I've found something facinating: The 122nd Special Operations Squadron. http://122sos.freeservers.com/index.html
Does anyone know much about the CAP Special Operations Squadrons, and what they're all about? This is really cool.
They aren't advertised on the National HQ site (though that's probably a good thing). 8)
They tend to be pretty unreachable as they don't officially exist. On the other hand, if you make a good enough name for yourself and drop enough mentions of your interest in them, I am sure one of their reps will be contacting you for an entrance interview.
Seems to be a spoof site since such squadrons don't and can't exist. Also, they talk about DEA missions with specifics and that's a big no-no. These missions are classified. Oh yeah, they're also failing to use people's last names as if these people were actually deployed on sensitive missions (including the PAO!)
I would actually forward this site to NHQ legal for termination as it gives the wrong impression of CAP.
It's a spoof site.......it's been seen here and othe spots before.
That's too bad... for a moment, I thought it was actually something real. Must be my gullability kicking in. (http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/29/29_1_9.gif)
Quote from: 12211985 on April 24, 2007, 04:23:25 AM
That's too bad... for a moment, I thought it was actually something real. Must be my gullability kicking in. (http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/29/29_1_9.gif)
Gullible, eh? I can help! PM me, and I'll get you my address. You can send me a check for my services and we'll get that fixed right up!
Did you know that the word gullible isn't in the dictionary?
Ahhhhh yes....CAP Special Operations.
I posted this over at CadetStuff when I first got back into CAP....here is what I think about CAP Spec Ops and the desire to have "elite" teams.
Although I do realize this Unit that was asked about doesn't exist.....I figured, why not. It is pretty funny though.....I like the black and white photo of the guys inspecting the M-60 Machinegun!
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I hope Im not digging up an old thread....but this is an age old quest of the CAP member.....the elite unit. It was often dreamed and talked about when I was a cadet.
The reality is....CAP does not have the time, man power, resources ($$$$) or the need to have any "elite" units. In 99% of the cases,....CAP is search and FIND, NOT Search and Rescue. The Rescue aspect is where rubber meets the road. Now your getting into Medevac, trauma, casualty management, etc.
As far as the cadet program.....Let me be blunt..nobody is going to contract with High School students, no matter the level of training, for high angle technical rescue, swift water, winter ops....or an "elite" search. Nor do cadets need to be put in life and death situations. Things happen on Rescue missions that can change someones life forever. CAP is geared to give you the cadet, a foundation to move on and be successful in life, whatever your path.
As far as the Senior program, Those of us who arent retired, have families and full time jobs.
I am involved in SAR with my Depts Air Unit. The level of training is dangerous and on going. The missions themselves are very physically and mentally exhausting. The equipment / training costs alone would probably bankrupt CAP. My units budget is nearly $800k per year. Not to mention the costs of a prolonged operation.
CAP has come along way with CD and ES with Homeland Security. Should we strive to get better....YES.....but we need to be realistic. Sould we offer advanced training? Yes, we should.
But, CAP is not designed, nor does it have the capacity to stand up "elite" teams.....the level of training and experience necessary to gain the confidence in those missions are high. And with the cadet program.....honestly....cadets arent around long enough to gain the experience or invest the training $$'s in. And by the the time your old enough, physically and mentally, your probably moving on.
Quote from: SarDragon on April 24, 2007, 07:23:23 AM
Did you know that the word gullible isn't in the dictionary?
Oh, you almost got me there friend.
But for the most part, I am pretty gullible. (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/gullible)
That was incredible!! I applaud the genius that put that together. Really, the links got to other " SOS" sites and everything. It took me 10 minutes to stop laughing. I can't believe someone actually put time into this farce. Hats off to them.
Since I am special I wonder if they will let me join?
If you can get one of the email links to work, go for it. I tried to "join" a few months back, and all the email links bounced, including the ones on the sites for the other two units.
Since I am special I wonder if they will let me join?
No you can't join, but you do have your own olympics >:D ;D
Quote from: Smokey on April 25, 2007, 02:01:35 AM
Since I am special I wonder if they will let me join?
