If you were a gambling man...

[Angus]

Have you asked?   No really....have you submitted a white paper to the NUC with your concerns and possible solutions?
That's not too much to ask, is it?

IF, IF, I post my White Paper for the third time, will you please review and critique?  I am asking this as a favour from a former enlisted ANG Airman and current CAP Captain to a retired USAF SNCO and current CAP SNCO.

It is very well organised, I think - I have done technical and business writing and am experienced with drafting proposals.  It has explanations for all my positions and photographs, phase-in/phase-out times (taken from my experience in systems analysis), and is relatively short and more minimum-change than you might think.

I am asking this to see if, in YOUR opinion, it would stand any sort of chance.  I would not ask for your opinion if I did not want it.

We did have a nicer corporate uniform however it went away because of the it's creator.  If that had gone through the correct vetting process it might still exist in some shape or form today.

But it does not, unfortunately, and it is seeming to become The Uniform Topic That Shall Not Be Named.

I'd be interested in seeing the proposal you have.  PM it to me. 

And yes the TPU does seem to be the uniform topic that doesn't get mentioned often.

[NC Hokie]

I am not saying everyone should be in Blues, But....

There are people with legitimate Weight Issues, IE: Disability. If they can wear the uniform properly nice and neat and pressed etc, why should they not?

Quite frankly, if you make exemptions for one subset of the larger/whiskered crowd, you need to exempt them all, otherwise, you're just institutionalizing what we already have now re: some of those members wearing the blues while others in the same group do not.  There's also this:

Outsider - "Why is that guy wearing a monochrome uniform?"

Member - "He can't wear the USAF style uniform because he does not meet the published height and weight requirements."

Outsider - "Oh. Why isn't that shorter, rounder guy in the same uniform?"

[Eclipse]

I don't recall >any< uniform combination referred to as the "TPU", of course them again
a lot of people still use the term "officer" as the generic for adult CAP members, even though that
was never adopted nor correct.

[Eclipse]

Outsider - "Oh. Why isn't that shorter, rounder guy in the same uniform?"

He's "Comprehensionally challenged".

[THRAWN]

I am not saying everyone should be in Blues, But....

There are people with legitimate Weight Issues, IE: Disability. If they can wear the uniform properly nice and neat and pressed etc, why should they not?

Quite frankly, if you make exemptions for one subset of the larger/whiskered crowd, you need to exempt them all, otherwise, you're just institutionalizing what we already have now re: some of those members wearing the blues while others in the same group do not.  There's also this:

Outsider - "Why is that guy wearing a monochrome uniform?"

Member - "He can't wear the USAF style uniform because he does not meet the published height and weight requirements."

Outsider - "Oh. Why isn't that shorter, rounder guy in the same uniform?"

You do realize that a blue shirt and blue pants are monochrome as well, right?

Why make exemptions for anyone? There are two roads: everybody in blue or everybody in something else. Nothing makes me grind my teeth more than seeing some guy who never wore a uniform in his life strutting around in his new blues with his shiny new railroad tracks (because he is a pilot, after all...) and being treated like he is the best thing since pockets. Meanwhile, some guy who weighs a few pounds over the max is relegated to the white shirt, never mind that he got a Silver Star and lost a leg at Khe Sahn.

My point? Get seniors into their own uniforms, out of the AF uni. What should it look like? Not my call. There have been quite a few good proposals floated over the past several months but institutional inertia keeps bringing us back here.

[The CyBorg is destroyed]

I'd be interested in seeing the proposal you have.  PM it to me. 

I would, except that in PMs there doesn't seem to be a way to attach Word files, or else I just don't know how.

My point? Get seniors into their own uniforms, out of the AF uni. What should it look like? Not my call. There have been quite a few good proposals floated over the past several months but institutional inertia keeps bringing us back here.

And that "institutional inertia" keeps bringing us back to the same point: Seniors HAVE a uniform, CAP has decided that WILL be the uniform...so suck it up and go get your grey/whites and blazer.

[THRAWN]

Anybody else notice that this topic was read like 2800 times? We really need to get to work on planning and training DR ops.....

[Майор Хаткевич]

That's all the F5s and look backs from the same people, generally following and posting.

[Angus]

I don't recall >any< uniform combination referred to as the "TPU", of course them again
a lot of people still use the term "officer" as the generic for adult CAP members, even though that
was never adopted nor correct.

TPU was never the official name.  This was the Corporate Service Uniform created by HWSNBN. 

[Майор Хаткевич]

I remember calling it the TPU in "the field". Of course I picked up the term here on CAPTalk.

[THRAWN]

I remember calling it the TPU in "the field". Of course I picked up the term here on CAPTalk.

I called it the "what the fudge is THAT?!!?"

[Eclipse]

TPU was never the official name.  This was the Corporate Service Uniform created by HWSNBN.

Which is how it should be referenced.

[lordmonar]

TPU was never the official name.  This was the Corporate Service Uniform created by HWSNBN.

Which is how it should be referenced.

Why?  It is not like it is a uniform anymore.

[Eclipse]

TPU was never the official name.  This was the Corporate Service Uniform created by HWSNBN.

Which is how it should be referenced.

Why?  It is not like it is a uniform anymore.

Actually, it will always be a CAP uniform, it just isn't approved for wear - no different then
the 4-pocket jacket for seniors, green fatigues, light blue nomex flight suit or even the woodland BDU
which will shortly be sundowned in favor of the blue field uniform.

[Luis R. Ramos]

Semantics, so it does not cause confusion in the future, if a similar uniform does get approved... Eclipse is right...

[lordmonar]

Semantics, so it does not cause confusion in the future, if a similar uniform does get approved... Eclipse is right...

Eclipse is a hypocrite.....but that's okay.

[Eclipse]

Semantics, so it does not cause confusion in the future, if a similar uniform does get approved... Eclipse is right...

Eclipse is a hypocrite.....but that's okay.

Cite please.

[Garibaldi]

Semantics, so it does not cause confusion in the future, if a similar uniform does get approved... Eclipse is right...

Eclipse is a hypocrite.....but that's okay.

Cite please.

Bahahahahaha!!!!

[lordmonar]

Semantics, so it does not cause confusion in the future, if a similar uniform does get approved... Eclipse is right...

Eclipse is a hypocrite.....but that's okay.

Cite please.

A....you have never brought anyone to task for saying TPU and I just searched there are at least 5 threads with TPU in the subject line.
B....you use the term BBDU all the time....when you really mean the Blue Field Uniform.
C....You must have said "blues" when you really meant USAF Service or USAF Service Dress Uniforms.

So....yeah....you are just trying to be "right" once again.

[Eclipse]

TPU is a derogatory term meant to denigrate the wearer (in most cases) and make a statement about
the uniform, those other terms are not.

I intended that post to make the point, not an issue with abbreviations in general.

Love it or hate it, the CSU is and always will be a CAP uniform, just as the McPeak jackets will
always be a USAF uniform.