If there is any validity to this tale. Every single one of you are lucky you didn't something to the backside. And not knowing how recently this occurred that SM on the team needs a stern talking to as well as that GTL as well as retraining. None of you had any business trespassing and would have served you right if that "old man" as you described made contact. A shining example of why the org can't be taken serious in ES.
Quote from: abdsp51 on December 18, 2017, 07:24:54 AMIf there is any validity to this tale. Every single one of you are lucky you didn't something to the backside. And not knowing how recently this occurred that SM on the team needs a stern talking to as well as that GTL as well as retraining. None of you had any business trespassing and would have served you right if that "old man" as you described made contact. A shining example of why the org can't be taken serious in ES.I'd be a little cautious against jumping on the GTL. I've been on SAREXs and actual missions where we were told to "get off my property" (multiple expletives and references to tyrannical government deleted); however, we had never once gone on to any personal property and always remained on a public road. Often times when you get out into certain areas, dressed the way we dress, people take offense and want you gone; regardless of your legal right to be there.
A GT has no legal right to tresspass on private party.
Can we have an update to the MCOC that talks about benefit of the doubt?https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/benefit_of_the_doubtShort version: in the absence of information otherwise, can CAP-Talk posters give the benefit of the doubt? Why is everybody spring-loaded into the "THEY WERE WRONG!" mode when something is posted?I took from OP's story that they were standing on a road, near the entrance to a trail, where a No Trespassing sign was seen, with a house 200 yards away. (this sounds like the opening to the game Zork!)Its not hard, based on OP's story and giving the benefit of the doubt, to assume that a) it was a public road; b) they did not go down the trail and past the No Trespassing sign because they OP's story never said it was a private road and he didn't mention that they ventured past the sign.Otherwise:
Nope no benefit of doubt OP stated they ignored the sign..
Quote from: abdsp51 on December 18, 2017, 01:42:17 PMNope no benefit of doubt OP stated they ignored the sign.. Just so you know, it's stuff like this that makes everyone hate CAPTalk, just sayin'.
As far as I'm aware, the incident was never reported up the chain.
Quote from: jeders on December 18, 2017, 01:49:25 PMQuote from: abdsp51 on December 18, 2017, 01:42:17 PMNope no benefit of doubt OP stated they ignored the sign.. Just so you know, it's stuff like this that makes everyone hate CAPTalk, just sayin'.Just so you know. Its in black and white. Either the story is true in wich case the OP got what was coming to him/her or its pure bs meant to make him/her look tactikewl. Still goes back to the post the OP trespassed and owner took action. Bad judgement used by the GTL and or SM. No benefit of the doubt applies since the OP admitted to the infraction. But I guess no trespassing means something different in your neck of the woods.
This is a critical information piece for an IC and mission staff. Not reporting this should result in pulled GTL qualifications and Senior Member disciplinary action.
Assuming the sign was placed with regard to the trail, we ignored it and proceeded to get our L-per reading.
More importantly is that the OP says he saw an old man on the porch with a shotgun, who apparently shot at them or fired a weapon to scare them, yet no mention of who resuscitated the IC when they told him the story, nor how much jail time the old man got.
Go back and read everything I have posted. There was no bias as you claim. I have posted that if there was validity multiple times. The whole team used bad judgement. They ignored a no trespassing sign (OPs) own admission. That road could very well have been someone's property. So either one of the following is true:1) This true in which case the team got what they deserved. Committed an illegal act and jeopardized lives. And that entire team is darn lucky. And again that GTL and or SM needs retraining and stern talking too.2) This is some tactikewl bs story that needs to be called and shut down.
So there was this one time on a SAREX (the beginning of every great story) when we were driving around in our '95 chevy van, looking for an ELT. We stopped along some tiny backroad in the middle of nowhere. The nearest building was a small mobile home about 200 yards away, on the opposite side of the road. As we stepped out, we noticed a 'no trespassing' sign at the entrance to a trail. Assuming the sign was placed with regard to the trail, we ignored it and proceeded to get our L-per reading. About 20 seconds later, we heard a sharp crack that sounded suspiciously like a gunshot. The GTL cautiously peeked around the van and shouted some words that I won't repeat here. We loaded in the van and drove away faster than a fat kid at a dessert bar. I looked out the back window to see an old man wielding a shotgun on the front porch of the mobile home. We heard two more shots as we drove away. As far as I'm aware, the incident was never reported up the chain. Even to this day, those who were there consider it a touchy subject. So yeah, there's my tall tale that actually happened.
My topics always seem to be so controversial :/ We didn't go tromping around on their property, we stopped on the side of the road, near a no trespassing sign. The sign was posted at the entrance to a trail. As far as we can tell, the man probably thought we were about to hunt on his land, considering the camouflage and orange vests we wore.