No you can't join, but you do have your own olympics >:D ;D
Going tomorrow as a matter of fact to play the Star Spangled Banner for the beginning ;D
Quote from: afgeo4 on April 24, 2007, 04:04:22 AM
Seems to be a spoof site since such squadrons don't and can't exist. Also, they talk about DEA missions with specifics and that's a big no-no. These missions are classified. Oh yeah, they're also failing to use people's last names as if these people were actually deployed on sensitive missions (including the PAO!)
I would actually forward this site to NHQ legal for termination as it gives the wrong impression of CAP.
I would've thought that the photo of the M-60 sticking out the window of the aircraft might have been enough of a giveway too.
Quote from: SarDragon on April 24, 2007, 07:23:23 AM
Did you know that the word gullible isn't in the dictionary?
It's in this one: http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/gullible
Quote from: Hawk200 on April 29, 2007, 01:02:33 PM
Quote from: SarDragon on April 24, 2007, 07:23:23 AM
Did you know that the word gullible isn't in the dictionary?
It's in this one: http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/gullible
Man... Dave, you hooked another one with that
A few months ago, a mission closing traffic announcment came over the CA Wing "all" list, and said that a "Special Operatons" team had closed out an ELT mission on a military base. I e-mailed the IC with " WTF? Over? " request, and he E-mailed back that CAP S.O. teams have "Special Access" to military bases. Apparently, CAWG is not in on the joke. I have heard of chairborn ranger squadrons, and squadrons with "special" members (you know, the short bus kind...) but have never seen evidence of a real CAP ELT hunter/killer team.....
Capt. Lord
(http://www.incountry.us/cappatches/TX/txspecop.jpg)
Okay seriously... we do some sensitive work with the state & 1AF on HLS missions, but that's basically within the CD qual'd community. The people refered to by this patch are at the state EOC liaising such operations.
We don't have any special access to mil base teams, which I guess would be me with my CAC now, but that's not a real good way to roll on a base with a job to do. You actually want to alert the base operations & security people as you come on, so special access isn't needed.
Quote from: CaptLord on April 29, 2007, 02:46:35 PM
A few months ago, a mission closing traffic announcment came over the CA Wing "all" list, and said that a "Special Operatons" team had closed out an ELT mission on a military base. I e-mailed the IC with " WTF? Over? " request, and he E-mailed back that CAP S.O. teams have "Special Access" to military bases. Apparently, CAWG is not in on the joke. I have heard of chairborn ranger squadrons, and squadrons with "special" members (you know, the short bus kind...) but have never seen evidence of a real CAP ELT hunter/killer team.....
Capt. Lord
WIWAC, my UDFT that I created was pretty special ops (or at least special). There were few places we wouldn't go and few crazy things we wouldn't do to find an offending little box. As a result, I have over 20 finds from just over 7 years, but we were pretty nuts. :D Let's see -- oil rigs, roof of the Marriott at PHL (twice), and "special" access to all kinds of places, mostly just 'cuz we asked nicely and/or had AFRCC talk to someone. Oh then there was the mission when one of the seniors actually
set off an ELT...
We need more special ops UDF teams...you know, with technical gear and stuff. Airport fence? NO PROBLEM! >:D
So are you guys flying 182 RG's?
DNALL! Ours is cooler!
(http://www.incountry.us/cappatches/PA/pa31wso.jpg)
Quote from: JC004 on April 29, 2007, 03:29:08 PM
WIWAC, my UDFT that I created was pretty special ops (or at least special). There were few places we wouldn't go and few crazy things we wouldn't do to find an offending little box. As a result, I have over 20 finds from just over 7 years, but we were pretty nuts. :D Let's see -- oil rigs, roof of the Marriott at PHL (twice), and "special" access to all kinds of places, mostly just 'cuz we asked nicely and/or had AFRCC talk to someone. Oh then there was the mission when one of the seniors actually set off an ELT...
We need more special ops UDF teams...you know, with technical gear and stuff. Airport fence? NO PROBLEM! >:D
I think there have been a lot of squadrons like the one you described. In my case, it was the latter part of the '80s. We had our "Recondo" flight. We
ONLY met outside of regularly meetings so we would be separate from the other cadets who weren't in to ES stuff. We designed our own "scroll", which I have somewhere and was designed after the old 1st Ranger BN scroll. We made up our team like an Army SF Team. Even had a "HALO" specialist (High Altitude Low Observer). Yes, in the mind of a 15 or 16 year old, being able to climb a tree or find yourself on top of a muli-story building earns itself a special operations title. We had our team leader, assistant team leader, engineer, medic, intel sergeant, etc. Did we ever truly operate on real missions like this? Absolutely not. But in our minds we were special. Fun stuff! Even went on unauthorized recon missions around the area to include a night time op to recon the Mayo Clinic in Jacksonville. That one called for a waterborne team as well as an LP/OP.
