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 on: Today at 09:19:30 PM 
Started by therealfirstsergeant - Last post by SarDragon
Thank you, Colonel.

I think that about covers the tower fly-by.

Click.

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 on: Today at 09:01:34 PM 
Started by CAPSOC_0pur8ur - Last post by SarDragon
I guess what's surprising to me is that even with issues like the fake ABU's and other poor quality uniform items, another company hasn't been able to earn the contract yet  :-\

Did you not read Ned's response all the way through?

To restate an important point, emphasis mine:
Quote from: Ned
[Vanguard was] granted a license by CAP to produce those items which are exclusively CAP property - things like our unique insignia and other items that are reserved to the corporation by law.  The license does NOT cover things like uniform clothing items, which members are free to purchase at AAFES, military clothing sales, or eBay.

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 on: Today at 08:51:07 PM 
Started by therealfirstsergeant - Last post by FW
Glad to see CAPtalk still handles opinions that differ from their groupthink well. Can't imagine a world where everyone thinks for themselves.

What OP is trying to assert is that a ranger tab shows that this person at a bare minimum has had some field experience. There's no way to know whether someone with GTM3 on their 101 Card has actually demonstrated capability on the tasks needed, or if their SQTR was signed off because they happened to be found in a room that had a ground team class going on. Having graduated HMRS at least guarantees that they have participated in something resembling CAP field ops.

Yes, regulations require task demonstration, but not everyone follows regulations. You may be lucky enough or oblivious enough to have never noticed a GTM mercilessly pencil whipped through their quals and set up for failure, but others of us have not been as fortunate.

The true question is which is worse: dealing with a "certified" GTM who should be placed nowhere near a mission, or dealing with the infinite wisdom and humility of a HMRS grad.

"groupthink"?  good word.  LOL
As a former Pa Wing Commander, who sat through the process of "rewriting" the book on the HMRS program, I think I can make an opinion of what the caliber of training is,and its practical application.  The OP's statement is not based in reality.  "Field experience" is a relative term.  I am not criticizing the experience of the Hawk Mt. Schools.  In fact I enjoyed the experience, and think the members who participate get some good knowledge.  Practical experience, however is something else.  I have found, from experience, that members trained in other venues may be as good or better during a real mission.

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 on: Today at 08:50:36 PM 
Started by CAPSOC_0pur8ur - Last post by abdsp51
Only ever had minor issues with Vanguard and they always came through after a phone call.

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 on: Today at 08:49:42 PM 
Started by therealfirstsergeant - Last post by abdsp51
OP, I'm gonna be as nice as I possibly can.  You know nothing.... And a great example on why I choose to not have anything to do with ES in any aspect and do not advocate it. 

There is nothing taught at HMRS that will make anyone who attends it better at GT or CAP in general.  I can tell you that if I had a choice between you and someone else,  I'll take someone else who has a some grounding and a good head on their shoulders.  Most people who talk the talk end up not walking the walk.  There is no level of "field experience" that will make you better period.  The only thing I have seen ever to come out of HMRS is unauthorized bling and elitist attitudes.

This is the type of attitude that also tells outside players we are not worth using for missions.  I know that it I were a Sheriff somewhere and CAP wanted to play and demonstrated this type of attitude it would not only a no but "Hell no". 

There is no defense or excuse for this type of attitude. 

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 on: Today at 08:40:45 PM 
Started by therealfirstsergeant - Last post by abdsp51
Glad to see CAPtalk still handles opinions that differ from their groupthink well. Can't imagine a world where everyone thinks for themselves.

What OP is trying to assert is that a ranger tab shows that this person at a bare minimum has had some field experience. There's no way to know whether someone with GTM3 on their 101 Card has actually demonstrated capability on the tasks needed, or if their SQTR was signed off because they happened to be found in a room that had a ground team class going on. Having graduated HMRS at least guarantees that they have participated in something resembling CAP field ops.

Yes, regulations require task demonstration, but not everyone follows regulations. You may be lucky enough or oblivious enough to have never noticed a GTM mercilessly pencil whipped through their quals and set up for failure, but others of us have not been as fortunate.

The true question is which is worse: dealing with a "certified" GTM who should be placed nowhere near a mission, or dealing with the infinite wisdom and humility of a HMRS grad.

Your kidding right?  This is a form of satire prose????

 7 
 on: Today at 08:31:46 PM 
Started by therealfirstsergeant - Last post by waukwiz
What "field experience" does a Ranger tab indicate? 

Quote
hands-on experience in navigation, team mobility, search operations, crash site procedures and survival skills. Students will also have an opportunity to rappel on our 60+ foot tower. The students then will take part in a 3-day mission to have the skills learned evaluated. In this search exercise, the schools culminating event, the students will take part in real world scenarios and perform realistic rescues. Students will train through the Ranger 3rd Class and into Ranger 2nd Class skills. Ground Team Member Level 3 & 2 skills will also be evaluated.
https://www.capranger.org/basic-ranger-course

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 on: Today at 08:15:33 PM 
Started by therealfirstsergeant - Last post by Pace
The true question is which is worse: dealing with a "certified" GTM who should be placed nowhere near a mission, or dealing with the infinite wisdom and humility of a HMRS grad.
What you're seeing is most certainly not group think, but other opinions based on experience with HMRS grads with horrible attitudes. I can say that if you made me pick between those two options blindly without taking into consideration other factors like age, maturity, grade, etc; my answer is easily the pencil-whipped, non-ranger GTM. Here's why: they follow instructions. Period. I don't have to argue with them to follow orders. I don't have to worry if they're agreeing to my face then doing what they think is best behind my back. Been there. Done that. Been burned. I can teach knowledge or a skill a lot more easily than I can break a bad attitude. I know the program is getting better with the attitudes. As long as anyone comes out of Hawk thinking themselves superior to non-Hawk GTMs, this problem and stigma will exist. The training is clearly consistent, which is the real point, but the attitude is more of a burden than the skills are worth.

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 on: Today at 08:14:12 PM 
Started by therealfirstsergeant - Last post by kwe1009
What "field experience" does a Ranger tab indicate? 

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 on: Today at 08:00:44 PM 
Started by therealfirstsergeant - Last post by waukwiz
Glad to see CAPtalk still handles opinions that differ from their groupthink well. Can't imagine a world where everyone thinks for themselves.

What OP is trying to assert is that a ranger tab shows that this person at a bare minimum has had some field experience. There's no way to know whether someone with GTM3 on their 101 Card has actually demonstrated capability on the tasks needed, or if their SQTR was signed off because they happened to be found in a room that had a ground team class going on. Having graduated HMRS at least guarantees that they have participated in something resembling CAP field ops.

Yes, regulations require task demonstration, but not everyone follows regulations. You may be lucky enough or oblivious enough to have never noticed a GTM mercilessly pencil whipped through their quals and set up for failure, but others of us have not been as fortunate.

The true question is which is worse: dealing with a "certified" GTM who should be placed nowhere near a mission, or dealing with the infinite wisdom and humility of a HMRS grad.

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