Rescue Pilot Patch

[Smokey]

Anyone seen this patch before??

I think with a little photoshop work it could be adopted for us.  Just add AUX after USAF.....


Discuss.

[RiverAux]

wouldn't work for me

[Tubacap]

What are the feet for?

[CASH172]

And why would we want to adopt this same patch?

[AlphaSigOU]

What are the feet for?

The green footprints are the unofficial symbol of USAF Pararescue. They stem from the days of the Vietnam War, when PJs flew on Jolly Green Giant helicopters. When PJs want to leave their mark, the green feet are usually painted on the ramp, sidewalk, etc.

Personally, I'd nix that patch, as it bears too much of a resemblance to the PJ beret emblem. I know, I know, then why are we using a variation of the PJ emblem for the PJOC activity patch? 

[mikeylikey]

What are the feet for?

Walking...............

[SJFedor]

I'd be all for making an aircrew patch, perhaps, making it a requirement to have 10 actuals prior to award or something, but saying "rescue pilot" for us is a little much. We're more "search and locate" pilots.

[mikeylikey]

We're more "search and locate" pilots.

Excuse me?!?!  I think you meant SEXY search and locate pilots.......thank you!

[Flying Pig]

No, sorry....that would be a complete plagarism of the Pararescue emblem.  The green foot prints are the symbol of the PJ's as stated above.

Since we are the USAF Aux, we should probably shy away from modeling our patches after their elite rescue units.  And considering the entire backdrop of the emblem is a parachute.......I dont see it working out well, nor are we an organization that operates world wide.

[mikeylikey]

A certain CAP group already stole the "that other may live" phrase.  I bet no one knows where that comes from anyway. 

[KyCAP]

Anderson and his Albatross are part of the 650 men and 45 planes and helicopters of the Third Aerospace Rescue and Recovery Group. Their primary mission: retrieving U.S. airmen shot down over the North. Their motto:

"That Others May Live." Commanded from Saigon's Tan Son Nhut airport, the Third's mercy craft are scattered at radio readiness from Danang to Thailand. Since they set up shop in Viet Nam at the end of 1964, they have rescued, from hostile land and unforgiving sea, 453 Americans—287 this year alone, 31 in the past month. Since the air war began, the Communists have downed 291 U.S. planes. Roughly 80% of the crews manage to eject and parachute away from their doomed aircraft; thanks to the Third, and the Navy's own rescue service, most are soon in U.S. hands. Of 325 who have gone down, 34 U.S. airmen are known to be prisoners in North Viet Nam.


http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,836075,00.html
Time 1966

[Smokey]

I wouldn't say it was plagiarized.  From what I know it is an actual patch belonging to a collector.  I assume it comes from a rescue squadron.  The motto "That others may live" is used by Rescue Squadrons not just PJs. In fact I have a challenge coin and shirt from the 66th Rescue Sq at Nellis AFB that has the motto.  The 66th are the pilots/aircraft that support the PJs of the 58th RQS.

Many folks in the SAR business use variations of the different PJ symbols.  I know of a female capt from AFRCC who was going to get a green footprint tatoo.  She is not a PJ (there are no female PJs).

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What are the feet for?

When PJs want to leave their mark, the green feet are usually painted on the ramp, sidewalk, etc.

Don't forget about the tradition of tattooing of the feet on the buttocks of PJ's.

I really don't like trying to compare what CAP does to the PJ's.  We are nowhere near their level of training or abilities.  We can make up our own stuff and not try to take a piece of their prestige for our own.

As for the saying "that others may live," that's been taken by the entire SAR community.  It's spread far beyond the PJ's or the military.  SAR people for the most part do SAR so "that others may live."  I don't think it's a really bad thing that that saying has spread.  If you think about the whole saying, "These things we do, that others may live," you will think of the difference between us and PJ's or the Coast Guard.  The things we do don't compare to what they do and in that realization we honor what they do and understand we aren't at that level and we show that respect.

[KyCAP]

Smokey...

I wouldn't tell her there are no women PJ's.

http://www.stargate-skywatch.com/pmwiki.php?n=Stargate.RowenaSilverhawk

[Flying Pig]

I wouldn't say it was plagiarized.  From what I know it is an actual patch belonging to a collector.  I assume it comes from a rescue squadron.  The motto "That others may live" is used by Rescue Squadrons not just PJs. In fact I have a challenge coin and shirt from the 66th Rescue Sq at Nellis AFB that has the motto.  The 66th are the pilots/aircraft that support the PJs of the 58th RQS.

Many folks in the SAR business use variations of the different PJ symbols.  I know of a female capt from AFRCC who was going to get a green footprint tatoo.  She is not a PJ (there are no female PJs).

Id say that would be extremely poor taste.  The only people who use the green feet are PJ's that I recall.   

Yes, the motto "That others may live" is used widely in the SAR community, I would think that it would be a bad idea for CAP to adopt that given our Aux relationship with the AF, and our relationship with the ParaRescue community in the way of PJOC.  I think its a little much.  For the most part, the units who use that motto, our missions are nothing like what they perform ie. Coast Guard Rescue Swimmers, etc.

[Smokey]

Side Note...Coastie rescue swimmers have a slightly different motto...it is "So Others May live". 

[JC004]

I'm not really opposed to a SAR pilot patch, but I wouldn't take the AF patch.  Besides, it would conflict with the necessity that it be distinctive. 

[flyguy06]

What are the feet for?

The green footprints are the unofficial symbol of USAF Pararescue. They stem from the days of the Vietnam War, when PJs flew on Jolly Green Giant helicopters. When PJs want to leave their mark, the green feet are usually painted on the ramp, sidewalk, etc.

Personally, I'd nix that patch, as it bears too much of a resemblance to the PJ beret emblem. I know, I know, then why are we using a variation of the PJ emblem for the PJOC activity patch? 

Ok, so if the feet symbolize the PJ's then why is the patch for the pilot? The pilot is not a PJ. He just flies the bird. his feet never touch the ground

[KyCAP]

http://googlesightseeing.com/maps?p=1014&c=&t=k&hl=en&ll=28.938284,47.798633&z=18

PJ's left their mark on base in Kuwait.

[KyCAP]

CAP is mentioned on the pararescue.com Q & A.

http://www.pararescue.com/featurettes/05.asp