Eyes on a dress right dress

[xray328]

We were "discussing" if, on a dress right dress, your eyes look 90 degrees or 45. Is it head 45, eyes 45 for a total of 90 with your eyes looking directly at the guy next to you or head 45, eyes 45 both locked together forcing you to use your peripheral vision? The reg just says head and eyes at 45.

I was taught to look at the guys nose next to me, but I'm seeing otherwise now.


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[abdsp51]

Have you consulted the drill manual?  They taught this in basic....

[lordmonar]

Head 45 degrees you should be looking with your eyes to get you alignment.   Not looking at some ones nose.   

Really!  I don't understand why people have to take things to such extremes. 


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[Tim Day]

Have you consulted the drill manual?  They taught this in basic....

Since the OP quoted the drill manual almost verbatim I'm speculating that OP did in fact consult the drill manual and was asking a clarifying question.

[abdsp51]

Have you consulted the drill manual?  They taught this in basic....

Since the OP quoted the drill manual almost verbatim I'm speculating that OP did in fact consult the drill manual and was asking a clarifying question.

I can assure you he did not quote the manual verbatim...

[Tim Day]

Have you consulted the drill manual?  They taught this in basic....

Since the OP quoted the drill manual almost verbatim I'm speculating that OP did in fact consult the drill manual and was asking a clarifying question.

I can assure you he did not quote the manual verbatim...

Hence the "almost" 

Here it is verbatim: "turn their heads and eyes smartly 45 degrees to the right"

And what he said was "The reg just says head and eyes at 45." Which is true.

[xray328]

I've always looked to get my alignment, but there were cadets turning their head to 45 degrees and their eyes were locked looking straight ahead using peripheral vision while some were actually looking hard to the right at the person next to them. Just wanted to make sure I am teaching the correct way. And yes, I did consult the manual before coming on here (learned that lesson)...just needed clarification since some were doing it one way and some were doing it another.

[HGjunkie]

You could take it either way:

• Both the eyes and head move as a single unit 45 degrees
• Move the head 45 degrees AND move the eyes 45 degrees

Honestly? As long as you're not being obnoxious about trying to stare at the head of the person next to you, shifting your eyes isn't a big deal to maintain proper alignment. If your head is at 45, you're good. Then worry about more important things.

[Майор Хаткевич]

Numbered page 29: http://www.capmembers.com/media/cms/Drill_Guide__Reduced_E82AFEB111DF0.pdf

[xray328]

The cadet in that picture (page 32) is looking hard right.  I know it's trivial, it's just came up last though so I thought there might be a consensus. Not a big deal (at all), thanks.


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[Luis R. Ramos]

But has the head correctly at 45 degrees. The eyes seem to be at another 45 degrees. May be looking at the sum of 45 + 45, but the head is correct. That would be good.

[xray328]

Right. That was the question, 45 or 45+45.  Again, it's trivial but since it's being taught, let's teach it correctly.  I'm assuming it might be more important in a drill comp situation.


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[Майор Хаткевич]

Right. That was the question, 45 or 45+45.  Again, it's trivial but since it's being taught, let's teach it correctly.  I'm assuming it might be more important in a drill comp situation.


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I always told cadets head 45 - eyes 45, makes a 90.


The idea is to look "right", but since the head only goes 45 degrees, the eyes must also go 45 degrees.

[xray328]

Thanks, that's what I was taught as well.  Last night the cadets were staring off into space, defeats the purpose. Regs aren't clear here though so it's tough to back up.


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[Luis R. Ramos]

I always have taught it as eyes staring at the same heading the head goes. No additional 45 degrees. They do not need the additional 45 degrees to use their peripheral vision to see the person on their right (or to the left in case of eyes left).

[Майор Хаткевич]

I always have taught it as eyes staring at the same heading the head goes. No additional 45 degrees. They do not need the additional 45 degrees to use their peripheral vision to see the person on their right (or to the left in case of eyes left).

Peripheral vision alone wont work.

[Luis R. Ramos]

Moving head at a 45 degree angle without moving the eyes another 45 degrees? It worked on the 20+ parades I have attended...

[Eclipse]

Humans have a central cone of vision of about 3°, anything outside of that degrades significantly, to the point where
the average person can perceive an object's presence, without accuracy in regards to what it is, at somewhere around 60°-80°
peripherally, and can perceive with fair accuracy at about 30° (to either side, with variations based on eye health).

With your head turned 45 degrees, you should be able to accurately perceive the presence and location of the person next to you in ranks
without difficulty, as that gives you a perceptible view that is nearly to the marchers right or left (45° +~30°).

In other words, you can perceive the presence, location, and movement of the person next to you with enough accuracy to react accordingly.
You would not, however, likely be able to see or even perceive, the next one over and back from you person to your 4-5 o'clock or 7-8 o'clock position without turning your head further in the respective direction.

*edits to clarify

[stillamarine]

I always have taught it as eyes staring at the same heading the head goes. No additional 45 degrees. They do not need the additional 45 degrees to use their peripheral vision to see the person on their right (or to the left in case of eyes left).

Peripheral vision alone wont work.

SDI SSgt Brown, DIs SSgt Senft, Sgt Young and Sgt Hernandez and Sgt Lorance would disagree with you. I remember vividly what happened when my eyes were not facing the direction my head was facing.

[HGjunkie]

I always have taught it as eyes staring at the same heading the head goes. No additional 45 degrees. They do not need the additional 45 degrees to use their peripheral vision to see the person on their right (or to the left in case of eyes left).

Peripheral vision alone wont work.

SDI SSgt Brown, DIs SSgt Senft, Sgt Young and Sgt Hernandez and Sgt Lorance would disagree with you. I remember vividly what happened when my eyes were not facing the direction my head was facing.

Well, for one... this isn't the USMC or MCRD.