Feel Unappreciated?

[DBlair]

Do you as a CAP member truly feel appreciated?

In conversations recently, I've come to the conclusion that it seems many of our members actually feel grossly unappreciated and taken for granted-- especially when it comes to awards/decorations.

Members have been telling me that they will be drastically pulling back their involvement (even considering the idea of quitting) as they are tired of feeling unappreciated for their efforts. To be honest, I can't say I blame them as I'm essentially in the same boat.



I'll offer my personal situation as an example...

My 'end of year' report regarding what I've accomplished and done this year reaches the range of 20 pages, single spaced. Without going into detail, I've far exceeded 'normal duty' in my Group Staff position and have led and otherwise coordinated a very long list of things at the Group, Wing, and even Region level, and have truly gone out of my way (practically every single day and weekend), 1,000% beyond what we should ever expect of our members.

Why do I do it? Because I sincerely believe in the Cadet Program and organization as a whole and want to be of service to the best of my ability. That being said, as volunteers, feeling appreciated is always a nice thing that often encourages us to continue our service, or perhaps even serve to a higher degree.

The most I get is a brief 'thanks' mentioned occasionally in passing, while others do little to nothing and get a wide array of decorations. My performance (even by stingy standards) should have probably resulted in multiple ESA, MSA, and other decorations and most likely an "...of the year" award, but alas not a single such recognition-- or any recognition at all.

In a volunteer organization, how can we reward and recognize our members for outstanding efforts? With awards, decorations, promotions to higher positions, and so on. The absence of these things is what I often find to be the reason for members scaling down their involvement, or even leaving CAP as a whole.

I attend events and see members who get decorations handed out like candy... an ESA for showing up to an activity, an MSA for purchasing a domain name, an ESA/MSA because you were someone's buddy, and the list goes on and on, sometimes they are even recognized for things I actually did, yet for which they get the decorations, etc. 

My involvement and taking on many additional tasks has seemingly become 'expected' by many and sometimes I feel like I'm being taken for a fool. While I love CAP and don't do what I do for decorations and awards, it is nice to feel appreciated-- something I am honestly not feeling at all.

So, with all this being considered, I am at a crossroads. I'm at the point where I feel like I am being taken for a sucker and not really appreciated for all that I do. There is a point where a simple 'thanks' and a handshake or a homemade 'certificate of appreciation' (not that I've received either) are far below what is appropriate. Essentially, I'm at 'that place' of (for lack of a better term coming to mind at this moment) put up or shut up.

My membership is due to expire next month, and I'm going to renew, but I am seriously considering stepping back from the majority of my involvement. Enough is enough, I'm tired of feeling like a sucker.



Any thoughts?

[HGjunkie]

FWIW, I appreciate what you do for the CP in Group 3.

I attend events and see members who get decorations handed out like candy... an ESA for showing up to an activity, an MSA for purchasing a domain name, an ESA/MSA because you were someone's buddy, and the list goes on and on, sometimes they are even recognized for things I actually did, yet for which they get the decorations, etc. 

OK, that's just plain wrong. There should be a better system in place for recognition of exceptional duty if this happens on such a broad scale. Now, I don't have any bright ideas for that, so i'll let CAPTalk duke that one out.

I can't really speak about being underappreciated myself, being one of the 2 staff cadets in my Squadron and having been nominated for the VFW NCO award. Still, according to what you write, you should be very decorated for your service. I won't give advice about stepping back, since I don't have that much time in CAP under my belt to give a reasonable thought about it.

[RADIOMAN015]

Do you as a CAP member truly feel appreciated?

In conversations recently, I've come to the conclusion that it seems many of our members actually feel grossly unappreciated and taken for granted-- especially when it comes to awards/decorations.

Members have been telling me that they will be drastically pulling back their involvement (even considering the idea of quitting) as they are tired of feeling unappreciated for their efforts. To be honest, I can't say I blame them as I'm essentially in the same boat.

Hmm, our wing commander always thanks us for our service at any function he attends. :clap:

Personally, I try to do what I can for CAP with personal limits; but I'm not interested in spending a lot of money on CAP (thus the primary reason for golf shirt, blue BDU's etc) nor do I want to travel very much out of the immediate geographic area (the unit is very close by), especially with gas going to $3.00 gallon.  I have other interests besides CAP, and frankly haven't decided if I will continue in the unit PAO role for another year or just keep comm officer. 

We've had a fair number of senior members go inactive over the past few years.  Some of them never were productive in helping the unit anyways, and I'm at a loss as to why they even joined  (of course for the pilots it was the "free" flying  )  I also know our commander will be shifting more to patron status in the future because how can we justify having some members fill two or three positions, when others on the active list don't have any positions

National Policy Wise -- I haven't gotten a CAP driver's license to drive the squadron van, because again as a volunteer I shouldn't be penalized for ANY accident while performing in a duty status for CAP.  I do not feel that CAP members are treated fairly in this particular area and there's absolutely no transparency in CAP on these accident monetary assessments   I would suspect that others that don't agree with certain policies also opted out of certain duties/areas.

Time wise, I like the idea of much of the training being available on line, and I know some of our wing staff areas are now looking at utilizing telephone conference calls to the units' staff officers rather than holding many in person meetings.  (For some of us it took longer to travel/round trip travel to the meeting that then meeting lasted )

I've also helped the wing out by being the project officer, exercise planner, for one wing wide exercise & also locally one joint agency exercise.  I enjoy the planning aspect & than seeing how it turns out.

I still think the organization requires too much paperwork and some programs are basically "paper tigers" rather than anything effective.  I'm very surprised that the USAF hasn't held CAP to task on this, especially where a lot of money has been spent on equipment assets (and frankly up to the region level I've expressed my concerns in a "soft sell" manner). 

There's others in my squadron & in the wing that are more dedicated than I am and do get my respect.
RM 

[JoeTomasone]

I've never really attached much significance to MSA, Commander's Commendations, etc.   I mean, sure, they are nice to get, but I for whatever reason don't "miss" them.    I get "paid" more in the interpersonal relationships that I have forged, the satisfaction of doing my job, and the times when I can make someone else's job a bit easier.    If this sounds corny, so be it, but it's how I feel.

