisal. We could then legally prey upon the shipments of our enemies, claim reasonable fees for recovery of pillaged cargos, and have salvage rights over the perfectly good boats and weapons ( which we would sell on E-bay....) we capture from the pirates. A perfect win-win solution and beats the heck out of pancake breakfasts for fundraising! Oh sure, some sissy boys with CAP will argue that we can't violate our benevolent charter, but that did not stop us from illegally waging war on the enemy in WWII, so why should it be a problem now?

[SarDragon]

The "benevolent" feature wasn't instituted until 1946.

Public Law 79-476 (Pub.L. 79-476) was passed by the U.S. Congress in 1946. The Civil Air Patrol, the auxiliary of the United States Air Force, was to be "solely of a benevolent character".

[SarDragon]

Speaking of rust buckets, a Russian Typhoon class boomer:



More here.

[Major Lord]

The "benevolent" feature wasn't instituted until 1946.

Public Law 79-476 (Pub.L. 79-476) was passed by the U.S. Congress in 1946. The Civil Air Patrol, the auxiliary of the United States Air Force, was to be "solely of a benevolent character".

I would view the dropping of weapons on enemies a benevolent act, wouldn't you? :angel: My point was that we had no more legal authority to wage war upon the enemy in WWII (as CAP) then we do as CAP, Inc. Which is to say, none at all. Congress can grant letters of Marque and Reprisal, and we could legally go out there and kick some pirate booty.

[SJFedor]

Speaking of rust buckets, a Russian Typhoon class boomer:



More here.

Caption: In soviet russia, submarine drives you!

[Smithsonia]

If Israel would buy a few of these old Russia boomers and then park them off the Iranian coast -- I'll bet that Iranian President Amadinejad would NOT be quite so threatening to the world.

That duty doesn't sound like fun to me... so I am not recommending that CAP get into running a Submarine Fleet for Israel. Claustrophobic, in the dark, waiting for the end of the world... has always been part of the silent service's downside. So, I'd rather be flying.

The term "benevolent society" doesn't exclude every possibility to armed engagement. Otherwise the Red Cross could never hire guards at their refugee food distribution sites.

(Russian Missile Subs - Boomers - Out of sight - but - Never out of mind.) 

[JohnKachenmeister]

If Israel would buy a few of these old Russia boomers and then park them off the Iranian coast -- I'll bet that Iranian President Amadinejad would NOT be quite so threatening to the world.

That duty doesn't sound like fun to me... so I am not recommending that CAP get into running a Submarine Fleet for Israel. Claustrophobic, in the dark, waiting for the end of the world... has always been part of the silent service's downside. So, I'd rather be flying.

The term "benevolent society" doesn't exclude every possibility to armed engagement. Otherwise the Red Cross could never hire guards at their refugee food distribution sites.

(Russian Missile Subs - Boomers - Out of sight - but - Never out of mind.)

This all sounds like great fun, but do you really think the "Girlie Men" at National would even THINK about any kind of action?  Remember... these are "Men" who think service in the American armed forces is "Inappropriate" for CAP members!

[tarheel gumby]

There are a few Aircraft Carriers in Mothballs That we could use. With our light Aircraft we wouldn't need to use tailhooks or the cats. And they would just scare the pants off of the pirates.

[wingnut55]

Girlie Men" at National ??

John when I was on active duty I met lots of Girlie Men

So what do you think of the Point Shaving in Toledo?

[Auxpilot]

How about painting Nancy Pelosi's face on the back of every ship that travels those waters. Kinda like a pirate scare crow

Another idea would be to blast a Hillary campain speech over the loud speaker every ten minutes or so, might kill the whales though........

[Spike]

And this thread is toasted!

[flyerthom]

And this thread is toasted!

Sunk like a pirate skiff ...

[Spike]

Now we can play pirate too!  Linky ->  http://www.kumagames.com/

JOKE...............
Did you hear about the new Somali Pirate Cocktail?

Three shots and three splashes of water.

[Major Lord]

Girlie man? I thought we had a manly girl?