Here's a picture of the guys in irregular uniforms. We managed to get a local National Guard SF type to take us rappeling. Other pics have us going Aussie style of the skid as well as with full rucks on the wall. Nothing official, but you certainly don't see these kinds of things happening these days unless an old school senior member is running the show. In which case, I'd be disappointed.
(http://jacksonvillesquadron.org/images/jax_sq_pic_400x303.jpg)
Quote from: CaptLord on April 29, 2007, 02:46:35 PM
A few months ago, a mission closing traffic announcment came over the CA Wing "all" list, and said that a "Special Operatons" team had closed out an ELT mission on a military base. I e-mailed the IC with " WTF? Over? " request, and he E-mailed back that CAP S.O. teams have "Special Access" to military bases. Apparently, CAWG is not in on the joke. I have heard of chairborn ranger squadrons, and squadrons with "special" members (you know, the short bus kind...) but have never seen evidence of a real CAP ELT hunter/killer team.....
Capt. Lord
Yeah, the "Special Operations Team" all had military ID.
Quote from: PHall on April 29, 2007, 08:06:16 PM
Quote from: CaptLord on April 29, 2007, 02:46:35 PM
A few months ago, a mission closing traffic announcment came over the CA Wing "all" list, and said that a "Special Operatons" team had closed out an ELT mission on a military base. I e-mailed the IC with " WTF? Over? " request, and he E-mailed back that CAP S.O. teams have "Special Access" to military bases. Apparently, CAWG is not in on the joke. I have heard of chairborn ranger squadrons, and squadrons with "special" members (you know, the short bus kind...) but have never seen evidence of a real CAP ELT hunter/killer team.....
Capt. Lord
Yeah, the "Special Operations Team" all had military ID.
That's exactly what I was thinking. Either dependents, reservists or AD. Heck, I've got a dependent ID, AF (ANG) CAC and Civilian DOD CAC. I'm "Triple Stacked" Special Operations Capable.
I hate to break this to you all. But nonthing we do in the CAP CD realm is top secreat or that sensative. I was talking to our Wing CD officer and I asked him that while I recruiting for CAP if someone asked me what exactly we do in CD what I could tell them.
He told me to tell them what we do. We fly missions to help law enforcement eradicate weed and look for weed. Thats what we do. Its no secret. Now, obviously, we dont want to go around telling people when exactly we do these missions and where. but I think thats common sense. But for all you folks that think you're doing some top secret squirrel stuff. You arent sorry.
Quote from: flyguy06 on April 29, 2007, 08:59:25 PM
I hate to break this to you all. But nonthing we do in the CAP CD realm is top secreat or that sensative. I was talking to our Wing CD officer and I asked him that while I recruiting for CAP if someone asked me what exactly we do in CD what I could tell them.
He told me to tell them what we do. We fly missions to help law enforcement eradicate weed and look for weed. Thats what we do. Its no secret. Now, obviously, we dont want to go around telling people when exactly we do these missions and where. but I think thats common sense. But for all you folks that think you're doing some top secret squirrel stuff. You arent sorry.
Are you a cadet?
Anyway, I'm pretty sure no one has said anything about them being high speed, top secret, covert or on the cutting edge of teer one units in CAP. I think, if anything, people were joking about being "Special Operations". Sorry to burst your bubble, but no one is really heart broken by you letting us know that CD isn't a covert mission.
Quote from: Stonewall on April 29, 2007, 09:21:36 PM
Quote from: flyguy06 on April 29, 2007, 08:59:25 PM
I hate to break this to you all. But nonthing we do in the CAP CD realm is top secreat or that sensative. I was talking to our Wing CD officer and I asked him that while I recruiting for CAP if someone asked me what exactly we do in CD what I could tell them.
He told me to tell them what we do. We fly missions to help law enforcement eradicate weed and look for weed. Thats what we do. Its no secret. Now, obviously, we dont want to go around telling people when exactly we do these missions and where. but I think thats common sense. But for all you folks that think you're doing some top secret squirrel stuff. You arent sorry.