I am working on a system that accepts a lat/long (or city/state, or zip code), a qualification, and a radius, and returns all of the members with active qualifications in that area, along with contact data, etc.   I plan to add the ability to send a text message to selected folks from that list (think "UDF MISSION IN JERKWATER, FL - PLEASE REPORT AVAILABILITY FOR TASKING").     When I showed it to one of our ICs, he thanked me, and said that it would make his job easier.  And hey, you know what?   That's enough for me.

[NCRblues]

DBlair,

Thank you for your service, and i will tell you, your not alone in the situation.

Just a brief background, i drive 5 hours at a minimum to go to any CAP activity. 7 or more hours if i want to attend the monthly commanders calls (and i normally do). I am currently performing 3 other people's jobs at the moment because no one in the wing has heard from the DCP, and I'm also trying to keep the wing CAC together because the SM charged with that has also gone "AWOL" if you will....

I have nothing above my unit citation ribbon (for cap at least). I have several AF AD awards, but no cap awards. When i mingle with people at conference or other activity's they are shocked that i don't have a comcom or above. Yet i never receive one. I have never been told thank you, or we appreciated your hard work on things.

Some might ask why do i still come. and. pay.? ( )

Well, that answer is simple, i was a cadet. I had the time of my life as a cadet, and i do not want the current cadets to suffer because someone has become "to busy" to do the job they said they would, but wont resign the position. I love to see the cadets turn out in dress blues, you can see the pride and feel it in the air. That is my thanks.

Does it upset me i don't have a comcom or anything of that nature, sure, but i live with it. I move on and say one day.....one day....

[FW]

Daniel, believe it or not, there are times all of us feel un or under appreciated for our efforts.  I have my days too.  However, I didn't join CAP for awards nor do I stay a member for thanks.  First, I joined as a cadet for the interests in aviation and a way to develop self discipline.  The rewards were self evident and, became a senior member to give back for what CAP gave me.  As a senior member, I gave and gave and gave.  Well, after 30 years as a senior member, I think I've paid back enough but, I still feel I have a need to contribute.  Even if no one is listening....

Anyway, value what you have done.  I'm sure you have made a difference in peoples lives.  I know I have and am satisfied with that knowledge.  I value my friendships and, I value my membership in CAP.  My advice is to find a way to recharge those batteries and move forward.  Good luck and, THANK YOU for your service.

[RiverAux]

Primary reasons for lack of CAP awards getting out to those who probably deserve them:
1.  Their commander doesn't bother to put them in.  Sure anyone can, but the Commander should.  Reasons why commanders don't:  1) Laziness, or 2) they may not actually realize the scope of what you are doing.  Sometimes you have to blow your own horn a bit. 

2. Lack of a public affairs program.  If you're got an active PAO one of the side benefits is that they go around a lazy commander and end up informing those at higher levels what is going on in the unit and hopefully they are on the ball enough to decide on their own that someone deserves an award.

3.  When only a few people or units actually bother to put people in for awards it ironically probably makes it tougher to get the the higher level ones as they are probably going to be "graded" sort of hard.  If a Wing CC only gets 10 award nominations a year they may not have a good feeling for what really constitutes exceptional work.  But, if they were getting 100 nominations the standouts would REALLY standout above the rest. 

[DakRadz]

My advice is to find a way to recharge those batteries and move forward.  Good luck and, THANK YOU for your service.

I agree with all of the Col.'s post, but this is essentially what I was going to write.

P.S. Look into Airsoft, and invite your superiors from CAP to play... In a non-CAP capacity, of course. (If they aren't going to write you up for something, then at least shoot them legally).

[SARDOC]

P.S. Look into Airsoft, and invite your superiors from CAP to play... In a non-CAP capacity, of course. (If they aren't going to write you up for something, then at least shoot them legally).

Okay...now that's funny

[davidsinn]

P.S. Look into Airsoft, and invite your superiors from CAP to play... In a non-CAP capacity, of course. (If they aren't going to write you up for something, then at least shoot them legally).

Okay...now that's funny

Paintball leaves bigger welts...

[DBlair]

As did many of you, I too joined as a Cadet and returned as a SM because I sincerely believe in the program, and in helping to develop these Cadets into the leaders of tomorrow. I do what I do for the Cadets, and I'm proud to say that I feel as if I've had an impact in their lives. I didn't join/re-join or accept the various roles/assignments because I'm on a quest for awards or decorations.

That being said, there is a point where it gets tiring to see everyone else get the decorations/awards for a mere fraction of what you do (or even things you actually did yourself) and you go without any recognition whatsoever. After a while, you start to feel like a sucker.

In a volunteer organization, we are limited in how we thank/recognize our members, and it often comes down to decorations/awards, being offered higher positions, etc. Neither of which have I received, although I've seen largely ineffective members be decorated and offered higher positions at Group, Wing, and Region, meanwhile I'm not even considered for such things. There is a point where it becomes absurd and essentially a slap in the face.

My situation seems very similar to that of NCRblues (posted above) and some others here, but then again, several of you are at Wing, Region, and National, so I'm willing to bet you'll have an ESA within a year. The same goes for your CAC and Color Guards, just for showing up-- it gets annoying when I hear members openly joke about how they merely "showed up" and were awarded their "automatic ESA" which is akin to a slap in the face for the many of us who truly bust our butt to make things happen and yet might (if we're lucky) only get a "thanks" said in passing. 

I'm the Cadet Programs Officer of a Group larger (7 FL counties, ~25 units) than most Wings, doing what equates to the jobs of a DCP and other CP staff officers (combined) in most Wings, and many other 'above and beyond' sort of things, and I get to sit here and watch as others are given positions and decorations-- and its not like I can put myself in for decorations or offer myself better positions. lol

This isn't anything about specific members or commanders, this is rather about the fact that there is a point where it gets tiring being overlooked and unappreciated and you start to feel like a sucker/fool.

