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Question: Is it really necessary to put the words "Civil Air Patrol" on every patch, badge, or other insignia used or worn on the CAP uniform?
Yes, use it on everything.
No, it only really needs to appear once.
It doesn't matter, you're making a a big deal out of nothing.

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Hawk200
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« on: December 10, 2017, 01:14:33 PM »

Been looking at various accoutrements on the CAP uniform, and noticed that a lot of different patches/badges/etc. have the words "Civil Air Patrol" on them.

I'm just wondering if anyone else thinks that placing the words "Civil Air Patrol" on the uniform more than once is really necessary. (Saw the new design of a patch for a wing I was formerly in, and was a little disappointed that the words "Civil Air Patrol" had been added to the patch. Disappointed because it wasn't really necessary, and I don't think it looks as good as the old one.)

So, just a quick curiosity poll. Agree? Disagree? NBD?
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NIN
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« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2017, 01:43:40 PM »

Your choices aren't that awesome. :)

I mean, yeah, they probably don't ALL need to say Civil Air Patrol.   I think I'd rather we had better heraldry and design.
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« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2017, 03:12:07 PM »

+1.
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kwe1009
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« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2017, 11:48:54 AM »

Your choices aren't that awesome. :)

I mean, yeah, they probably don't ALL need to say Civil Air Patrol.   I think I'd rather we had better heraldry and design.

+100000

I think we have had the heraldry and design guidance long enough to that we should be making a stronger effort to transition old patches to the new requirements.  I would also like to see size limitations enforced.  I have some cadets that received patches from Region events that are actually bigger than their pockets.  Is there really a need to have over sized patches?
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« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2017, 02:05:51 PM »

It's even more pronounced in Scouting. They put the organizational name on so many different insignia, you might end up wearing multiple patches that each say BSA or Boy Scouts of America. If you look at military insignia, you almost never see the service name on badges and patches, except ID tapes on utility-type uniforms. The uniform itself serves as our statement of who and what we are as an organization.

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etodd
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« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2017, 02:36:39 PM »


 The uniform itself serves as our statement of who and what we are as an organization.


You can never have enough badges, patches and awards. Start running them down your legs if you need more room. ;)

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PHall
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« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2017, 09:50:52 PM »


 The uniform itself serves as our statement of who and what we are as an organization.


You can never have enough badges, patches and awards. Start running them down your legs if you need more room. ;)



Jokes on you, that's actually Body Armor!
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TheSkyHornet
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« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2017, 12:19:31 AM »


 The uniform itself serves as our statement of who and what we are as an organization.


You can never have enough badges, patches and awards. Start running them down your legs if you need more room. ;)



You for make fun Supreme Leader? To be with camp for reeducation for make of respect.
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Fubar
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« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2017, 10:25:47 PM »

What I tend to see is "US Air Force Auxiliary" all over the place, often in place of our organization's name. Same thing with business cards, the look on someone's face when I ask if they're in the Civil Air Patrol after they hand me their business card is amusing, their reaction when I mention it's not mentioned on their card is priceless.
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« Reply #9 on: December 13, 2017, 12:07:02 AM »

Your choices aren't that awesome. :)

I mean, yeah, they probably don't ALL need to say Civil Air Patrol.   I think I'd rather we had better heraldry and design.

+100000

I think we have had the heraldry and design guidance long enough to that we should be making a stronger effort to transition old patches to the new requirements.

I'd prefer to see squadrons with old patches grandfathered and not bothered by wing about such things unless they are willing to put in all of the effort vs just telling a squadron to do something about it and making life annoying when we're trying to prioritize on things like D&C, ES, AE, Cyberpatriot, Color Guard, O-Flights, etc.
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Levi Lockling
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« Reply #10 on: December 13, 2017, 08:31:28 AM »


 The uniform itself serves as our statement of who and what we are as an organization.


You can never have enough badges, patches and awards. Start running them down your legs if you need more room. ;)



You for make fun Supreme Leader? To be with camp for reeducation for make of respect.
You've been made a moderator of r/Pyongyang

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TheSkyHornet
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« Reply #11 on: December 13, 2017, 10:16:05 AM »

What I tend to see is "US Air Force Auxiliary" all over the place, often in place of our organization's name. Same thing with business cards, the look on someone's face when I ask if they're in the Civil Air Patrol after they hand me their business card is amusing, their reaction when I mention it's not mentioned on their card is priceless.

