GTM1

[airdale12]

I heard something from our group ES Officer that for GTM1 you have to be in the field for something like 3+ days in order to get the Participation in a sortie signed off. Is this true and were can I find this information?

Thanks

[Eclipse]

Not true.

The tasks for GTM1 are clear in the task guide.

"Mission Participation" is traditionally one sortie signed into a real or training mission, however by regulation this doesn't even have to have a mission number assigned to it.

Anything else is a wive's tale or local mandate.  Ask for a citation from either the task guide, 60-series, or a properly approved wing supplement or unit SOP.

[airdale12]

Thank You! That is nice to know!

[N Harmon]

I have heard claims that you can not get sortie credit for GTM1 on a team that is not able to conduct ground operations at that level (ie. one or more members are not GTM1 qualified or trainee). Same with GTM2. Thoughts?

[Short Field]

And what separates a GTM3 sortie from a GTM2 or GTM1 sortie?   

[Eclipse]

And what separates a GTM3 sortie from a GTM2 or GTM1 sortie?

Operations or tasks which the members are not qualified to perform.  A respective team's capabilities drop to the
lowest common denominator of the members and / or leader.

Specific to GTM1:

O-0401 Work with Canine Search Teams 
O-0416 Plan Search Line Operations 
O-0417 Organize a Search Line 
O-0418 Control a Search Line 
O-0419 Plan and Organize a Hasty Search 
O-0703 Employ Ground to Air Signals 
O-0802 Plan and Organize Site Surveillance 

So unless the team & leader's LCD is GTM1, they cannot do line searches, hasty searches, be involved with a dog team,
or a sortie which would involve a/g coordination or site security.

Specific to GTM2:
O-0104 Set up Shelter 
O-0202 Measure Distance with Pace Count 
O-0203 Navigate past an Obstacle 
O-0209 Identify The Major Terrain Features On A Map 
O-0210 Identify Topographic Symbols On A Map 
O-0211 Determine Elevation On Map 
O-0212 Measure Distance On A Map 
O-0213 Convert Between Map And Compass Azimuths 
O-0215 Determine Azimuths On A Map Using Two Points 
O-0216 Orient A Map To The Ground Using Terrain Association
O-0217 Orient A Map To North Using A Compass 
O-0420 Perform An Airfield Search (Ramp Check)

So any sorties where the tasking or ORM would dictate advanced navigation, the potential for having to shelter in place,
or even a ramp check would be prohibited unless the members and leader's LCD is at least GTM2.

This was one of the main reasons that a lot of us did not understand the need for a 3-tiered rating.  As defined, GTM3
is really only allowed to participate in low-ORM daylight ELT searches.  They have received no training beyond very basic
"don't touch this and what to do when lost" information, and while they have learned to be a part of a line search, the don't know how to organize or control the line (which is the GTL's job).

[Phil Hirons, Jr.]

And what separates a GTM3 sortie from a GTM2 or GTM1 sortie?

Operations or tasks which the members are not qualified to perform.  A respective team's capabilities drop to the
lowest common denominator of the members and / or leader.

Specific to GTM1:

O-0401 Work with Canine Search Teams 
O-0416 Plan Search Line Operations 
O-0417 Organize a Search Line 
O-0418 Control a Search Line 
O-0419 Plan and Organize a Hasty Search 
O-0703 Employ Ground to Air Signals 
O-0802 Plan and Organize Site Surveillance 

So unless the team & leader's LCD is GTM1, they cannot do line searches, hasty searches, be involved with a dog team,
or a sortie which would involve a/g coordination or site security.

Specific to GTM2:
O-0104 Set up Shelter 
O-0202 Measure Distance with Pace Count 
O-0203 Navigate past an Obstacle 
O-0209 Identify The Major Terrain Features On A Map 
O-0210 Identify Topographic Symbols On A Map 
O-0211 Determine Elevation On Map 
O-0212 Measure Distance On A Map 
O-0213 Convert Between Map And Compass Azimuths 
O-0215 Determine Azimuths On A Map Using Two Points 
O-0216 Orient A Map To The Ground Using Terrain Association
O-0217 Orient A Map To North Using A Compass 
O-0420 Perform An Airfield Search (Ramp Check)

So any sorties where the tasking or ORM would dictate advanced navigation, the potential for having to shelter in place,
or even a ramp check would be prohibited unless the members and leader's LCD is at least GTM2.