Are you a cadet?
Anyway, I'm pretty sure no one has said anything about them being high speed, top secret, covert or on the cutting edge of teer one units in CAP. I think, if anything, people were joking about being "Special Operations". Sorry to burst your bubble, but no one is really heart broken by you letting us know that CD isn't a covert mission.
CD isn't top secret, covert operations?! ::CRIES UNCONTROLLABLY:: But...but...eh, at least there's a ribbon. >:D ;D
Quote from: JC004 on April 29, 2007, 10:17:56 PM
Quote from: Stonewall on April 29, 2007, 09:21:36 PM
Quote from: flyguy06 on April 29, 2007, 08:59:25 PM
I hate to break this to you all. But nonthing we do in the CAP CD realm is top secreat or that sensative. I was talking to our Wing CD officer and I asked him that while I recruiting for CAP if someone asked me what exactly we do in CD what I could tell them.
He told me to tell them what we do. We fly missions to help law enforcement eradicate weed and look for weed. Thats what we do. Its no secret. Now, obviously, we dont want to go around telling people when exactly we do these missions and where. but I think thats common sense. But for all you folks that think you're doing some top secret squirrel stuff. You arent sorry.
Are you a cadet?
Anyway, I'm pretty sure no one has said anything about them being high speed, top secret, covert or on the cutting edge of teer one units in CAP. I think, if anything, people were joking about being "Special Operations". Sorry to burst your bubble, but no one is really heart broken by you letting us know that CD isn't a covert mission.
CD isn't top secret, covert operations?! ::CRIES UNCONTROLLABLY:: But...but...eh, at least there's a ribbon. >:D ;D
Obviously, he's talking about the drug surveillance missions that are flown by CD pilots with the DEA on board. The 122nd is in the eradication business, and uses napalm for marijuana fields or willie peter to take out the meth labs detected with the hyperspectral imaging.
Those missions are classified, so classified that I didn't tell you about them.
Quote from: JohnKachenmeister on April 29, 2007, 10:28:10 PM
Quote from: JC004 on April 29, 2007, 10:17:56 PM
Quote from: Stonewall on April 29, 2007, 09:21:36 PM
Quote from: flyguy06 on April 29, 2007, 08:59:25 PM
I hate to break this to you all. But nonthing we do in the CAP CD realm is top secreat or that sensative. I was talking to our Wing CD officer and I asked him that while I recruiting for CAP if someone asked me what exactly we do in CD what I could tell them.
He told me to tell them what we do. We fly missions to help law enforcement eradicate weed and look for weed. Thats what we do. Its no secret. Now, obviously, we dont want to go around telling people when exactly we do these missions and where. but I think thats common sense. But for all you folks that think you're doing some top secret squirrel stuff. You arent sorry.
Are you a cadet?
Anyway, I'm pretty sure no one has said anything about them being high speed, top secret, covert or on the cutting edge of teer one units in CAP. I think, if anything, people were joking about being "Special Operations". Sorry to burst your bubble, but no one is really heart broken by you letting us know that CD isn't a covert mission.
CD isn't top secret, covert operations?! ::CRIES UNCONTROLLABLY:: But...but...eh, at least there's a ribbon. >:D ;D
Obviously, he's talking about the drug surveillance missions that are flown by CD pilots with the DEA on board. The 122nd is in the eradication business, and uses napalm for marijuana fields or willie peter to take out the meth labs detected with the hyperspectral imaging.
Those missions are classified, so classified that I didn't tell you about them.
I won't tell anybody. But I'm not so sure about the hyperspectral imaging part...I don't think that stuff works as well as advertised.
Quote from: JC004 on April 29, 2007, 10:41:49 PM
Quote from: JohnKachenmeister on April 29, 2007, 10:28:10 PM
Quote from: JC004 on April 29, 2007, 10:17:56 PM
Quote from: Stonewall on April 29, 2007, 09:21:36 PM
Quote from: flyguy06 on April 29, 2007, 08:59:25 PM
I hate to break this to you all. But nonthing we do in the CAP CD realm is top secreat or that sensative. I was talking to our Wing CD officer and I asked him that while I recruiting for CAP if someone asked me what exactly we do in CD what I could tell them.
