OBC ends Polo Debate

[Camas]

Since the polo does not carry rank.......a salute is not required.

If you're speaking of the senior officer wouldn't a junior officer in a military-style uniform still salute a senior in a golf-shirt uniform? Just asking.

From CAPP151 Page 6 - - - "When in uniform salute officers upon recognition, regardless of what the officer is wearing."

[jeders]

While they don't have grade insignia, they frequently have it spelled out over the pocket.  Something like LtCol Joe Blow just below the pilot wings...  So based on the fact that you would recognize the rank if you can read, it would be a salutable uniform, so the correct answer would be B,C, or D...

I have never seen rank on the polo. The customization field on Vanguard's website is for position/insignia and first and last name, no rank.

[lordmonar]

While they don't have grade insignia, they frequently have it spelled out over the pocket.  Something like LtCol Joe Blow just below the pilot wings...  So based on the fact that you would recognize the rank if you can read, it would be a salutable uniform, so the correct answer would be B,C, or D...

I have never seen rank on the polo. The customization field on Vanguard's website is for position/insignia and first and last name, no rank.

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[The CyBorg is destroyed]

While they don't have grade insignia, they frequently have it spelled out over the pocket.  Something like LtCol Joe Blow just below the pilot wings...  So based on the fact that you would recognize the rank if you can read, it would be a salutable uniform, so the correct answer would be B,C, or D...

I have never seen rank on the polo. The customization field on Vanguard's website is for position/insignia and first and last name, no rank.

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+2.

Unless I know the wearer personally, I have no idea if the member wearing the polo shirt is an SMWOG or Colonel.

[Al Sayre]

Not everyone has purchased them from Vanguard or had them customized there.  There used to be other vendors...

[jeders]

Not everyone has purchased them from Vanguard or had them customized there.  There used to be other vendors...

That doesn't change the rules though.

NOTES: There are three knit shirts authorized for wear for men and women. They are:
1. Dark blue knit shirt with embroidered CAP seal on the right breast and embroidered name and
aeronautical rating or specialty badge on the left breast.
2. Dark blue knit shirt with embroidered seal on the right breast, without the name or rating on left
breast.
3. Dark blue knit shirt with the CAP seal screen-printed in white lettering on left breast.

You will notice that rank is not listed as something which goes on the golf shirt. In other words, if they have rank on the shirt in any way, they are doing it wrong.

[Cool Mace]

Not everyone has purchased them from Vanguard or had them customized there.  There used to be other vendors...

That doesn't change the rules though.

NOTES: There are three knit shirts authorized for wear for men and women. They are:
1. Dark blue knit shirt with embroidered CAP seal on the right breast and embroidered name and
aeronautical rating or specialty badge on the left breast.
2. Dark blue knit shirt with embroidered seal on the right breast, without the name or rating on left
breast.
3. Dark blue knit shirt with the CAP seal screen-printed in white lettering on left breast.

You will notice that rank is not listed as something which goes on the golf shirt. In other words, if they have rank on the shirt in any way, they are doing it wrong.

I may be mistaken. But I believe that came out a little later when someone tried to get a polo on their own, and send it to Vanguard (or something along those lines) to save money.

I know members who have rank and different color buttons then what is now prescribed.

[bflynn]

I believe all that Eclipse is saying is that someone can be saluted in anything.  I could be wearing a bathing suit, but if someone knows me, then what I'm wearing can be saluted. 

Rather than disagree, perhaps we should try for understanding.

I think technically, you salute the person, never the uniform but that's an entirely different topic.  No uniform is salutable.

[PHall]

Not everyone has purchased them from Vanguard or had them customized there.  There used to be other vendors...

That doesn't change the rules though.

NOTES: There are three knit shirts authorized for wear for men and women. They are:
1. Dark blue knit shirt with embroidered CAP seal on the right breast and embroidered name and
aeronautical rating or specialty badge on the left breast.
2. Dark blue knit shirt with embroidered seal on the right breast, without the name or rating on left
breast.
3. Dark blue knit shirt with the CAP seal screen-printed in white lettering on left breast.

You will notice that rank is not listed as something which goes on the golf shirt. In other words, if they have rank on the shirt in any way, they are doing it wrong.