To put it bluntly, I'm fed up, and at the point where a 'thanks' said in passing at an activity (without something substantial attached to it) is grossly insufficient and reaching the level of an insult. With this in mind, I'm seriously considering the possibility of stepping back immediately with my involvement (and everything I'm currently doing) until such time as I feel sufficiently appreciated and recognized-- I won't hold my breath, but some people really need to stop taking dedicated and hardworking members for granted and step up to the plate, truly showing their appreciation.

[lordmonar]

It is the same old story....


"I don't get anything and I work my buttt off....but Lt Col Soandso gets one for just showing up!"

The ground reality of it .....is that many commanders don't know or are too busy to put their people in for decorations.

There is no easy answer short of do it yourself.

Of course you are under appriciated.......most of us are.  I just see it as the nature of the beast.   I do not volunteer in CAP to get decorations.....but they are nice to get.....if that is what you want....write up some bullets and give it to your CC for his action.

[The CyBorg is destroyed]

Your point is well taken.

As you can tell from my signature pic I don't have a chestful of ribbons myself.

When I got my Commander's Commendation I was surprised, make no mistake.

My own experience is that a lot of it depends on the unit you're in, and I've been in all three types, composite, cadet, and senior.

A couple of examples:

One unit didn't do anything operationally since we didn't have an airplane or access to one...no "find" ribbons.

The flying club senior squadron didn't give a rip about uniforms so they didn't give a rip about ribbons, either.

I know I'm not one who lives CAP 24/7/365, but I do what I can given my circumstances...maybe if I were able to live CAP 24/7/365 I'd have a lot bigger ribbon rack.

[DBlair]

It is the same old story....


"I don't get anything and I work my buttt off....but Lt Col Soandso gets one for just showing up!"

The ground reality of it .....is that many commanders don't know or are too busy to put their people in for decorations.

There is no easy answer short of do it yourself.

Of course you are under appriciated.......most of us are.  I just see it as the nature of the beast.   I do not volunteer in CAP to get decorations.....but they are nice to get.....if that is what you want....write up some bullets and give it to your CC for his action.

a) I agree, some feeling of being unappreciated is probably to be expected as it is nearly impossible to make sure every member is appreciated for everything they do. That being said, there is a point where it demonstrates a member truly being unappreciated, taken for granted, and practically insulted. What I'm mentioning in this thread goes far beyond just some basic everyday desire for appreciation.

b) Regarding submitting CAPF120s myself, I'm pretty sure Wing and Region (let alone my commander) would not exactly see this in the best light. I wouldn't have a problem if (due to personally knowing the details, etc) I was asked to write it up, but to put myself in for it from the start would surely result in a form that doesn't go anywhere and yields nothing more than a rolling of the eyes. This also neglects the primary point here... I shouldn't have to submit a CAPF120 about myself, if I was truly appreciated, others would have done it.

c) This isn't about a self-serving quest for decorations/awards, but rather what they symbolize- recognition and appreciation. It should never even come to the point of this thread in the first place, but unfortunately, it has gone far beyond what is tolerable and into the range of feeling like a slap in the face.

Your point is well taken.

As you can tell from my signature pic I don't have a chestful of ribbons myself.

When I got my Commander's Commendation I was surprised, make no mistake.

My own experience is that a lot of it depends on the unit you're in, and I've been in all three types, composite, cadet, and senior.

A couple of examples:

One unit didn't do anything operationally since we didn't have an airplane or access to one...no "find" ribbons.

The flying club senior squadron didn't give a rip about uniforms so they didn't give a rip about ribbons, either.

I know I'm not one who lives CAP 24/7/365, but I do what I can given my circumstances...maybe if I were able to live CAP 24/7/365 I'd have a lot bigger ribbon rack.

I'm at Group Hq, and a former member of both Cadet and Composite units- both of which felt that a home-made 'certificate of appreciation' was enough for any unit member, yet some of these unit commanders had ComComs and MSAs and felt only they should get decorations, or others were annoyed that they had not themselves received an MSA, therefore nobody should get anything.

As for Group Hq (my unit), it seems that some members get decorations, but these are largely for ES and almost entirely Wing Hq originated, other than an 'automatic' Achievement Award (I don't even have one of these lol) or ComCom for showing up to a 'favorite' activity of certain members. It is both funny and sad that members locally know which activities will yield an 'automatic' ComComm or AA just for showing up, and plan their attendance accordingly.

As for the CAP24/7/365 types, I have been one of those people thus far, but I'm so fed up with others getting recognition for everything from breathing, to showing up, to doing minimal tasks (you'd be amazed at what seems to yield a Decoration), and myself not getting any recognition whatsoever (rarely even a 'thanks') and there being an expectation that I'm going to take on more and more duties without even appreciating what I've done thus far. That 24/7/365 level of effort is going to be greatly reduced in the near/immediate future.

[lordmonar]

DBlair,

I agree with you 100%.

No one should ever have to submit themselves for a decoration.

Our leaders should be seeing what we are doing and submitting them when we deserve them.

However......our leaders are just as busy as you are and are just as under appriciated as you are.

Again there is no easy answer.  The problem is that our leaders are not using good feed back techniques and using the tools provided to recogise our top performers.   

If we could pay them all to spend a couple of weeks at a good managment skills course I would do so.....but again ground truth.....is that we all have a lot to do and only so much time to do it in.  I personally stive to take the time to get the decorations to my people.  But it is hard to find the time to do everthing and my real job, and my family, and my other hobby, and et al .

[jimmydeanno]

My previous squadrons I did A LOT, as you are now, maybe more, maybe a little less.  As a cadet I earned a Commander's Commendation for my work as the Wing CAC chair.

Since turning senior (9 years now), I've done a considerable number of things, like:

Take two units that were about to shut down and within a year (each) turn them into units that were in the top 10% size wise in CAP.

Recruited and trained a color guard that went to National Cadet Competition within 4 months of being CAP members.