He told me to tell them what we do. We fly missions to help law enforcement eradicate weed and look for weed. Thats what we do. Its no secret. Now, obviously, we dont want to go around telling people when exactly we do these missions and where. but I think thats common sense. But for all you folks that think you're doing some top secret squirrel stuff. You arent sorry.
Are you a cadet?
Anyway, I'm pretty sure no one has said anything about them being high speed, top secret, covert or on the cutting edge of teer one units in CAP. I think, if anything, people were joking about being "Special Operations". Sorry to burst your bubble, but no one is really heart broken by you letting us know that CD isn't a covert mission.
CD isn't top secret, covert operations?! ::CRIES UNCONTROLLABLY:: But...but...eh, at least there's a ribbon. >:D ;D
Obviously, he's talking about the drug surveillance missions that are flown by CD pilots with the DEA on board. The 122nd is in the eradication business, and uses napalm for marijuana fields or willie peter to take out the meth labs detected with the hyperspectral imaging.
Those missions are classified, so classified that I didn't tell you about them.
I won't tell anybody. But I'm not so sure about the hyperspectral imaging part...I don't think that stuff works as well as advertised.
Well, don't tell anybody, but that was how we took out the Chinese Embassy a while back. HSI had it down as a Meth lab!
Quote from: JohnKachenmeister on April 30, 2007, 01:34:55 AM
Well, don't tell anybody, but that was how we took out the Chinese Embassy a while back. HSI had it down as a Meth lab!
Awesome! CAP guys going overseas and blowing stuff up. Can't get anymore rad than that!
Was taking out the Chinese Embassy an AF mission or a Corporate mission?
Had to be Corporate. The Chinese were meeting with representatives from Vanguard to try to sell Tony on the idea of a "Nehru jacket" as a Corporate uniform. Complete with a neck pendant with the new Command Patch in solid gold.
Note to other old farts: I NEVER wore a Nehru jacket back in the 60's. I did wear leisure suits in the 70's, though. Still do, in fact.
Quote from: JohnKachenmeister on April 30, 2007, 03:56:23 AM
Note to other old farts: I NEVER wore a Nehru jacket back in the 60's. I did wear leisure suits in the 70's, though. Still do, in fact.
100% Polyester?
Quote from: Stonewall on April 29, 2007, 09:21:36 PM
I think, if anything, people were joking about being "Special Operations".
Well, I must be special ops ... I mean, I'm in the Air Force and have a beret. That makes me special ops, right?
Quote from: mclarty on April 30, 2007, 04:34:58 AM
Quote from: Stonewall on April 29, 2007, 09:21:36 PM
I think, if anything, people were joking about being "Special Operations".
Well, I must be special ops ... I mean, I'm in the Air Force and have a beret. That makes me special ops, right?
The beret absolutely means special ops. You are automatically special as soon as you put a beret on. >:D
Quote from: JC004 on April 29, 2007, 10:41:49 PM
I won't tell anybody. But I'm not so sure about the hyperspectral imaging part...I don't think that stuff works as well as advertised.
No kidding.
CD missions aren't a big deal, but it's mostly CD qual'd crew/staff that get tapped for more sensitive stuff, cause they already have the background checks & such done & some experience. In our state, we fly the border a lot, provide comm support for state/fed actions on the border, screen locations for dignitaries, recon helo LZs for state movements, etc. That's mostly what I'm talking about. We also do some radar intercept stuff & attempt to penetrate ground screens, and of course the old low-level route surveys. Certainly there's a lot more that can be done, but having people screened to do it is fairly helpful.
Quote from: mclarty on April 30, 2007, 04:34:58 AM
Well, I must be special ops ... I mean, I'm in the Air Force and have a beret. That makes me special ops, right?
Yeah...you're "special" alright. But not like you think.
Dang, I need a TDY to Lackland...
Quote from: JC004 on April 30, 2007, 04:36:42 AM
Quote from: mclarty on April 30, 2007, 04:34:58 AM
Quote from: Stonewall on April 29, 2007, 09:21:36 PM
I think, if anything, people were joking about being "Special Operations".
Well, I must be special ops ... I mean, I'm in the Air Force and have a beret. That makes me special ops, right?