We tend to list both on our certificates and handouts. Obviously, we don't repeat "Civil Air Patrol" on a certificate, with the exception of maybe "CAP" next to someone's grade.

As far as on the uniform, it really only needs to be once. If you have a nameplate that says "Civil Air Patrol," the epaulettes don't really need to have "CAP" on them, nor do the qualification badges. That's where it becomes a bit redundant. If it's on small badges/medals, it's not so much a big deal, for me at least.

I would assume the reason service dress insignia has "CAP" on there is to keep with the practice of looking distinctive enough to not be mistaken for military. Just a guess.

To me, overall, it's a fairly petty issue on top of every other issue there is with uniforms, let alone the real issues we have in the organization that can feasibly be fixed over time. I voted it as a non-issue. I have my thoughts, but it's never something I considered bringing up at the gripe table.
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Salty_Airman
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« Reply #12 on: December 18, 2017, 03:01:24 PM »


 The uniform itself serves as our statement of who and what we are as an organization.


You can never have enough badges, patches and awards. Start running them down your legs if you need more room. ;)



You for make fun Supreme Leader? To be with camp for reeducation for make of respect.

We could beat the DPRK with a magnet!
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PHall
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« Reply #13 on: December 18, 2017, 10:00:48 PM »


 The uniform itself serves as our statement of who and what we are as an organization.


You can never have enough badges, patches and awards. Start running them down your legs if you need more room. ;)



You for make fun Supreme Leader? To be with camp for reeducation for make of respect.

We could beat the DPRK with a magnet!

If they were iron or steel, which they aren't...
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LATORRECA
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« Reply #14 on: December 26, 2017, 05:56:53 PM »


 The uniform itself serves as our statement of who and what we are as an organization.


You can never have enough badges, patches and awards. Start running them down your legs if you need more room. ;)



You for make fun Supreme Leader? To be with camp for reeducation for make of respect.
It's funny they use their medals as flak jackets. Dumb N. Koreans.

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« Reply #15 on: January 02, 2018, 01:24:17 AM »

What I tend to see is "US Air Force Auxiliary" all over the place, often in place of our organization's name. Same thing with business cards, the look on someone's face when I ask if they're in the Civil Air Patrol after they hand me their business card is amusing, their reaction when I mention it's not mentioned on their card is priceless.

That's sad. We have a brand issue, but part of it is that people value our legal status over our name.

In the wake of Hurricane Irma this year, you may remember the CAP hangar at the Naples, Fla., airport was demolished. On its side was a sign, with all letters the same size:

U.S. AIR FORCE AUXILIARY
CIVIL AIR PATROL

Let's get this crap straight, already. Flip the lines, and make the bottom one smaller. You don't even know what organization you're part of?
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Mitchell 1969
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« Reply #16 on: January 02, 2018, 04:16:27 AM »

What I tend to see is "US Air Force Auxiliary" all over the place, often in place of our organization's name. Same thing with business cards, the look on someone's face when I ask if they're in the Civil Air Patrol after they hand me their business card is amusing, their reaction when I mention it's not mentioned on their card is priceless.

That's sad. We have a brand issue, but part of it is that people value our legal status over our name.

In the wake of Hurricane Irma this year, you may remember the CAP hangar at the Naples, Fla., airport was demolished. On its side was a sign, with all letters the same size:

U.S. AIR FORCE AUXILIARY
CIVIL AIR PATROL

Let's get this crap straight, already. Flip the lines, and make the bottom one smaller. You don't even know what organization you're part of?

Uh, isn’t equal size, Civil Air Patrol on the bottom the way the words appear on the corporate seal?


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« Reply #17 on: January 14, 2018, 11:04:30 PM »

Indeed, it is, and it has been since the mid-1980s. But the name is still Civil Air Patrol.
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etodd
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« Reply #18 on: January 14, 2018, 11:20:41 PM »

Is this ok:

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« Reply #19 on: January 15, 2018, 04:16:12 AM »

Indeed, it is, and it has been since the mid-1980s. But the name is still Civil Air Patrol.

So, if the Corporate seal has

UNITED STATES AIR FORCE AUXILIARY
CIVIL AIR PATROL

in that order and in the same size letters, why do you believe it necessary for a CAP unit to show the words the other way around and have US AIR FORCE AUXILIARY in smaller letters in order to “...get this crap straight?” Shouldn’t you be either quoting a regulation about now, ie producing a letter of appointment as the “Get This Crap Straight ” arbiter?


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