Taught at approximately 30 SLS courses, directed 4.
Taught at approximately 10 CLC courses, directed 2.
Taught at approximately 5 UCC courses, directed 1.
Taught at approximately 15 TLC courses, directed 2.
Served as a Seminar Advisor for NSC.
Served as 1 of 3 senior staff members for the Engineering Technologies Academy
Staffed NCC in Washing DC.
Served as a seminar Advisor for COS.
Escorted cadets from multiple countries on IACE.
Served as encampment staff for 6 encampments.
Served as senior advisor for a wing CAC, having the only year (since I was cadet chairman) to have every squadron represented at every meeting.
Spearheaded wing fundraisers.
Been a DCC for units that had more cadets than some wings do.
Helped with editing, contributions and revision of the new cadet leadership books.
Ran a wing Cadet Compeititon
Provided approximately 300 activities for cadets to participate in.
Developed the new layout for the CAP University Page
Aided in the development/editing of several of the new Cadet Programs materials (Cadet Staff Guide, etc) and am writing a soon to be released resource.
Lead recruiting events that have brought about 300 members to the organization.
Personally recruited about 50 people (not through a specific event).
and the list goes on.

This year alone, I've spent nearly 12 weeks at Maxwell this year as a volunteer.

My decorations include, 3 - CCAs, 1 National Commander's Commendation, and 1 Meritorious Service Award in the 15 years I've been in the program and including involvement of things that have obvious National and Regional level impact.  Am I resentful?  No, because the people who get ESAs for being assistant testing officer for the region usually don't even know what they earned it for - it tells me a lot about the award they've earned and their regard for it.  It's also not why I joined CAP, or continue to renew my membership each year.

I can certainly appreciate the sacrifice you make, nearly every day, to the cadets of our program.  Without good Cadet Program leaders our cadet program wouldn't be growing.

[Tim Medeiros]

I've been in this boat before.  Heck, even in the same unit (pretty much, though I was in Group 8 HQ before it merged with Group 3).  What kept me going was the random thanks and appreciation from the cadets.

A "homemade" certificate works for some things, but not everything.  If I personally see someone doing something that would qualify them for any type of award or decoration, I make it a point to talk to their commander.  Most of the time the commander isn't even aware of how to submit someone for a decoration, or they are and are just waiting for the *insert conference/banquet here* awards request from group/wing/region, still others don't know the requirements.

One of the things I've done was talk to a friend of mine also in CAP about some of the stuff I've done, 2 months later I was being handed a decoration.  My most recent supervisor (new to the position at the time) asked me for some bullet points of what I've done in the capacity of one of my jobs, that resulted in another decoration (yet to be presented), all I did was tell him what I've done and he wrote it up.

It's also a good thing to note that there is a certain "style" to how you write up an awards recommendation.  It could be that some were put in for you, but they lacked required language and because of that were not approved.

So, TL;DR: 1) Cadets give the best appreciation in both of our positions, 2) Some people are not up to speed on the process, 3) Write up bullet points and talk to a friend/good supervisor, 4) Make sure friend/good supervisor can write it up "properly".

[Persona non grata]

I dislike when other people take the credit but I know who did the real work so that's OK by me.  As a commander I recognizes the achievements of those under my command.  The previous commander gave out CC to people who took the credit of work that other did.  One officer in particular was always concerned about earning a ribbon and making it know to everyone that she was attempting to gain some sort of attention to get the award(not humble at all).   

[JoeTomasone]

What kept me going was the random thanks and appreciation from the cadets.

You know, great point!   I just got a card from a Cadet thanking me for being a mentor, helping with ES, etc...   Means a lot more to me than an award. 

[Persona non grata]

More thoughtful on the part of the cadet.      Thats a real nice thing to do for SM  :clap:

[JoeTomasone]

More thoughtful on the part of the cadet.      Thats a real nice thing to do for SM  :clap:

Absolutely.  Quite a squared-away cadet as well, making a great impact as that Squadron's C/CC. 

Since I've not yet addressed Capt. Blair's situation specifically, let me take a moment now.    I really think that you need to be in a place where the work that you are doing brings its own rewards, and where whatever awards may come your way are just gravy.   Trust me, even if it is not officially recognized, people are absolutely appreciative of what you do for the program.    But to withdraw -- perhaps so people will see what it would be like without you -- merely hurts those you have the obvious desire to serve.    When I was essentially forced to move up to Wing Staff, my biggest concern was that I would no longer be able to effectively help the units and people that I had been helping - so I, to this day, still help out where I can - be it overtly or behind the scenes.    In the end, it's not about what recognition you get, it's about enjoying what you do and having the impact on the program, the people, and the mission.   If you can't find satisfaction in that alone, then it may be time to consider a different duty assignment, unit, or program.  Or, perhaps, you simply are burned out and need a break - it happens.     

[James Shaw]

I also believe that those that are in the squadron level are not recognized in the way that they should be. When I was a commander I made it a personal practice to make sure that I requested from my squadron members an end of the year report of what they had done. I would look at them and see what fell in line with the normal duties of their committment and then looked beyond what they signed up to do. I would submit request for awards based on that.

I dont feel that it is a lack of desire or respect for the members to be recognized. I think it is partially the time it takes to do the writing and other committments they have. I am not saying the system is perfect and there is ALOT of work that could be done to improve the overall procedure. I am all for that. I do have to agree that it is a "great" feeling to have a cadet say thank you and no one can take that "pay away" but people who do the work and spend their VOLUNTEER & UNPAID time deserve to be recognized as well.

I also feel that the members of the squadron should bring this to the attention of the commander. This seems like such an easy thing to fix if it is approached respectfully. If a person gets to the point where they are going to "drop out" the commander and the member need to have a direct interview and find out what the problem is. I dont think there is anything wrong in being appreciated!

I would caution people about demeaning others because they have received something you have not. Unless you know 100% of the facts than it is not a fair assessment or judgment for anyone to make.

In my opinion the only way this is going to change is if the members bring it to others attention and not let it slip by before they leave.

[SKI304]

This thread was a good reminder that I need to finish a few CAPF 120's I had started and put on the back burner to tackle more immediate operational necessities.  Personally, I more often than not feel like I fall into the un/under-appreciated categories.  Especially when it struck me that I'm being forced to put more time into my CAP job than my day job.  I've essentially put my personal life and career on hold for the whims of CAP.  Sure I get an award here and there, but I've been riding the burned out train for far to long.  Compound that with complaining parents and colleagues and it really makes me question why I continue doing this.  Then I remember why I do it - because I believe the Cadet Program is too great of a thing to let fail.  The occasional thank yous and acknowledgments from the cadets and parents that realize how much others and myself put in make it worth it.

