NB Agenda Sept. 2010

[FW]

Here's the agenda for the National Board Meeting. Enjoy.

[DakRadz]

As a cadet with no experience seeing such documents (why I love CAPtalk- I learn!), I must admit I choked upon seeing 65 pages... Time to get reading!

[cap235629]

Looks like they listened to the membership with the military service award, but once again slap the fat and fuzzy veterans in the face because they don't like us..........

[RVT]

Looks like they listened to the membership with the military service award, but once again slap the fat and fuzzy veterans in the face because they don't like us..........

The point they were making is that they would be authorizing a ribbon that would only be good on the aviator shirt.  It would not be needed on anything else as the only CAP distinctive service coat is being phased out without a replacement.

Its a substitute for all the military ribbons you are not wearing - if you DO have those on, it becomes superfluous.  Create it, and I guarantee people will wear both it AND all their military ribbons.

[Eclipse]

Item 1 & 2 are administrative boiler plate.

Item 3: Cadet Safety Officer and Staff Duty Analysis

Item 4:  Removal of Face-to-Face Safety Education for Members

Item 5:   Modification to Recognition of Safety Excellence

Item 6:  Revision of Introductory Safety Training

Item 7: Change of Language: CAPR 62-2, Addition of Classifications

Item 8: Squadron of Distinction

Item 9: Selection & Appointment Process: NCAC Chair & Vice Chair

Item 10: G1000 Check Ride Requirement

Item 11: Mission Check Pilots

Item 12: Standardize Procedures through the use of Supplements and Operating Procedures

Item 13:  Creation, Listing, and Distribution of Forms

Item 14:  Suspension of Membership

Item 15:   Membership Renewal – Tracking Required Training

Item 16: Establishment of a Drug Demand Reduction Officer Member of the Year Award

Item 17:  Armed Forces Veteran's Ribbon

Item 18: Simplification of ID Card and Documentation Requirements

Item 19:  CAP National Vice Commander Election

Item 20: Confirmation of CS, NFO, NLO, NC, Chaplain

Item 21: Specialty Tracks

Item 22:   CAP Chaplain Qualifications

Item 23:  Extension of Professional Appointments and Promotions to Include Homeland Security and Emergency Management Professionals

Item 24:  Regulations

Item 25: Making Accident / Incident Information available to Pilots

Item 26:  Conduct of Members Using Social Media

[Eclipse]

Item 1 & 2 are administrative boiler plate.

Item 3: Cadet Safety Officer and Staff Duty Analysis
No opinion.

Item 4:  Removal of Face-to-Face Safety Education for Members
Concur.

Item 5:   Modification to Recognition of Safety Excellence
No opinion.

Item 6:  Revision of Introductory Safety Training
Concur.

Item 7: Change of Language: CAPR 62-2, Addition of Classifications
Administrative.

Item 8: Squadron of Distinction
No opinion - the award is already too subjective, and not a "roll-up", which has never made sense to me.

Item 9: Selection & Appointment Process: NCAC Chair & Vice Chair
The only cadets eligible should be the chair(s) of the region CACs.

Item 10: G1000 Check Ride Requirement
Concur, but would also like to see us do a better job nationlly in terms of scheduling aircraft and aircraft maintenance, which is really the problem.  I don't know about other wings, but the number indicated for mine is incorrect (too low, we have 4).

Item 11: Mission Check Pilots
No opinion

Item 12: Standardize Procedures through the use of Supplements and Operating Procedures
Concur, or better still, just reduce / elimiate the process for supplements altogether.  The vast majority I have read either restate existing regs or are somebody's personal per peeve.

Item 13:  Creation, Listing, and Distribution of Forms
No opinion (administrative)

Item 14:  Suspension of Membership
No opinion

Item 15:   Membership Renewal – Tracking Required Training
Concur.

Item 16: Establishment of a Drug Demand Reduction Officer Member of the Year Award
No opinion.

Item 17:  Armed Forces Veteran's Ribbon
Non concur, members are already allowed to wear their military ribbons.

Item 18: Simplification of ID Card and Documentation Requirements
Semi-concur.
How about a real ID system that would link all those quals to the photo ID?  Scan, identify.