The beret absolutely means special ops. You are automatically special as soon as you put a beret on. >:D
Are NBB Grads SF then? :D
I probably put my post inthe wrong place. I wasnt talking about this thread or the 122nd I know its fake and I know everyone on this thread is joking around.
I was referring to the actual CD mission.
We know, Flyguy. But we were having so much fun, we didn't want to get serious.
...or DID we?
Quote from: PhoenixCadet on April 30, 2007, 06:44:22 AM
Quote from: JC004 on April 30, 2007, 04:36:42 AM
Quote from: mclarty on April 30, 2007, 04:34:58 AM
Quote from: Stonewall on April 29, 2007, 09:21:36 PM
I think, if anything, people were joking about being "Special Operations".
Well, I must be special ops ... I mean, I'm in the Air Force and have a beret. That makes me special ops, right?
The beret absolutely means special ops. You are automatically special as soon as you put a beret on. >:D
Are NBB Grads SF then? :D
Yup. Absolutely. How else do you explain cadets' obsession with berets? Interestingly enough, I never went through the beret stage, WIWAC.
Quote from: JC004 on April 30, 2007, 02:40:40 PM
Quote from: PhoenixCadet on April 30, 2007, 06:44:22 AM
Quote from: JC004 on April 30, 2007, 04:36:42 AM
Quote from: mclarty on April 30, 2007, 04:34:58 AM
Quote from: Stonewall on April 29, 2007, 09:21:36 PM
I think, if anything, people were joking about being "Special Operations".
Well, I must be special ops ... I mean, I'm in the Air Force and have a beret. That makes me special ops, right?
The beret absolutely means special ops. You are automatically special as soon as you put a beret on. >:D
Are NBB Grads SF then? :D
Yup. Absolutely. How else do you explain cadets' obsession with berets? Interestingly enough, I never went through the beret stage, WIWAC.
WIWAC, we had a SM who thought it would be "neat-o" to have our color guard in berets. The younger cadets were all "oh wow, cool!!", us older cadets quickly vetoed the idea. It was bad enough that cadet officers, especially C/1st LTs and C/Captains, were often mistaken for AF Officers, we didn't want to be mistaken for Security Police too (our squadron was on an AF Base).
Before one of those sites disappeared, I did a "right click, save as.." on the some piccys:
(http://captalk.net/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1984.0;attach=533;image)
A couple more patches from some Bad A$$ SOP CAP units...
(http://www.incountry.us/cappatches/IA/iawgcnfc.jpg)
(http://www.incountry.us/cappatches/MN/mnspec.jpg)
- Ace
Im not understanding the need to have a "Special Operations" patch on your sleeve, simply because your looking for weed. PLEASE tell me we dont have civilians walking around with "Counter Narcotics Flight Crew" on their sleeve!? Unless your carrying a weapon your asking for some serious trouble. If people are really wearing theses, your making yourselves look silly in front of your military and police counter parts.
And the skull and cross bones? If these are just novelty patches than OK. But I'd fall out of my chair if I actually saw someone wearing one of these.
What if there was a specially trained Disaster Relief emergency team whose members were scattered around the nation but trained together say once a year and who had full access of GA8s as needed? They would agree to mobilize on 24 hour notice to anywhere in the US? Perhaps CAP would pay for their mobilization airfare? Would that be a spec ops unit?
No, that would be the National Guard.
Quote from: Flying Pig on April 30, 2007, 08:41:59 PM
No, that would be the National Guard.
I'd say it would be a FEMA task force, but that's just my experience.
Ace, do you have this patch in your collection?
(http://captalk.net/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1984.0;attach=544;image)
Quote from: afgeo4 on April 30, 2007, 08:29:39 PM
What if there was a specially trained Disaster Relief emergency team whose members were scattered around the nation but trained together say once a year...Would that be a spec ops unit?
It would be a pretty ineffective unit. Scattered around the country and train together once a year - no thanks.
Federal Type I and II IMTs, FEMA task forces, guard units, etc. don't come together from around the country and only train together once a year. These are put together from various units, but they are from local (regional) areas and train together more than once a year.
Mike
Quote from: afgeo4 on April 30, 2007, 08:29:39 PM
What if there was a specially trained Disaster Relief emergency team whose members were scattered around the nation but trained together say once a year and who had full access of GA8s as needed? They would agree to mobilize on 24 hour notice to anywhere in the US? Perhaps CAP would pay for their mobilization airfare? Would that be a spec ops unit?
