IC Badge

[SDF_Specialist]

Rumor has it that there's now an Incident Commander badge out. Has anyone seen this? I've contacted Vanguard to see if they have it, but I've gotten no response. Also, has anyone seen the IT badge?

[AlphaSigOU]

Both have been authorized, but don't hold yer breath waiting for Vanguard to ramp up production.

[SDF_Specialist]

Vanguard seems to be responsible for a lot of deaths these days. I mean, with everyone holding their breath and all. You would think that before the release of the statement that there are badges, they would have started a mass production rather than having a hugh back log of these. Then again, what do I know about business management.

[arajca]

Not only have I seen the IT basic, I have one. 

[James Shaw]

I have attached the design for the new IC badge. It was approved by the NB in April in Washington. Before anyone gets upset about the wings they were formatted after the Glider Style not the Air Assault. The wings curled means they are ready at a moments notice. I have also included the DDR design that they are supposed to be making. Havent received word on their production.

[James]

can anyone post a picture?

[James Shaw]

can anyone post a picture?

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[SDF_Specialist]

I have attached the design for the new IC badge. It was approved by the NB in April in Washington. Before anyone gets upset about the wings they were formatted after the Glider Style not the Air Assault. The wings curled means they are ready at a moments notice. I have also included the DDR design that they are supposed to be making. Havent received word on their production.

Man, those are nice! Now I wonder who will train as IC just to get one?

[Hawk200]

I have attached the design for the new IC badge. It was approved by the NB in April in Washington. Before anyone gets upset about the wings they were formatted after the Glider Style not the Air Assault. The wings curled means they are ready at a moments notice. I have also included the DDR design that they are supposed to be making. Havent received word on their production.

Man, those are nice! Now I wonder who will train as IC just to get one?

Planning on training for IC anyway, but it would be a cool badge to have. Especially under a set of wings.

[DHollywood]

Its not air assault wings they stole, its Army Jump Wings they stole.

Why couldn't they just use the same format they used for GT and EMT - worked for them....

The first person that confuses my jump wings with that POS is gonna get an earful for sure   .....

I have the highest regard for IC's and know the hoops and hurdles they must get through to become an IC.  So give them an original skill badge that reflects the job instead of modified parachute wings....

Some Leg somewhere came up with this one....

[Hawk200]

Its not air assault wings they stole, its Army Jump Wings they stole.

Why couldn't they just use the same format they used for GT and EMT - worked for them....

The first person that confuses my jump wings with that POS is gonna get an earful for sure   .....

I have the highest regard for IC's and know the hoops and hurdles they must get through to become an IC.  So give them an original skill badge that reflects the job instead of modified parachute wings....

Some Leg somewhere came up with this one....

They started working using a glider badge as it is no longer awarded. The furled wings are virtually identical. Even a lot of the US military has badges that were copied from other countries designs, or else revamped outdated designs.

I doubt that many people will confuse your jump wings with it anyway. One has a disc in the middle, the other has a shroud and lines. Pretty obvious difference, unless the person is extremely ignorant of military insignia. Which happens on occasion, but most of the people we deal with really don't care about our badges and wings.

[James Shaw]

Its not air assault wings they stole, its Army Jump Wings they stole.

The first person that confuses my jump wings with that POS is gonna get an earful for sure   .....

I have the highest regard for IC's and know the hoops and hurdles they must get through to become an IC.  So give them an original skill badge that reflects the job instead of modified parachute wings....

Some Leg somewhere came up with this one....

Check your history first DHollywood this style was used for the WWII Glider Pilots before they were used for the Army Jump Wings.  Just because they were also used for the jump wings doesnt mean they cant be used somewhere else. They were chosen because of their historical significance I should know I designed them. This is not as you put it a "POS" and I seriously doubt anyone would get the two confused. These designs are not just thrown together they are researched and submitted and have to be approved. Then they have to go though the Air Force for final approval.

I applaud you for the service but that doesnt mean you should bash the work of others and get personal.

[Pylon]

I still don't get the use of the curled wings.  Even if they were used in WWII glider wings, those wings still represented a flight activity.  Air Assault and jump wings both represent flight activities. 

Every non-flight activity badge I have ever seen uses the wreath of laurel and it's been just fine.  I think that nobody is going to see the furled wings and mentally associate that with "always ready" - I think they're going to ask if they fly or jump or participate in some other flight-related duty or activity.

The wreath of laurel works for CAP's other badges... Legal... EMT... Ground Team...  and works for practically all of the USAF's AFSC badges (that don't involve flight)... and works for some Army non-flight-related badges (like EOD, Combat Medic, etc.). 

