Sigh...setting up a Blazer for my G/Ws

Started by Майор Хаткевич, March 04, 2014, 11:52:55 PM

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I think this is why so many people don't mind the corporate kit...it's cheap and not standardised.

About any white shirt, grey trousers and dark-blue jacket will work.
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Майор Хаткевич

Quote from: CyBorg on March 05, 2014, 11:49:07 PM
I think this is why so many people don't mind the corporate kit...it's cheap and not standardised.

About any white shirt, grey trousers and dark-blue jacket will work.


They could at least specify item placement...they do for the shirt.

Devil Doc

I used my Long/Short Sleeve Aviator underneath my Blazer, Lol. It said White Shirt. BTW, I found an cool Aviator Alternative for those guys not wanting to buy the Aviators.


http://www.army.mil/asu/changes.html


Army Class B White Shirt are Perfect for the Grays and Whites.
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UH60guy

As a proud owner of the Ice Cream Man Uniform ASU I will warn you that some of the supply comes with military creases- which is a no-go in 39-1.

Edit: at least it is for the blues, I haven't checked for the G/Ws though. Maybe you're right but they are prohibited for other uniform combinations, so I'd hesitate before getting whites with the creases regardless of their mention in 39-1.
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Devil Doc

According to the 39-1, with the Gray and Whites, It does not say anything about the Sewn In Creases. As matter of fact it just says aviator style white shirt with Epaulettes.
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AlphaSigOU

Quote from: Devil Doc on March 06, 2014, 05:45:17 PM
I used my Long/Short Sleeve Aviator underneath my Blazer, Lol. It said White Shirt. BTW, I found an cool Aviator Alternative for those guys not wanting to buy the Aviators.


http://www.army.mil/asu/changes.html


Army Class B White Shirt are Perfect for the Grays and Whites.

Won't work... the private purchase (Marlow-White) Army white shirt straight off the rack has pre-sewn military creases (I haven't gone into the Redstone Arsenal MCSS to check and see if the DSCP Army-issue shirt already has the pre-sewn creases or not.) Military creases on the white shirt are strengstens verboten in the draft 39-1, the current version is silent about them.
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Devil Doc

I dont see anywhere where it is not Allowed.
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VNY

Quote from: Devil Doc on March 06, 2014, 06:51:19 PMI dont see anywhere where it is not Allowed.

It is written specifically to disallow security guard shirts - it identifies them three ways:  sewn in creases, scalloped pockets and badge eyelets.  Army shirts will not have the latter two.

The CyBorg is destroyed

Quote from: VNY on March 06, 2014, 07:35:45 PM
Quote from: Devil Doc on March 06, 2014, 06:51:19 PMI dont see anywhere where it is not Allowed.

It is written specifically to disallow security guard shirts - it identifies them three ways:  sewn in creases, scalloped pockets and badge eyelets.  Army shirts will not have the latter two.

Meaning: they want you to buy the one Vanguard sells.
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AlphaSigOU

Quote from: CyBorg on March 06, 2014, 08:15:21 PM
Quote from: VNY on March 06, 2014, 07:35:45 PM
Quote from: Devil Doc on March 06, 2014, 06:51:19 PMI dont see anywhere where it is not Allowed.

It is written specifically to disallow security guard shirts - it identifies them three ways:  sewn in creases, scalloped pockets and badge eyelets.  Army shirts will not have the latter two.

Meaning: they want you to buy the one Vanguard sells.

Not necessarily so... the manual specifies an 'aviator' shirt. By definition an 'aviator' shirt is a military-style uniform shirt with flap pockets and epaulets. Coincidentally, and I wouldn't have put it past them by design, Van Heusen makes a shirt branded 'The Aviator', which is - of course - sold by Scamguard Vanguard. (They suck, in my opinion; there are better quality white 'aviator' shirts that more closely resemble the blue AF-style shirt with mitered pockets. Go to www.pilotshirts.com - their pinpoint oxford is what I wear for G/W.)
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Майор Хаткевич

I've got the commander style shirts. Not sure how I feel about it. Seems a gray area by ommission. All nhq pictures always had the aviator shirts, ang VG stocking those screams 'intended' to me.

SarDragon

In the olde Bookstore/CAP Mart catalogs, the Van Heusen Aviator was specified. These are available, not only through Vanguard, but locally at pilot shops, which is my source. They are frequently a little cheaper there, and there's no shipping involved.
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Майор Хаткевич

I like the look of the shirt that mimics the blues shirt, and when you do search for an "aviator shirt" on google images, it certainly shows all sorts, but again, I feel like the intent was to get a shirt wit pointy pockets, so here we are.

arajca

Several NB meetings ago, in Reno, I brought this subject up to Ms. Parker. Her response was the pocket style did not matter.

a2capt

..and all those ICLs, manuals, and memos were written before the Big V handover.

As for what the *draft* says..  It's a -draft- so I wouldn't be weighing anything on it.

a2capt

Quote from: arajca on March 07, 2014, 02:36:05 AMSeveral NB meetings ago, in Reno, I brought this subject up to Ms. Parker. Her response was the pocket style did not matter.
..and that is somewhat of an issue. Interpretations by non-member staffers.. have mostly been "correct-enough", but not always.

Devil Doc

So Again, An Army ASU class B shirt can be worn.
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VNY

Quote from: Devil Doc on March 07, 2014, 03:38:02 PMSo Again, An Army ASU class B shirt can be worn.

And is probably preferable, since its probably made to have stuff pinned on all over it.

AlphaSigOU

Quote from: Devil Doc on March 07, 2014, 03:38:02 PM
So Again, An Army ASU class B shirt can be worn.

Even the DLATS (troop issue) ASU shirt has pre-sewn military creases. When the new 39-1 comes out it'll be verboten for wear.
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Gill Robb Wilson Award (#2901 - 2011)
Amelia Earhart Award (#1257 - 1982) - C/Major (retired)
Billy Mitchell Award (#2375 - 1981)
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Nellis Composite Squadron (PCR-NV-069)
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VNY

Quote from: AlphaSigOU on March 07, 2014, 06:41:36 PM
Quote from: Devil Doc on March 07, 2014, 03:38:02 PMSo Again, An Army ASU class B shirt can be worn.
Even the DLATS (troop issue) ASU shirt has pre-sewn military creases. When the new 39-1 comes out it'll be verboten for wear.

Every white shirt I use for CAP will be unauthorized when that regulation comes out.