Covered by DMAT and DMORT. Anyone ever explored an MOU with these teams?
Quote from: Flying Pig on April 30, 2007, 07:07:30 PM
Im not understanding the need to have a "Special Operations" patch on your sleeve, simply because your looking for weed.
Really. Following that ideal, all my narcotics detective friends would be "Special Ops Cops" (heh, that rhymes).
Quote from: shorning on April 30, 2007, 05:16:03 AM
Dang, I need a TDY to Lackland...
Yes. You do. It'd be a pleasure to host your after-hours entertainment while in the Greater San Antonio area... I've done my best drinking with SNCOs. :) Just make it before July or after next February, eh? Oh wait, you're in a COCOM, you can take TDYs whenever/wherever you want. Sorry.
Edit: Okay, not including you, Kirt... my best drinking has been with SNCOs.
Quote from: mclarty on May 01, 2007, 06:07:09 AM
Oh wait, you're in a COCOM, you can take TDYs whenever/wherever you want. Sorry.
Um...no I'm not and no I can't. No travel for me. Not in my current job....
Mclarty....
Thats exaclty my point. CAP has people referring to themselves as Special Operations because they are looking for weed from an airplane. When in fact, the cops on the ground, and in the air dont even consider themselves Special Ops.
Just in case anyone's curious, we spend the same amount of time in CAP as the guard does on their one wknd a month/two wks a year.
Counter drug is NOT special operations at all, especially looking for weed, which is mostly just flying around a sack of patatos agent. We do more non-drug related HLS here than we do CD, by far, and some of it is rather sensetive at times - according to the state & AF, not us. It's not a big deal though, I wouldn't go so far as calling it special operations. Someone above mentioned a special team that trained together to do high end stuff & have an extra committment to be available/active/deploy/etc. That's pretty much the case with our folks, but it's more routine HLS stuff than disaster.
I'm sure other states are doing some interesting stuff too. The problem is it's a tiny range of mission we're capable of & they only go to a tiny range of crews that have themselves politically placed with access to the work.
I'd like to get a highspeed disaster assessment team together & correctly resourced according to NIMS & w/ organic air & C4ISR. That's still a stretch to call it special operations, but then we're calling 15yos "rangers" so what the hell?
Quote from: DNall on May 01, 2007, 08:16:56 AM
That's still a stretch to call it special operations, but then we're calling 15yos "rangers" so what the hell?
You beat me to it. It's an adult version of the same misguided wannabe argument. Just fly the mission, do the job, be proud, keep your mouth shut and forget the patches and parade uniform schtuff ferpetessake!
V/R,
Let your reputation among your peers be your patch.
I recall the line from the movie Tuskegee Airman......Lt. Col Benjamin O. Davis says, "We weren't assigned. We were requested".
I thought this pic was interesting, considering my experience on this make, model & type.. :)
(http://captalk.net/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1984.0;attach=532;image)
another shot I snagged from one of those sites before it disappeared. I didn't think we flew T-34Cs...
(http://captalk.net/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1984.0;attach=531;image)
Quote from: NIN on May 02, 2007, 02:54:40 AM
another shot I snagged from one of those sites before it disappeared. I didn't think we flew T-34Cs...
(http://captalk.net/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1984.0;attach=531;image)
As a cadet, I had the opportunity to ride with the Wing LO in a T-34 several times. Of course, I also got to ride in T-29s as well. You younguns will have to google those as they disappeared before you were born..
V/R,
Lt Col Ninness,
All the pictures you keep showing are showing up as pretty red X's... ???
Is there any way I can fix this?
Whoops! My bad!
Here are the red X photos re-attached:
Thanks much, sir!
A CAP UH-1... interesting! I didn't know CAP flew helicopters.
Allof the helicopters currently in use by CAP are painted black and operate out of NHQ. One is hovering over my house right no...........................................Aaarrrrggghhhh!
OK..What the history on the CAP Huey? And the tandem seat red and white. Are you sure thats not another clever Photoshop? Im not aware of CAP ever flying turbines, not to mention a Huey. The Huey paint scheme bears a striking resemblence to the Presidential Support Helos with HMX-1. An the fixed wing. CAP aircraft have civilian tail numbers. That airplane has a military style tail number.