However, I think unit recognition is also a big problem in CAP, or at least in my immediate area.  Recognizing the team efforts effects the morale of many more than singular persons and neglecting that could be rather damaging.  Unit Citations are virtually non existent here.  In the past eight years or so, I've only heard of two units in my wing receiving them, and I know there are plenty that are deserving.  As an example we've even gone as far as submitting our own unit three times now, never to hear anything back.  Heck, we're still waiting to receive our streamer from winning Squadron of Distinction in...2005.  At least we got the unsigned certificate in the mail.  I've pretty much given up on seeing any unit level recognition or appreciation from higher headquarters.  Live, learn, overcome, and move on I suppose.

[RiverAux]

I don't have a problem with people putting themselves in for promotions or the routine awards if their unit personnel officer or commander are too lazy to do it.  But, outside of that it would look a little odd to put yourself in for the real decorations.

[James Shaw]

I don't have a problem with people putting themselves in for promotions or the routine awards if their unit personnel officer or commander are too lazy to do it.  But, outside of that it would look a little odd to put yourself in for the real decorations.

I do not feel that you should put yourself in for one. I suggest making the command aware of what you have done for the year. They have alot of other tings to be concerned with and it is easy to forget as one "member" posted.

[DBlair]

I think much of my point is being misunderstood.

It is not at all that I'm doing things as part of some quest for decorations. Having the impact that I've had on Cadets is certainly very rewarding- there is nothing like seeing them develop into leaders and know you had a part in that.

That being said, there is a point where neglect of recognition/appreciation is over the top and enough is enough. When you are taken for granted that much and expected to do more and more, often without so much as a 'thanks' said in passing, meanwhile seeing others get recognition for minimal/no efforts, you start to feel bitter about it and the reward of our impact on the Cadets is no longer enough as you feel like the organization (or at least those in a position to recognize efforts) is taking you for a fool. I don't mean to sound like some whining member who expects something for every little thing, but enough is enough, (for lack of a better term) put up or shut up.

I'll put it out there and be open about it... Would I like to be offered a Region/DCP or Group/CC (or CV with real opportunity to move up) or some nice Wing-level position? Sure. Would I like to receive an ESA, MSA, heck even an AA (I think we are far beyond the point of an AA, though), and Cadet Programs Officer of the Year Award? Sure, to be honest, I think I've earned at least these for everything I've done and I'm tired of being overlooked and taken for granted while others get an endless flow of (often unearned) recognition.

It isn't that the inherent reward of working with the Cadets is not there, its that when you start to feel like you are being taken (by the higher ups) as an idiot who will put forth more and more effort without any appreciation, it starts to really sting. This is largely about the principle.

[James Shaw]

I think much of my point is being misunderstood.

I believe that your message is pretty clear. People just have different ways of presenting it.

[Tim Medeiros]

some nice Wing-level position? Sure.

There was a wing level CP position open for applications last month (the position is now closed and decided), why not apply for it?  The SER DCP just changed over, there may be a position on the staff available as well.

Sometimes when it comes to positions, you need to be proactive.  That's how I got my region and wing positions I have now.  I saw a need and offered my services.

[DBlair]

some nice Wing-level position? Sure.

There was a wing level CP position open for applications last month (the position is now closed and decided), why not apply for it?  The SER DCP just changed over, there may be a position on the staff available as well.

Sometimes when it comes to positions, you need to be proactive.  That's how I got my region and wing positions I have now.  I saw a need and offered my services.

Being proactive is how I got my Group/Cadet Programs Officer position, I have no problem being proactive in pushing for a position. I've previously sent info and made my interest known to SER and FLWG, but alas everything was ignored.

Personally, I would have loved the SER/DCP role, but it was never offered or even put out for applications. As for the Wing CP position, I'm guessing you are speaking about DDR, but (no offense) I would rather be involved with something much more 'mainstream' CP than DDR.

To be honest, I like my Group/CP position, it is essentially like being the DCP of my own Wing-size Group, and I like being King of my own domain, so to speak. Would I consider another position if offered? Sure, it would be nice to actually be considered.

I also have no problem taking on more assignments or progressing forward with what I'm currently doing, but it is time to put up or shut up and appreciate what I've done thus far. I've been taken for granted way too long and until I'm appreciated/recognized, my involvement is coming to a near halt, including *everything* I'm currently doing (*cough* Encampment, and so much more) and everything else (seems to be an endless list) that people are trying to get me to take on.

[Ned]

CP "career progression" is kind of a wierd animal.

I spent the first 30 years or so of my membership with squadrons, but doing a lot of additional-duty wing-level stuff like encampments.  I love squadrons and that is undoubtedly where I will go when my current gig ends.

After all, even if everything goes perfectly and you serve 3-4 years as a DCP at the wing, then region, and finally at the National levels, at some point you're done stacking turtles, and it is back to the pond.

Where the water is just fine.


With apologies to Dr. Suess,

Ned Lee
(Who after 40 years has never received an MSA, but I'm OK with that.)

[spaatzmom]

some nice Wing-level position? Sure.

There was a wing level CP position open for applications last month (the position is now closed and decided), why not apply for it?  The SER DCP just changed over, there may be a position on the staff available as well.

Sometimes when it comes to positions, you need to be proactive.  That's how I got my region and wing positions I have now.  I saw a need and offered my services.

Being proactive is how I got my Group/Cadet Programs Officer position, I have no problem being proactive in pushing for a position. I've previously sent info and made my interest known to SER and FLWG, but alas everything was ignored.

Personally, I would have loved the SER/DCP role, but it was never offered or even put out for applications. As for the Wing CP position, I'm guessing you are speaking about DDR, but (no offense) I would rather be involved with something much more 'mainstream' CP than DDR.

