New ES Patch --need help posting the picture

zonaman · July 12, 2011, 10:43:29 AM

Hello everyone it's been awhile since I've been on CAP Talk. I started a similar topic awhile back and have not been able to use my computer since.

At that time a couple people offered to help me post the picture via email (I'm still to new to do so). I am hoping someone might help me again.

I'm really intrested in what everyone has to say about this redesign of the ES patch.

Thank you!!

Eclipse · July 12, 2011, 01:06:11 PM

Post the image somewhere like Imageshack or similar, then post the link here using the I mg tags.

afgeo4 · July 12, 2011, 05:11:17 PM

What new ES patch?

Eclipse · July 12, 2011, 05:19:57 PM

Self-initiated redesign by Mr. zonaman, apparently.

zonaman · July 12, 2011, 11:09:13 PM

Here it is. . . thanks Eclipse.

[image removed]

The red border is for lives that have been saved.
The flaming sword represents the strength and integrity of CAP.
The wings represent CAP pilots.
The blue around the wings represents the sky.
The black backround represents lives lost.
The green banner represents land the ground team has searshed.

zonaman · July 12, 2011, 11:23:06 PM

Tell me what you guys think.

lordmonar · July 12, 2011, 11:27:54 PM

Why the subdued colors?

What does the Sword and Flames have to do with Emergency Services?

Why USAF-AUX-ES.....why not just EMERGENCY SERVICES and put CAP somewhere inside the logo?

Finally....why?

Not that I like the Pluto Patch all that much....do we really need to change it? I currently were mine...but I am not going to wear it on my next uniform. I would not be against a move to just eliminate it all together.

RiverAux · July 13, 2011, 12:07:40 AM

Kind of ugly in general and I doubt the blue borders along the edge of the wings and sword would show up well on an actual patch.
The USAF-Aux thing won't fly (so to speak).

Eclipse · July 13, 2011, 01:07:47 AM

Inappropriate use of colors.

Inappropriate shape for an ES patch.

In appropriate use of the sword (we are non-combatant, especially in ES).

USAF Aux has already been removed from other CAP insignia.

I give you props for shaping the scroll...

Hawk200 · July 13, 2011, 01:42:28 AM

Don't like it. Too many elements that aren't related to us. And I seriously doubt the mostly subdued colors would fly either.

I think our current ES patch is just fine, just wish it were a tad bit smaller. It's a homage to the original, and I like the original.

zonaman · July 13, 2011, 02:18:49 AM

You all brought up good points.

Thanks everyone. That's why wanted your input.

zonaman · July 13, 2011, 02:53:51 AM

I hope this is fits for CAP. I tried to incorporate all the comments.

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Eclipse · July 13, 2011, 02:56:52 AM

I'll ask since I'm handy.

What's the intention for this?

zonaman · July 13, 2011, 03:17:05 AM

I'm hoping to eventually get it sent it to national, not to replace the the ES patch, but to at least be an option.

It wont bother me if this patch never makes it, but it would be nice to have more of a modern patch option.
If someone other than myself gets their patch approved, all power to them.

I just wanted the opinions of everyone on CAP Talk before I send it up the chain.

Hawk200 · July 13, 2011, 03:22:42 AM

Honestly, I don't see the point. It's great that you are taking initiative on something, but I don't think this is something really worth pursuing. It doesn't really do anything for us.

Eclipse · July 13, 2011, 03:30:01 AM

In that format it is doomed - shields are for HQ units, not qualifications.

Further, you should know that the ES patch is not universally loved, and a lot of us would like to see it retired completely, so if
a change were made, it is more likely it goes away than adds another option.

The patches harken back to a time when there were no ES badges for GT members, and I think the majority of us would prefer
that a general ES specialty badge were created for those non-operational ES specialties, and lose the T-34 and SARDog.

zonaman · July 13, 2011, 03:45:34 AM

I get it. I didn't realize it was on the verge of being discontinued (or should be).

I keep hearing from people, and reading posts that not a lot of people like the "snoopy patch".
So I thought I would take the initiative by designing a newer, more modern patch that most people would like to wear on their uniform.

Also I didn't realize that about the shield patch. Should this ever happen, the patch needs to be the circle design with or with out rockers? or is there some other design I don't know about.

Eclipse · July 13, 2011, 04:18:41 AM

It's Pluto, BTW, if anything.

A disc would be more appropriate than a shield, but considering this is not a unit insignia, I'm not sure where this would fall in the heraldry guidelines.
Here's some resources:
http://www.usafpatches.com/pubs/afheraldryguide.pdf

http://www.afhra.af.mil/organizationalrecords/guide.asp

cap235629 · July 13, 2011, 04:21:51 AM

why not just make an ES version of the Communications patch and wear it in the same place (left pocket of BDU)

zonaman · July 13, 2011, 04:42:29 AM

Quote from: cap235629 on July 13, 2011, 04:21:51 AM
why not just make an ES version of the Communications patch and wear it in the same place (left pocket of BDU)

In that format it is doomed - shields are for HQ units, not qualifications

I don't get it. Isn't the commutations patch a shield? . or maybe this is another 39-1 blackhole mystery.

Otherwise that's not a bad idea except that you would have to choose one or the other insted of being able to wear both. I still like the idea.