legalized marijuana ... what will CAP do ?

[Private Investigator]

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Whatever   

[Johnny Yuma]

Y'all are making my head hurt.

First off, the .gov and congress have been abusing and running roughshod over the Interstate Commerce clause in the Constitution for decades now. Granted, legal marijuana isn't exactly my cause celebre, but my assertion still remains.

Secondly, the only way we'd ever be able to prove positive that any member (or prospective member) partakes in the herb is to piss test every Senior and cadet. Not gonna happen. NHQ, Inc. doesn't have the money and I'm not paying to whizz in a cup to prove to NHQ, Inc. that I'm clean. I'll find other things to do with my time and money.

Third, I find it amusing that NHQ, Inc. tells our cadets drugs are bad, alcohol's bad and provide them with a complete moral leadership program while at the same time we held our National Board meetings exactly where in Reno and Los Vegas? Yeah, that big room between the casino floor, next to the bar and across the hall from the topless showgirls' review

[Flying Pig]

Y'all are making my head hurt.

First off, the .gov and congress have been abusing and running roughshod over the Interstate Commerce clause in the Constitution for decades now. Granted, legal marijuana isn't exactly my cause celebre, but my assertion still remains.

Secondly, the only way we'd ever be able to prove positive that any member (or prospective member) partakes in the herb is to piss test every Senior and cadet. Not gonna happen. NHQ, Inc. doesn't have the money and I'm not paying to whizz in a cup to prove to NHQ, Inc. that I'm clean. I'll find other things to do with my time and money.

Third, I find it amusing that NHQ, Inc. tells our cadets drugs are bad, alcohol's bad and provide them with a complete moral leadership program while at the same time we held our National Board meetings exactly where in Reno and Los Vegas? Yeah, that big room between the casino floor, next to the bar and across the hall from the topless showgirls' review

Massive PR flaw on the part of the NHQ PIO...Can SOMEONE please tell me why this wasnt in the announcement for the National Board meeting?

[a2capt]

Massive PR flaw on the part of the NHQ PIO...Can SOMEONE please tell me why this wasn't in the announcement for the National Board meeting?

They would have surely sold out faster than Comic-Con on that one. Come on. 

[MSG Mac]

The next National Conference is in Denver, CO, not Las Vegas or Reno, though I do agree that the previous conferences at these sites were ill advised.

[Garibaldi]

The next National Conference is in Denver, CO, not Las Vegas or Reno, though I do agree that the previous conferences at these sites were ill advised.

Denver. Colorado. What am I missing here? :angel:

[a2capt]

Denver. Colorado. What am I missing here? :angel:

Pretty soon, it won't be that Rocky Mountain High ..

[jimmydeanno]

Wasn't NVWG's HQ right across the street from Bo-peeps Gentlemen's Club at some point?

[Майор Хаткевич]

Wasn't NVWG's HQ right across the street from Bo-peeps Gentlemen's Club at some point?

After meeting/SLS/CLC/TLC the members could go and relax?

[JeffDG]

Wasn't NVWG's HQ right across the street from Bo-peeps Gentlemen's Club at some point?

Is there anywhere in LV that isn't across the street from a "Gentlemen's Club"?

[Thrashed]

Don't all cities have strip clubs?

[Майор Хаткевич]

Not as prevalent as NV.

[AirDX]

Las Vegas has an abundance of relatively cheap rooms and great airline service (read relatively cheap tickets) to most of the country. It a city like any other, with good points and bad points. There's no reason to stigmatize it - and especially not Reno. I went to a PCR meeting there last year, stated out of the casino and couldn't tell the difference between there and any other place with a hotel and a meeting room. The best RSC in the country takes place at Las Vegas as well, so everybody just relax.

[Eclipse]

Las Vegas has an abundance of relatively cheap rooms and great airline service (read relatively cheap tickets) to most of the country. It a city like any other, with good points and bad points. There's no reason to stigmatize it - and especially not Reno. I went to a PCR meeting there last year, stated out of the casino and couldn't tell the difference between there and any other place with a hotel and a meeting room. The best RSC in the country takes place at Las Vegas as well, so everybody just relax.

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[Garibaldi]

We had a small discussion about what CAP would do due to the legalization of pot in CO and WA. While our constituency is mainly conservative, with me being the lone liberal in the arena, we pretty much all saw eye to eye on several things:

1. Would CAP foot the bill for drug testing for new members? Probably not, at least not for the majority of members. Perhaps for mission-critical slots like drivers and pilots, especially CD pilots, and perhaps those directly influencing cadets like the DCC, CC and leadership officers.

2. What would CAP do in the event of an accident involving corporate assets or the injury of members? We agreed that CAP should test for evidence of drug or alcohol in the system, but who would pay for it?

3. What about cadet use? Specifically, how would it relate to DDR? We already have CAP cadets who have either tried or are regular users of alcohol and other intoxicants, so does DDR realistically work? I'd hate to think that all the money CAP spends on this program would be torn asunder just because some hippie granola-crunching frisbee chucking yurt-toting cheeba monkeys wanted to experience a real Rocky Mountain high.

4. How would CAP treat recreational use outside of CAP? Specifically, would it be like alcohol use? Obviously, if the call came and you were not in the right frame of mind or sober, you could not participate on a mission, but how would this relate to recreational use of pot? I'm not sure how long the THC remains active in your system after using it, but what if 6 months down the line you're in a plane or van and you had an accident, and they tested you for intoxicants, and you came up positive? What would be the outcome if you were a brand-new 18 to 21 year old SM who made a decision to try it once at a party because it's legal and 6 months later you tested positive after accidentally damaging a van? This would not be a case of "he was high/drunk while he was operating a CAP asset and caused injury to CAP members" but more of a case of "Well, he had trace amounts of THC in his system but swears he has not touched the stuff in 6 months or so, so what do we do?" Do we require an admission of use as part of the membership process like ROTC and the military does, as part of the core values of integrity and honor?

Guess this really does require a lot of study and thought.

[JeffDG]

Guess this really does require a lot of study and thought.

Not nearly as much as you make out.

First:  Regardless of state laws, Marijuana is still illegal under the Controlled Substance Act everywhere in the United States.  Period, end of discussion.

All the state actions do is remove the concurrent state illegality, they do not impair the federal illegality in any way, shape, or form.  Even the receipt of a license from the state for medical marijuana does not impair illegality under the CSA, and those who exercise such a license are still subject to the full weight of federal criminal sanctions for their possession, distribution and/or cultivation.

[cm42]

...  Period, end of discussion.

Maybe if there's an amendment to the Constitution, it will really end the discussion. 

[sarmed1]

Part of it is easy......CAP as a private organization can ban any practice it doesnt want its members involved in (legal or illegal).  So easily enough it can say, NO; irregardless of state legality, you will not as a member be found voluntarily or involuntarily to have MJ in your system. If you do its a 2B offense.  Dont like the policy, dont be a member.

Prosecuting the same member for an "illegal" behavior is where the tricky part is...I feel fairly certain that if you live in CO and you call the FBI/DEA they are not going to come over to the local squadron to cite/arrest a member for a few joints in their cigarette case (unless of course you meet on a federal facility....whole new twist)

mk

[abdsp51]

No place in the organization.

[JeffDG]

...  Period, end of discussion.

Maybe if there's an amendment to the Constitution, it will really end the discussion. 

Well, the Supreme Court has ruled specifically on the issue, and they were quite clear that even a state license was no form of protection from federal prosecution, and what we're talking about in CO is purely recreational, so no licenses will be issued in that cease anyway.