To be honest, I like my Group/CP position, it is essentially like being the DCP of my own Wing-size Group, and I like being King of my own domain, so to speak. Would I consider another position if offered? Sure, it would be nice to actually be considered.

I also have no problem taking on more assignments or progressing forward with what I'm currently doing, but it is time to put up or shut up and appreciate what I've done thus far. I've been taken for granted way too long and until I'm appreciated/recognized, my involvement is coming to a near halt, including *everything* I'm currently doing (*cough* Encampment, and so much more) and everything else (seems to be an endless list) that people are trying to get me to take on.

Wow the passive-aggressive nature of your posts are stunning.  Could it be that subconsciously this posture could have been seen by others and they decided to put space between you and awards?

In less than 10 days winter encampment begins and you are the commandant.  By your last sentence, you are more than willing to hang those attending out to dry especially cadets.  This is probably not the fast track to consideration of any award in the near future.

[DBlair]

some nice Wing-level position? Sure.

There was a wing level CP position open for applications last month (the position is now closed and decided), why not apply for it?  The SER DCP just changed over, there may be a position on the staff available as well.

Sometimes when it comes to positions, you need to be proactive.  That's how I got my region and wing positions I have now.  I saw a need and offered my services.

Being proactive is how I got my Group/Cadet Programs Officer position, I have no problem being proactive in pushing for a position. I've previously sent info and made my interest known to SER and FLWG, but alas everything was ignored.

Personally, I would have loved the SER/DCP role, but it was never offered or even put out for applications. As for the Wing CP position, I'm guessing you are speaking about DDR, but (no offense) I would rather be involved with something much more 'mainstream' CP than DDR.

To be honest, I like my Group/CP position, it is essentially like being the DCP of my own Wing-size Group, and I like being King of my own domain, so to speak. Would I consider another position if offered? Sure, it would be nice to actually be considered.

I also have no problem taking on more assignments or progressing forward with what I'm currently doing, but it is time to put up or shut up and appreciate what I've done thus far. I've been taken for granted way too long and until I'm appreciated/recognized, my involvement is coming to a near halt, including *everything* I'm currently doing (*cough* Encampment, and so much more) and everything else (seems to be an endless list) that people are trying to get me to take on.

Wow the passive-aggressive nature of your posts are stunning.  Could it be that subconsciously this posture could have been seen by others and they decided to put space between you and awards?

In less than 10 days winter encampment begins and you are the commandant.  By your last sentence, you are more than willing to hang those attending out to dry especially cadets.  This is probably not the fast track to consideration of any award in the near future.

I have not had this attitude until recently, and I made that statement to make a point. I'm just really fed up, especially with the expectations that I'm ok with being thrown into more things and doing more and more, yet don't even thank me or recognize me for going out of my way to do the previous 20 pages (listed, single spaced) of things this last year.

After a while of everyone else getting awards for things you did (including a Lifesaving ribbon) or for anything from practically breathing to showing up, and you don't even get a sincere thank you, it gets to the point where enough is enough and you are done being taken for a fool.

Am I really fed up, bitter, and at 'that place' in my involvement? Absolutely. I wasn't always like this, though, as I normally just keep smiling and working at 1,000%, but I'm done going out of my way and being treated like crap.

[MSG Mac]

I too am feeling, if not unappreciated but frustrated by the (non) actions of our Group Commander and staff.  I have submitted several awards for my people over the last year and there is no response from the Group. Hasn't been a Commanders Call in a year, and when  I occasionally get an email from the Group, replies to the same email are returned as nonexistent. If Group staff had meetings on a night different from my own squadron's I would go down and raise hell with them.  I am grossly underwhelmed by the group and  already in the process of selecting my replacement, because if this continues, I won't renew my membership! At least not in Florida Wing.

[a2capt]

Yes, you are fed up, we can see that.  It seems that advice had been offered, and not wanted. Certain thanks are now declared to the level of actually being worse than nothing at all, even. What is it you want?

Has your Wing CC read this thread? Maybe they should. How about the staff immediately under you, fellow group staff,, or the Wing CPO?

Honestly, with the attitude being expressed here, and you saying "immediately", if I were involved in that encampment I'd be worried.. Your attention should be on that, now dwelling on this right now. Look at the mirror and see what others are seeing.

[BillB]

a2Capt.
Dbairs attitude is the norm in Florida. More and more people email or phone me and mention they are not going to renew This is due to the politics in the Wing which is widespread. You ask if the Wing Kind has read this thread. I can say I rather doubt it. I believe he's aware of the problems, but is unsure how to sure the problem. Also I rather imagine he's getting a spin on the state of the Wing from various staff. He has been better than several of the recent Wing Kings. But didn't know the extent of the power politics in the Wing. Locally I'm aware of three members, two were long time members who just gave up and didn't renew. It's a matter of who you know, not what you know in Florida Wing.

[HGjunkie]

Isn't the wing king stepping down early at next year's conference?

[BillB]

Yes, he's stepping down in April

[DBlair]

I want to make it clear that this thread is not directed towards any specific members or commanders. Rather, it is meant to shed light on the idea that we as an organization generally do not sufficiently recognize or appreciate our members for all that they do.

Prior to posting this thread, and as a result of it, I've had so many of our members tell me how dissatisfied they are with the way we fail to appropriately recognize and appreciate our members.

I offered my situation as a case study as I figured it was probably one of the most egregious examples, in order to get people thinking and discussing the fact that we have a substantial number of members who are grossly unhappy with how they are treated. Yes, I am one of these. The sad thing about it all is how simple it is to recognize and appreciate members of our organization, yet so many fail to realize it or fail to go through with it.

Was it inappropriate to air this sentiment on a public forum? Perhaps, I don't deny that, but sometimes it takes raising an issue to remind people of exactly how many of our fellow members feel they are being treated. There is a point where enough is enough and we need to treat our members right before they are so dissatisfied and unappreciated that they turn into ineffective members, or simply fade off the membership roster.



Oh, and for those who think I need to learn about non-profit organizations and management, keep in mind that (in addition to my extensive professional resume and currently serving as the President of a company) I have served as the volunteer President and Executive Director of multiple non-profit organizations, to include one organization of 10,000 members and over 1,000 events per year, having built it to the highest point in over 30 years. How was I successful? I made sure my volunteers (from top to bottom) truly felt appreciated for the incredible things they were doing. People are generally willing to go above and beyond, but they should never be taken for granted.

