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Mordecai
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« on: October 04, 2017, 06:10:49 AM »

I'm asking because if so I'm probably going to align with another org that isn't. Not dropping out of CAP per se, but I don't intend to train for the purpose of never deploying.
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isuhawkeye
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« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2017, 08:19:43 AM »

What type 1 definition are you referring to?
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Eclipse
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« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2017, 08:52:55 AM »

When was CAP ever in the "Type 1 GSAR game".

Ground team, in the same form it's always existed, continues to be an active rating and
part of ES , however whether or not a wing is active in real-world situations is, for the most part,
a product of local relationships and abilities.
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lordmonar
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« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2017, 12:38:14 PM »

We were never Wilderness SAR TYPE I.

Type I Wilderness SAR resources Require low angle rescue skills (which we genraly don't teach....Hawk Mountain does but let's not go there.).
Type I require "At least 6 team leaders and 48 team members to support at least 6 operational field units (at least 1 member of each team must be a medical specialist see below)
Management staff following ICS model"  Maybe a wing can put together a 54 member team plus support staff.....but I don't think I've ever seen it.   Not to mention that we don't do "medical specialists" (see my remark about Hawk Mountain).
Type I requires each team to have "4x4 vehicles that can transport each team throughout or to the search area." And while CAP does have some 4X4's certainly not enough to outfit a lot of Type I resources.

So....yes CAP is out of the Type I Wilderness SAR game.  We never played and I don't see us playing anytime soon.

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Mordecai
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« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2017, 04:49:15 PM »

More to the point I seem to recall we had sent ground teams for Katrina but from what I've seen we haven't sent a single one in this trifecta of hurricanes.

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RiverAux
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« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2017, 06:21:35 PM »

What are you asking about?  Ground Search and Rescue, which the original post implied, or just general ground teams that might be handing out water bottles?

If you're not doing ground SAR for missing persons locally, then someone in your squadron needs to start interacting with your local sheriff or whoever runs local SAR and letting them know that you can help. 

If you want to do ground team work in disasters, CAP ain't for you.  We don't have any national doctrine on what, if anything, CAP ground teams can and/or should be doing after a major disaster. 
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Cicero
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« Reply #6 on: October 04, 2017, 06:32:35 PM »

More to the point I seem to recall we had sent ground teams for Katrina but from what I've seen we haven't sent a single one in this trifecta of hurricanes.

http://www.abc2news.com/news/state/maryland-civil-air-crews-bound-for-puerto-rico
https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/all-news/2017/october/03/ga-airfield-playing-crucial-role-in-puerto-rico
http://qns.com/story/2017/10/04/hurricane-maria-relief-donate-supplies-puerto-rico-whitestone-weekend/
https://www.baptiststandard.com/news/baptists/southern-baptists-receive-green-light-relief-puerto-rico/

Q.E.D.
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