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Jester
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« Reply #20 on: September 14, 2017, 01:12:17 PM »

I'm all-in on the current SECAF/CSAF/CMSAF team.  I definitely never really had a "good" one while I was in.
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kwe1009
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« Reply #21 on: September 14, 2017, 04:54:02 PM »



If it's the one I'm thinking of, he was a prime example of all the wrongs with the SAC-itude....

Pfingston of course
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« Reply #22 on: September 14, 2017, 04:58:13 PM »



If it's the one I'm thinking of, he was a prime example of all the wrongs with the SAC-itude....

Pfingston of course

Yep. That's all I got to say....
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« Reply #23 on: September 15, 2017, 06:42:35 AM »

I asked on another forum about why, when Gen. Fogelman reversed most of what Gen. McPeak had done to the uniform, they didn't just go back to the "Tony Nelson" coat.  The reply I got was that Fogelman didn't want all the money McPeak had spent on the new uniforms wasted, so they came up with the retrofit idea of putting epaulets back on the service coat, slowly returning cutouts to the lapels, etc.

My own preference would, of course, be going back to the Tony Nelson coat, in current shade and with the shiny insignia.

The "Hap Arnold Heritage" design works if you look good with a belt around your jacket, which I don't.

Jack
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Jester
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« Reply #24 on: September 15, 2017, 07:56:31 AM »

I never liked the big Elvis collar or belt on the test Arnold coat.
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kwe1009
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« Reply #25 on: September 15, 2017, 10:53:09 AM »

I asked on another forum about why, when Gen. Fogelman reversed most of what Gen. McPeak had done to the uniform, they didn't just go back to the "Tony Nelson" coat.  The reply I got was that Fogelman didn't want all the money McPeak had spent on the new uniforms wasted, so they came up with the retrofit idea of putting epaulets back on the service coat, slowly returning cutouts to the lapels, etc.

My own preference would, of course, be going back to the Tony Nelson coat, in current shade and with the shiny insignia.

The "Hap Arnold Heritage" design works if you look good with a belt around your jacket, which I don't.

Jack

That is what happened.  Fogelman hated the McPeak uniform and wore BDUs, even when DVs, like McPeak, would visit.  It would make McPeak mad.
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Майор Хаткевич
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« Reply #26 on: September 15, 2017, 11:57:32 AM »

I find it interesting that the Hap Arnold Heritage (with narrower collar) was canned, but generals get to turn band uniforms into "command ceremonial"



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« Reply #27 on: September 16, 2017, 01:36:56 AM »

I find it interesting that the Hap Arnold Heritage (with narrower collar) was canned, but generals get to turn band uniforms into "command ceremonial"





"Generals" don't. Your first Exemplar photo shows the General who was in charge of the research and testing for both the Mitchell and Arnold heritage uniforms.

The other uniforms depicted are restricted to use by the USAF Chief of Staff and the Chief Master Sergeant of the Air Force.

Nothing to see here. No generals running rampant.


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« Reply #28 on: September 16, 2017, 02:33:47 PM »

 The Air Force seems to change uniforms every 10 years
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« Reply #29 on: September 16, 2017, 05:26:24 PM »

The Air Force seems to change uniforms every 10 years

It's been more then 10 years since the last major uniform change (ABU's).
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« Reply #30 on: September 16, 2017, 05:59:29 PM »

Honestly, I prefer the old style service jacket I still wear as a cadet. The new one looks more "businessman" than military IMHO. USAFA has a nice cadet service coat similar to the old style as well.
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« Reply #31 on: September 16, 2017, 06:49:28 PM »

Honestly, I prefer the old style service jacket I still wear as a cadet. The new one looks more "businessman" than military IMHO. USAFA has a nice cadet service coat similar to the old style as well.

That jacket has to be 15 years old or older. How well does it match your pants? They are supposed to match.
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« Reply #32 on: September 17, 2017, 09:29:38 AM »

Flag officers have a wide latitude to wear distinctive uniform combinations reserved exclusively for them. For the Air Force, this includes the following:


Hap Arnold wing and star roller belt buckle
Army officer lightweight jacket in AF blue with embroidered name and wings
Air Force general officer pistol and ceremonial pistol belt
Band weenie ceremonial dress


General officers have their own "private tailor shop" at Wright-Patterson AFB, where short-run uniform wear tests are made. Some MCSS stores at bases with a heavy GO population will include GO bus driver and bucket hats (for the females), though females can now wear the male service and flight caps.


Generals (and sometimes their staffs) will wear-test uniform proposals before rolling out to an extended wear test or all-service use.
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Майор Хаткевич
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« Reply #33 on: September 18, 2017, 11:12:07 AM »

Honestly, I prefer the old style service jacket I still wear as a cadet. The new one looks more "businessman" than military IMHO. USAFA has a nice cadet service coat similar to the old style as well.

That jacket has to be 15 years old or older. How well does it match your pants? They are supposed to match.


You and I both know that they don't match in 99% of the cases. I had a hard time matching pants to my old style coat 10 years ago, when that uniform combo was already pretty much 15 years out of date.


But hey, when do we get to call the "new style" the current style, and the "old style" the vintage style? We're just a few years away from it being 25+ years old. 1994 wasn't it?
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« Reply #34 on: September 18, 2017, 11:55:32 AM »

Honestly, I prefer the old style service jacket I still wear as a cadet. The new one looks more "businessman" than military IMHO. USAFA has a nice cadet service coat similar to the old style as well.

That jacket has to be 15 years old or older. How well does it match your pants? They are supposed to match.


You and I both know that they don't match in 99% of the cases. I had a hard time matching pants to my old style coat 10 years ago, when that uniform combo was already pretty much 15 years out of date.


But hey, when do we get to call the "new style" the current style, and the "old style" the vintage style? We're just a few years away from it being 25+ years old. 1994 wasn't it?
How 'bout we just phase out the old style?
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jeders
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« Reply #35 on: September 18, 2017, 11:59:22 AM »

How 'bout we just phase out the old style?

As much as I prefer the old style from an aesthetic point of view, I have to agree 100% with this. Let's get rid of it and move on.
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