[dogboy]

I can definitely relate to a feeling of being unappreciated. My particular peeve is the Commander's Commendations. At least in my Wing, CCs are automatically awarded to AE Officer of the Year, Safety Officer of the Year, Chaplain of the Year, etc.

However, there are no awards for Finance Officer of the Year, Professional Development Officer of the Year, Personnel Officer, IS Officer, etc - - consequently no CCs are awarded to Officers in these positions, regardless of how well they do their job.

In my twelve years in CAP, I've had only one Commander that understood the importance of  awards to maintaining moral among those who do the work that keeps a Squadron running well.

I read on this board of Achievement Awards given to two Cadets who manned a table at an airshow all afternoon, They missed a family picnic.

I was the Administrative, Finance, and Personnel Officer for a Squadron with 60 members for FIVE YEARS. Nobody gave me an Achievement Award or anything else.

[Rotorhead]

Do what you do for yourself.

Yes, it would be good to have ribbons awarded.

But the reality is, your Wing/Group/Squadron may not have people who care about them.

Do your job anyway because it is important, because others are counting on you, whatever it is that motivates you.

[Chappie]

While the "____________of the Year award" (Squadron, Group, Wing, Region or National level), ComComs, MSA, ESA, and DSA might be nice additions to one's "love me" wall or nice bling on one's service/mess dress jacket, there is something that means a great deal as well -- that simple expression of "thank you" offered to or by a cadet or senior member with whom who have spent time with working on a project or dealing with a problem can mean a great deal.  To know that you have contributed to one's life or CAP career during a short-time or even long-term is a reward that one can not hang on a wall or wear on an uniform --- and is often far more rewarding or fulfilling.  I served in a squadron  where the Depuity Commander for Cadets had a phrase he said time and time again when awading cadets their achievement awards: "This is my paycheck"

It certainly doesn't hurt for a project leader, a Squadron/Group/Wing CC, or a wing or region director to take a few minutes to fill out a Form 120 (there is even a publication that was recently published to give assistance: http://www.capmembers.com/media/cms/P039_003_F66823F4021E0.pdf) for that individual who has gone beyond their scope of duty in performance and submit it for consideration.  Even though National can provide a formal Certificate of Appreciation, it doesn't hurt to create one of your own for a specific event or activity.  It certainly makes it more personable.  In keeping with the spirit of that Deputy Commander, I feel that any piece of paper or that 85 cent piece of fabric certainly is the paycheck for our outstanding volunteers.

[ProdigalJim]

Without in any way disagreeing with your main point, I note with some amusement that "Awards Made Easy" is eighty pages long...

[ProdigalJim]

(there is even a publication that was recently published to give assistance: http://www.capmembers.com/media/cms/P039_003_F66823F4021E0.pdf)

Without in any way disagreeing with your main point, I note with some amusement that "Awards Made Easy" is eighty pages long...

[Chappie]

(there is even a publication that was recently published to give assistance: http://www.capmembers.com/media/cms/P039_003_F66823F4021E0.pdf)

Without in any way disagreeing with your main point, I note with some amusement that "Awards Made Easy" is eighty pages long...

Having been on the Wing awards committee at one time, I can assure you  that such a document is needed.  Though it is eighty pages long...it has a wealth of material on how the Form 120 is to be completed as well as how to write the justification for the award itself.  If I have learned one thing about CAP, it is that all documents must be prepared correctly.   I have seen justifications written for awards that were simply stated: "Joe Shmoe should get this award because he is a good guy and does good work."   That will not hack it.  This publication, though lengthy, is thorough and provides a person who is considering an award for another member the tools to submit a justification worthy of the award requested. 


One other thing to consider.   The person who receives the framable award certificate also receives a copy of the Form 120 for his/her 201 file.  The write up is often more meaningful than the certificate.


Having had some of my earlier submissions returned, I learned the hard way to prepare a Form 120.  I wish there had been a pamphlet on "Awards Made Easy" when I first began submitting awards.  It amazes me that when it is done properly, the award requested gets approved.

[HGjunkie]

I guess I could throw this into the mix...

I just got back from staffing an encampment several days ago. At the Dining-in banquet, my C/OIC asked to speak with me for a few seconds. She shook my hand, gave me my challenge coin, and congratulated me on working hard and being dedicated for the past week in my staff position. To me, that made the whole encampment ten times better. Just simple things like a hand-shake and a thank-you.

[bosshawk]

It's interesting how that works.  Now, if we could just convince CAP members in leadership positions to consider that simple action.

[James Shaw]

It's interesting how that works.  Now, if we could just convince CAP members in leadership positions to consider that simple action.

Many of them do...

The SER Cammander Col James Rushing gave me one of his numbered challenge coins (#173) after my speech at the 2010 GAWG conference. He even waited until after about 20 other people came ot talk to me about history.

General Courter sent me one of her bronze National Commander coins after the NHQ dedication ceremony for the work I had done for the displays at NHQ.

She also sent me one of her silver challenge coins during the Christmas holidays for my previous years work for her.

I am very thankful for the people and the coins. A simple action does go a long way.

[bosshawk]

Jim: I am pleased that you have been recognized for the fine work that you do and have done.  What I am really displeased about are those in leadership positions(note that I don't use the term "leader") who haven't said thank you in the three plus years that they have been in quite high positions in echelons of which I am aware.  When asked, the usual retort is something like " I don't have time for that stuff'.

[a2capt]

" I don't have time for that stuff'.

Always, always. always.. thank your people. Without your people, you can't lead.
They're not leading otherwise.

[SABRE17]

been in CAP for two years... been "promised" a staff position since about my 6th month (c/A1c) <-- took a while to promote cause of conflicts with school. when the unit had a board to pick new staff last month, the cadet staff do it on a week THEY KNEW i wouldn't be there. So now there is a C/SSgt in charge of the flight that's been in for maybe 8 months, and I'm still in a non staff role, yet still the supply NCO. I realize time does not = rank, nor does age, but I'm feeling pretty worthless...