I may be mistaken. But I believe that came out a little later when someone tried to get a polo on their own, and send it to Vanguard (or something along those lines) to save money.

I know members who have rank and different color buttons then what is now prescribed.

I believe you're thinking of the folks who brought polo shirts in sizes that Vanguard does not stock and who sent them to Vanguard to the the embroidery applied.
Vanguard has said in the past that they will do the embroidery on a shirt you supply if they don't stock your size.

[Private Investigator]

Where does it say you can't wear the polo flying on missions?

I was under the ideal you had to wear nomex flight suit and leather boots on missions.

But I guess if I get a call at midnight for an actual mission launch at dawn I can show up in a polo shirt, shorts and deck shoes. Thanks Bill I guess I have been doing it wrong.

[Eclipse]

Where does it say you can't wear the polo flying on missions?

I was under the ideal you had to wear nomex flight suit and leather boots on missions.

Not by any national regulations.  Some wings have or had supplements to that effect.

[JeffDG]

Where does it say you can't wear the polo flying on missions?

I was under the ideal you had to wear nomex flight suit and leather boots on missions.

Only in one state that I'm aware of.

[Private Investigator]

You can wear it while flying, so B.

Yes and no. If you are flying as part of the CAP "flying club" yes. If you are on an actual mission, no.

Oh really you say. So the fact that it is required to wear on certain actual missions means nothing I guess.

I stand corrected for the 5% who do CD missions. But on a national level the majority of missions is SAR.

[Private Investigator]

Where does it say you can't wear the polo flying on missions?

I was under the ideal you had to wear nomex flight suit and leather boots on missions.

Only in one state that I'm aware of.

Jeff, all the press releases I see nationally it appears everyone has nomex flight suits on.

[JeffDG]

Where does it say you can't wear the polo flying on missions?

I was under the ideal you had to wear nomex flight suit and leather boots on missions.

Only in one state that I'm aware of.

Jeff, all the press releases I see nationally it appears everyone has nomex flight suits on.

Here's one from the AOPA article on the Gulf Oil response:


Only 2 of 3 in polos.

[umpirecali]

I believe all that Eclipse is saying is that someone can be saluted in anything.  I could be wearing a bathing suit, but if someone knows me, then what I'm wearing can be saluted. 

Rather than disagree, perhaps we should try for understanding.

I think technically, you salute the person, never the uniform but that's an entirely different topic.  No uniform is salutable.

Right, I am also taking the OBC right now and am in block 2. It said that if you see a senior officer that you should salute them even if they are in civvies. I think the question in the OP meant to say "you not salute while wearing the polo uniform" instead of "is not a saluteable uniform"

[Eclipse]

Right, I am also taking the OBC right now and am in block 2. It said that if you see a senior officer that you should salute them even if they are in civvies. I think the question in the OP meant to say "you not salute while wearing the polo uniform" instead of "is not a saluteable uniform"

Neither would be correct.

[Eclipse]

I stand corrected for the 5% who do CD missions. But on a national level the majority of missions is SAR.

Actually, on a national level most of the missions are probably not "SAR", they are proficiency flying and O-rides.
SAR probably accounts for about 1/2 the flying.

Jeff, all the press releases I see nationally it appears everyone has nomex flight suits on.

I'd say it's maybe 50/50, but it's not by a long shot "most".

But I guess if I get a call at midnight for an actual mission launch at dawn I can show up in a polo shirt, shorts and deck shoes. Thanks Bill I guess I have been doing it wrong.

What does that even mean?  The requirement, absent a localized supplement, is that you be in an approved uniform - that could literally be anything
from the golf shirt to mess dress.

There is no requirement or prescription for a specific uniform.

[umpirecali]

Right, I am also taking the OBC right now and am in block 2. It said that if you see a senior officer that you should salute them even if they are in civvies. I think the question in the OP meant to say "you not salute while wearing the polo uniform" instead of "is not a saluteable uniform"

Neither would be correct.

Explain yourself...

I made two points
A) you should salute senior grades that are not in uniform
B) you do not salute while wearing polo uniform

Both of those statements are correct

[Eclipse]

B) you do not salute while wearing polo uniform

Incorrect.