Item 19:  CAP National Vice Commander Election
Goof Luck Col. Carr!

Item 20: Confirmation of CS, NFO, NLO, NC, Chaplain
Administrative.

Item 21: Specialty Tracks
Non concur, as mentioned, no problem exists.

Item 22:   CAP Chaplain Qualifications
No opinon beyond I agree that we need to answer this question as posed:
Is the goal of the CAP chaplain program to provide chaplains to the USAF or to provide chaplains to members of the CAP?

Item 23:  Extension of Professional Appointments and Promotions to Include Homeland Security and Emergency Management Professionals
No opinion

Item 24:  Regulations
Concur, or better still, just alighn all of them at once, and then update them within the prescribed deadlines.

Item 25: Making Accident / Incident Information available to Pilots
No opinion.

Item 26:  Conduct of Members Using Social Media
Semi-concur.  We need to do something, but what we can do is a minefield. I wish our new Vice CC the best of luck in this endeavor.

[SarDragon]

Wanna try for three times, Bob? 

[HGjunkie]

Wanna try for three times, Bob? 

Seriously...

[Eclipse]

One is there for others to cut/paste.

No charge.

[arajca]

Item 17 resembles a proposal I submitted a couple years ago. A critical not I included that was not mentioned in the agenda item is the exclusivity between the HSA and military ribbons. One or the other on the AF style uniform, not both.

As to those who say we can already wear our military awards, you're wrong. Not every member can. If you wear the aviator shirt you're SOL.

[DakRadz]

Item 17:  Armed Forces Veteran’s Ribbon
Non concur, members are already allowed to wear their military ribbons.

Point being that those veterans not eligible for USAF-style are confined to Corporate.
No military ribbons on Corporate.

I understand that the cost-effectiveness may be an issue, especially since the number of eligible Corporate uniforms is about to shrink, but members are not always allowed their military ribbons.

arajca beat me to it.

[SarDragon]

This one is really tough for me, as one of the affected members.

On one hand, I get to wear something that acknowledges my military service. On the other, wear of ribbons by officers on shirts seems to be a traditional no-no.

If this were authorized, how many members would actually wear the ribbon?

[Short Field]

On the other, wear of ribbons by officers on shirts seems to be a traditional no-no.

It seems to be the norm more than the exception where I am located.

[DakRadz]

This one is really tough for me, as one of the affected members.

On one hand, I get to wear something that acknowledges my military service. On the other, wear of ribbons by officers on shirts seems to be a traditional no-no.

But sir, you can show you're a former NCO in officer's shouldermarks by wearing ribbons (my CC does it, and one of his ranks was PO1 ^_^)

Short-stacking is one way to go- wear three ribbons that mean the most, low-profile but can speak volumes; plus wings/GT badge/etc.

And I realize I got this idea from my Navy instructors and khakis... Maybe that wouldn't work.

[SarDragon]

That's great, but it's going to take ten years for everyone to learn the new ribbon, anyway.

How many former cadet SMs recognize the Armstrong and Feik ribbons, or even the Eaker, much less regular SMs?

[Майор Хаткевич]

That's great, but it's going to take ten years for everyone to learn the new ribbon, anyway.

How many former cadet SMs recognize the Armstrong and Feik ribbons, or even the Eaker, much less regular SMs?

I never earned the Feik. Though I have some pictures with the Colonel.

[AirDX]

If this were authorized, how many members would actually wear the ribbon?

Me.  I have no other way to demonstrate my prior military service, since I cannot wear the USAF-style uniforms.  It's pretty simple, write the reg so that the ribbon is only authorized when military ribbons are not worn.  People will screw it up, but that's no reason not to write a reg...

And authorize short-stacking, I'd jump on that in a second.

[SarDragon]

Don't get me wrong, I'd wear it, too, but I'm still wondering if it's really worth the effort.

[Eclipse]

And authorize short-stacking, I'd jump on that in a second.

Short stacking is already authorized for Seniors.

[MSG Mac]

I would prefer that they adopt the policy of the Veterans Administration which advocates the wearing of "military ribbons" with civilian clothing on holidays such as Veterans Day, Memorial Day, and the 4Th of July