[a2capt]

There's a lot more ahead than just being unit 'staff'. There's a lot to get out of the program. OTOH, I do have to say, if they 'knew' you wouldn't be there, did you express an interest through the proper channels? Did you put a resume together as to why you should get whatever position you are seeking? Did they have it? How often have you not been there?

[coudano]

I guess I skipped this thread before, but it's a huge issue in any volunteer organization (not just CAP)

It is the nature of the beast for
a) the leadership of the organization to burn out their people resources fast, and when they are burned out, discard them and move on to fresh new people
b) a few outstanding members to vastly exceed 'normal' out of personal drive (which works nicely with a, now doesn't it?)

To me the answer, from the 'very hard working volunteer' angle is:
1.  Keep doing what you do, for your own reasons.  In the end that's all that matters anyway.  Well that and the actual impact that you make on the lives of others (though that probably falls in the 'personal reasons' category)
2.  Take care of yourself.  Set and enforce reasonable personal boundaries.  Say no to things that cross those boundaries.  And make that boundary somewhere before the point of your personal exhaustion.  The organization will go on.  And you certainly can't be less appreciated than you are now, by doing just a little less, can you?
3.  Make sure you are socially connected to other people "like you".  Hang out with them, do bbq's with them, go out for a beer with them.  Not 'official' CAP work, or activities during this time...  down time with colleagues.  This esprit community, in my opinion, is the good solution here.  The unspoken understanding amongst people who work hard and do good things.  Just being part of such a group is often quite enough for me.
4.  Seeing people I mentor succeed, and the occasional 'thank you' from them goes a long way.  A lot further than a certificate and piece of cloth.

There should be basic training on these things in new member introductory level training.
How to do a great job but not burn yourself out.
And it should be the majority of commander training (maybe it's in there, i've never been to a UCC)
How to NOT burn your people out.
The goal should be sustainable long term high performance.


Another piece of the pie that does matter is that awards are sometimes political in nature.  I have watched awards for certain very deserving people get squashed.  I have watched awards submitted by certain people get squashed.  I have watched awards for certain things get squashed.  I've watched awards submitted for deserving people, by good people, for good things get squashed simply because of disorganization and strife at higher echelons (that would have otherwise gone through).  It does happen.


That said, i've sat there and rolled my eyes as someone got showered with awards for a fraction of my effort.  As discussed there are a lot of reasons why that happens.  A point you may wish to consider is whether you really actually want to be 'one of those guys'.  Again, just because someone is tossing framable papers at you, doesn't mean that they /actually/ recognize and appreciate you, either.  Sometimes those things really amount to just automatic administrative process...

You also have to realize that sometimes the recipients of those awards are rolling their eyes even as they get them because they too know that what they did was 'standard fare' or 'not that big of a deal'.  I've been that guy.  What are you going to do, refuse to go up there and take the candy award?  No you take it and stick it in a box at home.  The show must go on.


In the end, what I really want is to be *actually* recognized and *actually* appreciated by someone whose recognition and approval I actually care about.  Frankly, CAP awards and decs do very little for me in terms of that, and I actually personally disdain getting called up in front of a group for formal presentation.  It goes back to morale and esprit.  Really the basics of leadership eh... (incase spies are reading this, i think the people around me actually do a pretty good job at this, i'm not fishing for group hugs or anything).



One other thing i'll throw out there is this:  if you really want to recognize CAP members who work hard in a meaningful way, do something nice for their spouses (and I don't mean a certificate of appreciation).  Spouses of highly productive CAP members (especially when that spouse isn't a cap member) tolerate a lot of trash, and showing them the impact (at the people level) being made could go a long way in smoothing some of that over.  That may be one of the most effective ways to appreciate your members, and make a long term improvement to their ability to continue to serve.

[SABRE17]

There's a lot more ahead than just being unit 'staff'. There's a lot to get out of the program. OTOH, I do have to say, if they 'knew' you wouldn't be there, did you express an interest through the proper channels? Did you put a resume together as to why you should get whatever position you are seeking? Did they have it? How often have you not been there?

there was ZERO announcement, I had informed my staff i would not be at that meeting due to a Jazz concert <-- 3rd trumpet, and the concert was for a high school class.

there were no resume's
no recommendations
^ that i knew of ^

I still feel a little cut out

now all things being said, the cadet that is now the flight sergeant, is more then capable and would have been my choice if i was the Cadet commander.

what makes me feel bad, is that i never received any notice of the selections, nor was i considered in my absence. fyi, every one in the unit knows me, i know they did not forget about me...

[jimmydeanno]

now all things being said, the cadet that is now the flight sergeant, is more then capable and would have been my choice if i was the Cadet commander.

what makes me feel bad, is that i never received any notice of the selections, nor was i considered in my absence. fyi, every one in the unit knows me, i know they did not forget about me...

So you would have picked the other candidate, too?  So what is the issue, if the other cadet was the better choice, by your own admission?  You also don't know if they considered you or not.  I'd be willing to bet that they at least discussed the possibility of you, but selected the other guy instead.

Do you miss a lot of meetings?

[SABRE17]

i don't miss meetings regularly.

If i had to choose a cadet to be a flight sergeant THAT WASN'T ME, it would be him.

what annoys me, is that A) i was never considered B) i never received any notice that such a board was going on and C) there's another C/SSgt that is not in the C.O.C. that gets treated as staff, hasn't promoted in about a year nor does anything...

I think I'm a victim of cronyism. I'm just waiting to get to college so i can go to a different unit...

[mclarke]

My honest thought is that it is the PAO who should be in on this. I am a PAO and I try to cover as much as I can to not only promote a positive image of CAP, but to recognize individuals as well. If there is a lack of recognition, I would very much bring it to the attention of the recruiting officer (who should be trying to keep members coming back) and the PAO.

I dont think awards are the greatest idea for keeping members, however, a simple "congrats to John Doe for completing level I and earning 2nd Lt" seems to go a very long way.

[ElectricPenguin]

I can't blame you.