The furled feathers, however, I have not yet seen in use on any badge that didn't some how involve flight or moving through the air.

Just my honest and candid opinion.  I know they're approved and it's a done deal, so I guess it's a little late anyways.


One question on the DDR badge.  Was it intentional for the "faces" to mimick the Girls Scouts logo?

[SDF_Specialist]

If Air Ops has to report to the IC, isn't that a flight activity? I applaud the design of the IC badge. It has everything that distinguishes CAP, and should never be confused with other branches just because it resembles another badge. That is, as long as the accuser is paying attention to the detail.

[Trung Si Ma]

Check your history first DHollywood this style was used for the WWII Glider Pilots before they were used for the Army Jump Wings. 

Sir,

Jump wings came first.

US Army jump wings authorized on 10 Mar 41 (http://www.qmfound.com/parachute_badge.htm) , the Army glider badge was authorized on 2 Jun 44 (http://www.qmmuseum.lee.army.mil/airborne/glider_badge.htm), and the Air Assault Badge was authorized for Army wide wear in 1978 (prior to this it was a 101st only badge that you could not (legally) wear anywhere outside of the 101st).

Don
Master Para Badge
Air Assault Badge

[MIKE]

And let me reiterate that the Glider Badge was for glider borne troops... Not glider pilots, which got wings with a "G" on them.

[Major Carrales]

Many people associate IC with ground team work, but it is really ground team and flight ops.

The New IC device might best be serivced by the "laruels," but I think there was no way to express both Gound and Air resources short of making some reference to "ADMINISTRATION" type insignia.

[DHollywood]

Its not air assault wings they stole, its Army Jump Wings they stole.

The first person that confuses my jump wings with that POS is gonna get an earful for sure   .....

I have the highest regard for IC's and know the hoops and hurdles they must get through to become an IC.  So give them an original skill badge that reflects the job instead of modified parachute wings....

Some Leg somewhere came up with this one....

Check your history first DHollywood this style was used for the WWII Glider Pilots before they were used for the Army Jump Wings.  Just because they were also used for the jump wings doesnt mean they cant be used somewhere else. They were chosen because of their historical significance I should know I designed them. This is not as you put it a "POS" and I seriously doubt anyone would get the two confused. These designs are not just thrown together they are researched and submitted and have to be approved. Then they have to go though the Air Force for final approval.

I applaud you for the service but that doesnt mean you should bash the work of others and get personal.

As was pointed out to you already, your history is incorrect and jump wings came first - and glider wings ARE jump wings - those brave soldiers were above all else Paratroopers.  My grandfather was one.

Bashing the work of others?  You basically COPIED a previously existing design with a small modification.  You copied an insignia that already has great meaning to soldiers past, present and future.

The GT badge at least has some original design to it.  You could just as easily slapped that little circle design on top of a GT badge and it would have been just fine.

Besides, we all know the real badge of an IC is Master Pilot OR Observer wings worn together with Master GT badge below the wings.  



IMHAO

No offense to your efforts sir.

[Major Carrales]

Besides, we all know the real badge of an IC is Master Pilot OR Observer wings worn together with Master GT badge below the wings. 

I am slackjawed, what you have said, Sir, speaks of such logic...I doubt it will be anything but misunderstood here.

Kudos...that is the most truthful thing I have read here in a long time.

[James Shaw]

I will yield on the dates for the wings. The dates are not the point. The point is that  these designs are not just thrown together or stolen. I have seen the same furled wings on many badges and they cant ALL be original. So does that mean they were ALL stolen. Heraldry takes elements from different things and puts them together to symbolize that individual effort or person.

There was a design that involved a laurel wreath close to the GT Badge that was turned down by the group because it was said it "looked like a Christmas Tree Ornament". I know this as well because I submitted that design as well. I am a MO/MS and CD MO/MS and hold the IC's with great regard as well.

On the subject of the DDR Badge design. The concept behind the heads is the same as the Girls Scout which just represents diversity of students. It is the same concept but the image was from a general clipart catalog I have.

Any of the people who have submitted these type of designs spend alot of time doing this. We dont steal anything from other designs. I personally research the intent behind the badge and then start my design from there. If I have used an element of a previous design than it is noted and explained for the people who make the final decision. I do this so that there is no room for misinterpretation of my intent.

As with anything else you cant make everyone happy. I enjoy the work that I do with and for CAP and do a pretty good job at it and it makes me happy.