Certificate of Proficiency Senior Ribbon?

[tjaxe]

I went out to Vanguard to look around at the different awards and such (I'm my squadron's new supply officer so I thought I'd check to see what's out there) and I saw this Certificate of Proficiency Senior ribbon (CAP0734).  I'm confused.  I don't see anything about such a ribbon in 39-3 and CAP Knowledgebase is confusing me more saying it was an old cadet award and is now the Davis award.  Can someone help de-confuse me?     Is the Certificate of Proficiency ribbon currently authorized?  If so, is it for completing Level II?

Thanks!

[James Shaw]

I went out to Vanguard to look around at the different awards and such (I'm my squadron's new supply officer so I thought I'd check to see what's out there) and I saw this Certificate of Proficiency Senior ribbon (CAP0734).  I'm confused.  I don't see anything about such a ribbon in 39-3 and CAP Knowledgebase is confusing me more saying it was an old cadet award and is now the Davis award.  Can someone help de-confuse me?     Is the Certificate of Proficiency ribbon currently authorized?  If so, is it for completing Level II?

Thanks!

That is the old COP ribbon and medal and is not issued anymore. Only for those who had previously earned it.

[jimmydeanno]

The CoP ribbon is an old cadet award that is authorized for wear by those who earned it back when it was still around.  

The CoP that seniors used to get is just a certificate and has been replaced by the Benjamin O' Davis Award.  You don't get a ribbon for it, but you do get the leadership ribbon (purple and white) for getting a technician rating.

[tjaxe]

So it sounds like it's misnamed as a senior ribbon when it should be labeled a cadet ribbon?

[swamprat86]

Because the only people who could still wear it now would be former cadets that are seniors, it is listed as a senior ribbon even though it was earned as a cadet.

[lordmonar]

Maybe we should change the leadership ribbon to the "Benjamin Davis" award and stop awarding it for getting your tech rateing.

Most specialty tracks have some sort of badge related to them so a ribbon is a little like double dipping and we currently do not have anything for getting your level II.

No additional bling, no less bling...just a slight change to when the ribbon is awarded.

[tjaxe]

^ that's a great idea!

[SilverEagle2]

Since it is required to have a tech rating to complete level II and get the B.O.D. Award I agree that the Leadership Award should become the B.O.D. Award. The only problem is what to do with the attachments for those that get a Senior or Master level without completing Level II.

Since you mention the respective PD Badge however, we could skip the attachments all together and solve the problem. I think you are on to something.

[swamprat86]

That would require them making more badges.  Not all the sepcialty tracks have badges and, unlike the ribbon, the most you would be able to see on a uniform would be two tracks.

I am more for going in the opposite direction.  Use the attachments on the ribbons and get rid of the badges.  It worked well for years before they started making badges for the other tracks.

[SilverEagle2]

So a compromise then.

Instead of demonstrating how many tracks you are working on, Make the ribbon the B.O.D. Award (which requires a tech rating) and then allow an (1) attachment for the highest PD track rating attained.

This would encourage more to complete Level II as they cannot denote the PD track rating until Level II is complete.

I am not sure we all need to know the number of PD tracks you are working on. Not to mention, you can only have three silver star attachments anyway so that is only one more annotation than the number of badges you can wear anyway.

Make it like the GRW Award. Complete ACSC get a bronze start, complete AWC, upgrade to silver star.

Looks better too.

My 2 cents

[jimmydeanno]

... Not to mention, you can only have three silver star attachments anyway so that is only one more annotation than the number of badges you can wear anyway.

You can throw on a second ribbon for the fourth rating...

[lordmonar]

Since it is required to have a tech rating to complete level II and get the B.O.D. Award I agree that the Leadership Award should become the B.O.D. Award. The only problem is what to do with the attachments for those that get a Senior or Master level without completing Level II.

Since you mention the respective PD Badge however, we could skip the attachments all together and solve the problem. I think you are on to something.

You fix that problem by requiring certain PD levels to get higher specality tracks.  CP requires a Level II to get Senior Rated and Level III to get Master.

A more involed fix....but you can easily do it by changing the PD reg.

And I would remove the atachments from the leadership award if it moved to the B.O.D. award.

[lordmonar]

That would require them making more badges.  Not all the sepcialty tracks have badges and, unlike the ribbon, the most you would be able to see on a uniform would be two tracks.

I am more for going in the opposite direction.  Use the attachments on the ribbons and get rid of the badges.  It worked well for years before they started making badges for the other tracks.

So make more badges.

By my count we would only have to make four new badges:
Flight Operations
Srandardization/Evaluation
Plans and Programs
Organizational Excellence

[SilverEagle2]

You can throw on a second ribbon for the fourth rating...

True...but silly.

And I would remove the atachments from the leadership award if it moved to the B.O.D. award.

So would I.

[Hawk200]

Not all the sepcialty tracks have badges ...

Or, more accurately, not all tracks have badges, yet. There was an IT badge before the criteria for the track even came out. You can bet that it won't be long before there is an Org Ex badge. As to when, my guess is before the end of the year. Before someone demands a reference, it's only speculation on my part, not a provable fact.

Currently, there are fourteen badges listed in 39-1. Vanguard has eighteen. There aren't many missing. There are other tracks that don't have specialty badges, but do have specialty insignia.

...unlike the ribbon, the most you would be able to see on a uniform would be two tracks.

The most you could see anyway. On blues, only two are authorized on the uniform at any given time. On the white shirt, only one.

Most specialty tracks have some sort of badge related to them so a ribbon is a little like double dipping ...

That's the part that has always bothered me. I guess it's just all that time in the military where you don't get more than one award for the same achievement, accomplishment, action, etc. PD badges can tell you what a person is qualified in at a glance. Attachments to a ribbon don't really you tell you anything, other than "I got a bunch..."

[ThorntonOL]

So what are we talking about? The cadet ribbon for seniors who earned it as a cadet or whether or not we need ribbons for specialty tracks.
Personally I have no problem with the ribbon as its not to common in our area, (don't think anyone local has it really.) and it's almost nonexistent except for the few stil in CAP who can wear it.
So other than a bit of history to peak one's interest there's not to much to discuss.

[lordmonar]

So what are we talking about? The cadet ribbon for seniors who earned it as a cadet or whether or not we need ribbons for specialty tracks.
Personally I have no problem with the ribbon as its not to common in our area, (don't think anyone local has it really.) and it's almost nonexistent except for the few still in CAP who can wear it.
So other than a bit of history to peak one's interest there's not to much to discuss.

The original question was if the COP ribbon that vanguard sells is the same as the "certificate of proficiency" that senior used to get for completing Level II which is now know as the Benjamin O. Davis award.

That segued into a discussion about should we stop giving the leadership award for getting a technician rating and award the leadership ribbon as the Benjamin Davis award.

[Gunner C]

Please, no more badges and no more ribbons.

[lordmonar]

Please, no more badges and no more ribbons.

Read what I said.   No additional ribbons....just change its name and what we are awarding it for.

[Gunner C]

Read what I said.  I was reinforcing what you said.