IC Badge

[LtCol White]

I will yield on the dates for the wings. The dates are not the point. The point is that  these designs are not just thrown together or stolen. I have seen the same furled wings on many badges and they cant ALL be original. So does that mean they were ALL stolen. Heraldry takes elements from different things and puts them together to symbolize that individual effort or person.

There was a design that involved a laurel wreath close to the GT Badge that was turned down by the group because it was said it "looked like a Christmas Tree Ornament". I know this as well because I submitted that design as well. I am a MO/MS and CD MO/MS and hold the IC's with great regard as well.

On the subject of the DDR Badge design. The concept behind the heads is the same as the Girls Scout which just represents diversity of students. It is the same concept but the image was from a general clipart catalog I have.

Any of the people who have submitted these type of designs spend alot of time doing this. We dont steal anything from other designs. I personally research the intent behind the badge and then start my design from there. If I have used an element of a previous design than it is noted and explained for the people who make the final decision. I do this so that there is no room for misinterpretation of my intent.

As with anything else you cant make everyone happy. I enjoy the work that I do with and for CAP and do a pretty good job at it and it makes me happy.

I think your badges look pretty good. Especially the IC badge. When its made, will it have a color enamel center or will that be silver metal?

[SDF_Specialist]

I will yield on the dates for the wings. The dates are not the point. The point is that  these designs are not just thrown together or stolen. I have seen the same furled wings on many badges and they cant ALL be original. So does that mean they were ALL stolen. Heraldry takes elements from different things and puts them together to symbolize that individual effort or person.

There was a design that involved a laurel wreath close to the GT Badge that was turned down by the group because it was said it "looked like a Christmas Tree Ornament". I know this as well because I submitted that design as well. I am a MO/MS and CD MO/MS and hold the IC's with great regard as well.

On the subject of the DDR Badge design. The concept behind the heads is the same as the Girls Scout which just represents diversity of students. It is the same concept but the image was from a general clipart catalog I have.

Any of the people who have submitted these type of designs spend alot of time doing this. We dont steal anything from other designs. I personally research the intent behind the badge and then start my design from there. If I have used an element of a previous design than it is noted and explained for the people who make the final decision. I do this so that there is no room for misinterpretation of my intent.

As with anything else you cant make everyone happy. I enjoy the work that I do with and for CAP and do a pretty good job at it and it makes me happy.

I think your badges look pretty good. Especially the IC badge. When its made, will it have a color enamel center or will that be silver metal?

I would assume so, but Vanguard has been known to throw curve balls now and again

[LtCol White]

No offense but my question was directed to caphistorian since he is the one who designed the badge

[SDF_Specialist]

No offense but my question was directed to caphistorian since he is the one who designed the badge

My apologies sir. No offense taken unless meant

[James Shaw]

The badge will be all metal it will not have any color. That is as far as I know. Then again Vanguard may change that.

[Trung Si Ma]

Personally, I have no axe to grind on any of the badges that you've designed.  There was bound to be "A" badge for IC's, and your design is as good as any that I saw.  An all metal badge the size of the novice parachutist badge is just about right to say "I'm qualified" without saying "HEY! LOOK AT ME!"

[Al Sayre]

Here is my $.02 fwiw.  If you think of the furled wings as belonging to those who fly but do their main operations on the ground.  Then they are also fitting for the IC who must be either a Mission Pilot or Observer, but performs his primary operational function on the ground, leading the mission.

[O-Rex]

Here is my $.02 fwiw.  If you think of the furled wings as belonging to those who fly but do their main operations on the ground.  Then they are also fitting for the IC who must be either a Mission Pilot or Observer, but performs his primary operational function on the ground, leading the mission.

If you are saying that in order to be an IC, you must have been (at one time) an MP or MO, then you're right on the money, because you do: check the prerequisite sqtr's, can't remember if it was Ops or Planning Section Chief, but it was in there.

[SJFedor]

Here is my $.02 fwiw.  If you think of the furled wings as belonging to those who fly but do their main operations on the ground.  Then they are also fitting for the IC who must be either a Mission Pilot or Observer, but performs his primary operational function on the ground, leading the mission.

If you are saying that in order to be an IC, you must have been (at one time) an MP or MO, then you're right on the money, because you do: check the prerequisite sqtr's, can't remember if it was Ops or Planning Section Chief, but it was in there.

Kinda sorta, not MP/MO, just MS.