This was one of the main reasons that a lot of us did not understand the need for a 3-tiered rating.  As defined, GTM3
is really only allowed to participate in low-ORM daylight ELT searches.  They have received no training beyond very basic
"don't touch this and what to do when lost" information, and while they have learned to be a part of a line search, the don't know how to organize or control the line (which is the GTL's job).

I think you missed a few bits of information.

GTM3 has tasks to participate in hasty and line searches (O-0413, O-0404) . If they are UDF qualified they have O-0420 and could do ramp checks.
As far as working with A/C does the whole team have to know how to signal?

[Short Field]

^^^ According to this, a GTM3 can never be part of a line search because you would need to have a GTL leading the team and they could only operate at the lowest level of training.  So the GTL couldn't lead or organize a line search.

Back to the OP's question:  If he has been signed off on all the SQTR tasks and just needs two sorties to finish his quals, what needs to happen on the sortie to make it count as a GTM1 sortie instead of a GTM3 sortie?

[Eclipse]

Nothing.

A sortie is a sortie in that instance.  This really only defines what you can't do, not what you must.

[Short Field]

A sortie is a sortie in that instance.  This really only defines what you can't do, not what you must.

Totally agree.

[wacapgh]

Back to the OP's question:  If he has been signed off on all the SQTR tasks and just needs two sorties to finish his quals, what needs to happen on the sortie to make it count as a GTM1 sortie instead of a GTM3 sortie?

Show the evaluator that you can perform at the GTM1 level:

CAPR 60-3, 2-3,c "These sorties must be complete sorties and/or operating periods where the member participates in all aspects of their assigned mission specialty."

[lordmonar]

You don't have to show the evaluator anything.....if you have completed all the training before the sorties.

GT1-3 can be taught 100% in the class room and behind the squadron building.

The sotie requirment is to just do the sortie.

If you are a GTM1 trainee and you get called out to do a ramp check......it counts.  Even if you did not have to work with dog teams, organise a search line et al.

[lordmonar]

On this subject.

Why do we even have GTM 2 and GTM 3?

Let's just combine them and have two rateing GTM and GTL.

YMMV.

[Eclipse]

I concur with the above two posts, I think the multi-tiered rating was a misguided attempt at retention n and getting people their badge quicker.

All it has done is confuse people without adding mission advantage.

[jeders]

I concur with the above two posts, I think the multi-tiered rating was a misguided attempt at retention n and getting people their badge quicker.

All it has done is confuse people without adding mission advantage.

This.

Despite the fact that the SQTR would probably be about 3 pages long, I really hope at some point there is a push at higher levels to go back to a single level of GTM and get rid of all this 1,2,3 madness. FW, JC, you listening?

[davidsinn]

I concur with the above two posts, I think the multi-tiered rating was a misguided attempt at retention n and getting people their badge quicker.

All it has done is confuse people without adding mission advantage.

This.

Despite the fact that the SQTR would probably be about 3 pages long, I really hope at some point there is a push at higher levels to go back to a single level of GTM and get rid of all this 1,2,3 madness. FW, JC, you listening?

I think this should happen as well. What I would do is cut a large chunk of the GTM tasks out since a lot of 2 and 3 tasks are doubled on GTL.

[cap235629]

how about just adopting the NASAR skill set?

[Eclipse]

That or pull them from leader.

Most are important, but why they are doubled up is anyone's guess - you can't be a GTL w/o being a GTM.

[RiverAux]

how about just adopting the NASAR skill set?

Except for the rope stuff that we aren't going to use anyway, they are essentially the same.

[lordmonar]

how about just adopting the NASAR skill set?

Except for the rope stuff that we aren't going to use anyway, they are essentially the same.

I would keep the rope things.....it is as useful a skill for someone going into the woods as the map and compass skills.

That is one of the things I do like about the HMRS ranger thing.