Visiting young marines or sea cadet unit

Started by cadetesman, July 07, 2012, 01:37:26 AM

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SarDragon

Quote from: N Harmon on July 08, 2012, 04:01:13 PM
Quote from: SarDragon on July 07, 2012, 10:03:15 PM
FTFY. Current wisdom is to capitalize them all, as I have done.

I'm not sure that is correct. I believe the correct capitalization of titles varies on how they are used.

For example:

       
  • Among us today are Airmen, Sailors, Soldiers, and Marines.
  • Emily is a United States Marine.
  • You passed the rifle qualification course, Marine.
  • I am planning a visit to the Young Marines.
  • John Smith, a Marine serving in Afghanistan, was awarded the Navy Cross for heroic actions during the war.

Nope. Unless it's obvious that you are referring to non-US folks, using marine as a modifier, or talking about non-military people, it's capitalized. The style guides I've seen in the last couple of years have been adopting that form.

Once again, it appears that the Marines have set the standard.   ;)
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SarDragon

Regarding my comment about limited usefulness - I was not trying to trivialize the responses. There was a lot of good information passed. But, when the rubber hits the road, it's up to the unit commander whether the OP can actually use any of that info. It's the commander's ultimate responsibility.
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bflynn

Quote from: BillB on July 08, 2012, 07:04:16 PM
Like CAP is the Auxiliary of the Air Force, aren't the Marines the Auxiliary of the Navy?

No, no, no.  The marines are the army branch of the Navy.  Naval aviation is the air force of the Navy.

There's no direct correlation of submarines to anything else, but that's understandable.

bflynn

Quote from: Flying Pig on July 08, 2012, 04:17:58 PM
I guess the sarcasm of the smiley face was missed.

No, just the sarcasm in the response...

titanII

Quote from: bflynn on July 09, 2012, 01:44:27 AM
  The marines are the army branch of the Navy.  Naval aviation is the air force of the Navy.
So USMC Aviation is the air force of the army branch of the Navy?
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N Harmon

Quote from: SarDragon on July 09, 2012, 12:42:16 AMUnless it's obvious that you are referring to non-US folks, using marine as a modifier, or talking about non-military people, it's capitalized. The style guides I've seen in the last couple of years have been adopting that form.

Which style guides? AFH 33-337 (The Tongue and Quill) points out the instances where it would not be capitalized. See page 321:

QuoteNOTE: If Army, Navy, or Air Force can be used logically for Marines, use M. If the word soldier or soldiers logically fits it, use m.

Michael Johnson enlisted in the Marines.
three marines
a Marine landing
a company of Marines
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a2capt

Yup, that's how I basically do it in general. If the word is usable as a proper name in the context, it's capitalized. If not, no special treatment.

knifehand

Quote from: bflynn on July 07, 2012, 10:20:37 AM
Quote from: Flying Pig on July 07, 2012, 04:10:16 AM
BTW, Marine is ALWAYS capitalized  ;)

So you say there are airmen, sailors, soliders and Marines?  Sorry, but english grammar says otherwise.  As great as marines are, they are just another noun.

Besides, having once worked in a highly demanding undersea marine environment, I can tell you that it isn't always capitalized.

That is EXACTLY what he means to say. Whether you think so or not, you failed to see that "Young Marine" and "Sea Cadet" are proper nouns, and should be capitalized as such. For someone so educated in the English language you sure don't know a very large part of it. Ditto for English.

/rant

knifehand

Quote from: AngelWings on July 08, 2012, 07:11:46 PM
This is NOT the Facebook group "You know you're in CAP when..."

LOL. This is worse than that page.

knifehand

Quote from: N Harmon on July 09, 2012, 04:09:59 AM
Quote from: SarDragon on July 09, 2012, 12:42:16 AMUnless it's obvious that you are referring to non-US folks, using marine as a modifier, or talking about non-military people, it's capitalized. The style guides I've seen in the last couple of years have been adopting that form.

Which style guides? AFH 33-337 (The Tongue and Quill) points out the instances where it would not be capitalized. See page 321:

QuoteNOTE: If Army, Navy, or Air Force can be used logically for Marines, use M. If the word soldier or soldiers logically fits it, use m.

Michael Johnson enlisted in the Marines.
three marines
a Marine landing
a company of Marines

Please enlighten me on when an AIR FORCE publication governed the use of the word Marine (as in, MARINE CORPS, not AIR FORCE.)

Eclipse

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Quote from: knifehand on July 11, 2012, 01:31:33 AMPlease enlighten me on when an AIR FORCE publication governed the use of the word Marine (as in, MARINE CORPS, not AIR FORCE.)

It governs how the Air Force uses the term, and is referenced as the authority on correspondence for CAP.

"That Others May Zoom"

knifehand

Quote from: Eclipse on July 11, 2012, 01:32:36 AM
Quote from: knifehand on July 11, 2012, 01:31:33 AMPlease enlighten me on when an AIR FORCE publication governed the use of the word Marine (as in, MARINE CORPS, not AIR FORCE.)

It governs how the Air Force uses the term, and it referenced as the authority on correspondence for CAP.

roger, makes a little more sense.

RogueLeader

Quote from: bflynn on July 09, 2012, 01:44:27 AM
Quote from: BillB on July 08, 2012, 07:04:16 PM
Like CAP is the Auxiliary of the Air Force, aren't the Marines the Auxiliary of the Navy?

No, no, no.  The marines are the army branch of the Navy.  Naval aviation is the air force of the Navy.

There's no direct correlation of submarines to anything else, but that's understandable.

Under-sea-able.
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Garibaldi

Quote from: SarDragon on July 09, 2012, 03:14:05 AM
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SarDragon

We're about to get fanged for being off-topic, but I gotta throw in the the last two.

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and

Sailor sez: The Marines are part of the Navy Department

Marine sez: Yeah, the Men's Department.
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AngelWings

A Marine told me this joke: What do you get when you mix a monkey with a Marine? A dumb monkey!

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One last one and I'll quit:

LT Kaffey: You don't like me, do you?
LT Kendrick: No, I like you Navy boys just fine. Whenever we got to go fight, y'all always give us a ride.
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