Those who do PSC on the basis of AOBD qualification must have, at one time, been qual'ed as a GTM3 or UDF member. Those doing it on the basis of GBD qualifications must have, at one time, been qual'ed as an MS.

[O-Rex]

It's a pretty nifty-looking badge.  Hope they don't do it up in full-color: I'm not a big fan of enameled badges-they're gaudy.

Basic Badge is IC3, senior is IC2, and master IC1, right?

[Hill CAP]

The reason no one has seen the DDR Badge yet is the first run that VG Did the badge was to large and the colors where off.

No word on when the corrected version will be released.

[Pylon]

I'm not a big fan of enameled badges-they're gaudy.

Maybe recent attempts at enameled badges, but back in the day, they could be absolutely stunning:

[cnitas]

Enamel (when done right) is a good thing:
http://www.marksmedals.com/romanian_medals_files/order_of_the_crown.html

[O-Rex]

Wow, tough crowd......

Please let me clarify: CAP enameled badges are gaudy.  However, the new IT badge is kind of cool-the designer was my old Group Commander.

Most enameled awards (i.e., medals) are nice: ever seen the U.S. Legion of Merit that is awarded to Foreign VIP's? (incidentally, it's the only U.S medal that is awarded to different "classes" of recipients, but Americans get the standard award.)

The coolest enameled foreign award is the British Order of St. George, which if I recall the pendant was actually an enameled "action figure" of St. George slaying a dragon on a pendant ( ! )  I saw it in an old picture book my old man had of medals and awards when I was a kid.

If any of you "Googlesters" can find it, please post.

Back to the IC badge:  I'm sure it will get curious stares from RM-types: "What the heck is that?"

[Pylon]

Enamel (when done right) is a good thing:
http://www.marksmedals.com/romanian_medals_files/order_of_the_crown.html

That's a gorgeous medal!

[Pylon]

Wow, tough crowd......

Please let me clarify: CAP enameled badges are gaudy.  However, the new IT badge is kind of cool-the designer was my old Group Commander.

We're just joking.  I am well aware that most CAP badges involving enamel (and pretty much all CAP medals) are fairly busted looking.  I was just pointing out that, as a rule, enamel ≠ bad.  (But on specialty badges?  Probably.  In CAP?  Especially!  )

The coolest enameled foreign award is the British Order of St. George, which if I recall the pendant was actually an enameled "action figure" of St. George slaying a dragon on a pendant ( ! )  I saw it in an old picture book my old man had of medals and awards when I was a kid.

England and GB has some awesome medal designs, as well.  I think you're speaking of the Companion Grade of The Most Distinguished Order of St Michael & St George (which is a pretty cool medal):

[O-Rex]

There's different levels of the St. George Award:  Knights of the order wore a pendant on a chain.

Perhaps this has changed: I saw this book when I was a kid (early 70's) and even then, the book was old.

A cool one is the order of the Garter: the ceremonial award of which is an actual garter (styled after those used in the 1500's) worn strapped to the arm, with the inscription "honi soit qui mal y pense" (evil to him who thinks evil.)  This is the "flagship" order in Britain, of which the Queen is a member.

The origin was from a British Royal Ball, in which a garter was found on the ballroom floor (this would be the equivalent of finding a pair or panties or bra today) folks laughed, and one knight picked it up, tied it to his arm, and made the above quote, so the story goes...

[AlphaSigOU]

A cool one is the order of the Garter: the ceremonial award of which is an actual garter (styled after those used in the 1500's) worn strapped to the arm, with the inscription "honi soit qui mal y pense" (evil to him who thinks evil.)  This is the "flagship" order in Britain, of which the Queen is a member.

The accepted translation is 'shamed be he who thinks evil of it'

Our favorite fictional British secret agent, James Bond is a Companion of the Order of St. Michael and St. George. At the end of Ian Fleming's The Man With The Golden Gun (the book, not the movie) he's offered a knighthood by making him a Knight Companion of the Order of St. Michael and St. George (or in the quaint phonetic spelling of the telegram from M, 'adding a 'Katie' to his Charlie Mike George'. Bond turns down M's offer.

[mdickinson]

The metal IC badges and DDR badge are now available on the Vanguard web site.  It appears the cloth versions of the IC badge are not available yet.

http://www.vanguardmil.com/store/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=6_390_412_413&items_per_page=40&sort=20a&page=2


Not sure what happened to the IT badges...

[afgeo4]

oh great... another badge with silly little stars that never get pinned on right and break off very quickly.