Sorry, not buyin it.
Quote from: Flying Pig on May 02, 2007, 04:40:13 AM
Are you sure thats not another clever Photoshop?
Where's Tedda when you need him? ;D
The H-1 has definitely been 'Shopped. I can't tell on the other two. Maybe Tedda can tell.
Quote from: flyerthom on May 01, 2007, 04:21:48 AM
Covered by DMAT and DMORT. Anyone ever explored an MOU with these teams?
Several of us have tried, but they weren't able to budge under FEMA. Now that DMAT has moved back to HHS, we might have a fighting chance.
Quote from: Flying Pig on May 02, 2007, 04:40:13 AM
And the tandem seat red and white. Are you sure thats not another clever Photoshop?
As I stated earlier, the T-34 is real. I flew in them back in the early/mid 70s. They were considered high-performance aircraft as I recall, so the number of folks that were even allowed to fly it was small. Typically the LO and senior pilots were about it; at least in my neighborhood..
V/R,
Im not disputing that CAP may have had a few T-34's, but I dont think CAP ever had the T-34C which is what the photo is. The "C" is a turbine. I highly doubt CAP has ever had aircraft that burn Jet-A.
Quote from: SarDragon on May 02, 2007, 05:29:47 AM
The H-1 has definitely been 'Shopped. I can't tell on the other two. Maybe Tedda can tell.
I'll never tell.
here are a couple more of the graphics that I snagged from one of those sites\
The first one is the one I originally asked Ace Browing if he had in his collection...
Quote from: NIN on May 02, 2007, 08:12:29 PM
The first one is the one I originally asked Ace Browing if he had in his collection...
Negative... but me WANT! <hee hee> What is it and where did it come from?
- Ace
A less "special" ops... the Task Force!
(http://www.incountry.us/cappatches/CA/ca070.jpg)
Quote from: alamrcn on May 02, 2007, 09:05:20 PM
Negative... but me WANT! <hee hee> What is it and where did it come from?
It came off one of those "special ops" sites, not sure which one.
Here is another I had saved, too... (as I dig thru 3 hard drives trying to find photos I hoarked from a website three years ago..)
If I remember the figures CAP had 50 T-34's. One was to go to each Wing, but several Wings turned them down so a few Wings ended up with two. I saw somewhere last year that there was still one T-34 in the CAP inventory in one of the Southwest Wings. But it was rumored to be going to a air museum
Quote from: BillB on May 02, 2007, 10:24:00 PM
If I remember the figures CAP had 50 T-34's. One was to go to each Wing, but several Wings turned them down so a few Wings ended up with two. I saw somewhere last year that there was still one T-34 in the CAP inventory in one of the Southwest Wings. But it was rumored to be going to a air museum
The T-34s had a wing spar issue that basically rendered them unflyable without expensive one-time and recurring inspections.
There is a company that offered a wing spar replacement, but I seem to recall that the cost was more than I spent on the last three cars I've owned.
Ahhhhh, the Sky Master. What a machine.
Quote from: NIN on May 02, 2007, 09:58:28 PM
Quote from: alamrcn on May 02, 2007, 09:05:20 PM
Negative... but me WANT! <hee hee> What is it and where did it come from?
It came off one of those "special ops" sites, not sure which one.
Here is another I had saved, too... (as I dig thru 3 hard drives trying to find photos I hoarked from a website three years ago..)
MC-172? Oh, PLEASE!
If you want to make it a special operations military designation, try MT-41. The Cessna 172 with a 180 hp motor (Like what we got) is a T-41. The T-41C model has a 210 hp Continental engine, and was made exclusively for use at the Air Force Academy, due to their high elevation.
And change the name from "Skyhawk" to "Mescalero"
Beautiful Raven-Haired Girl: "I LOVE Air Force Auxiliary pilots... what do you fly?"
Handsome CAP Aviator: "T-41 Mescaleros, Honey."
Beautiful Raven-Haired Girl: "OOOhhh... and you have SO many ribbons! You must have every medal they make!"
Handsome CAP Aviator: (winking) "Everything except 'Good Conduct' sweetie!"
Quote from: Flying Pig on May 02, 2007, 11:04:21 PM
Ahhhhh, the Sky Master. What a machine.
(http://www.incountry.us/cappatches/WI/wiwgt34a.jpg)