Former CAP grades vs. Duty Positions

[flyboy53]

Well.....just to throw some gas onto this fire.

There is the argument that we could solve a lot of problems if we just did away with the USAF ranks all together.

Everyone would be a Flight Officer....based on your PD level.

SMWOG grad would be Flight Officer Candidate -gray  epaulet no stripe.
Level I-FO1
Level II-FO2
Level III-FO3
Level IV-FO 4 (new rankslide with 4 stripes)
Level V-FO5 (New rankslide with 5 stripes)

But as someone said....we like our ranks.

I liked being a warrant officer.

Your problem, however, is that any change such as this has to be approved by the Air Force and the Air Force did away with warrant officers back in the 1970s. That's why there are flight officers....and regarding another earlier post, I didn't have a Mitchell Award when I was appointed a warrant officer. It was, however, a transititional rank just like flight officer is now, because I wasn't 21.

[The CyBorg is destroyed]

If you don't, you can be a life long butterbar.

I've known some long-term, if not lifelong, second looies.

The flying club senior squadron I once belonged to had quite a few.  They were all pilots that were only interested in the flying side of CAP and didn't care about PD.

[Major Carrales]

You know what?  We should do away with airplanes as well.  It makes so much sense...after all, during the Civil War where were no aircraft (regards to Robur) and the Union still prospered.  We could instantally drop our airplane related safety mishaps to zero.

...or...

How about aircraft status that is temporary based on position. When an aircraft is in the air it is an airplane and a an aircraft is on the ground it would revert back to being called a van.

That way the number of vans would clearly represent an increase. Aircraft are vans when it is on the ground.

I personally would have no problem trading in all CAP Aircraft for a transformer (I believe the one that does from a ground vehicle to an airplane was called Blitzwing).  But I only speak for myself.

Better yet...

Well.....just to throw some boogers onto the oatmeal.

There is the argument that we could solve a lot of problems if we just did away with machines altogether.

Everyone would be an aircraft....based on your altitude.

Standing on a step ladder would be Aircraft Candidate -no roundel.
Level I-scaffold
Level II-belfrey
Level III-catapult
Level IV-trebuchet (new weight with 4 rocks)
Level V-large slingshot (New sling with 5 rubberbands)

MORAL OF THE STORY--- we already talked about this in another thread but with different words.

But as someone said....we like our rants.

This post is meant to be obsurd and a half-hearted satire...the other half is SERIOUS!!!

[Short Field]

And to look at things in CAP terms for a second...SMWOG + not meeting promotion requirements in 6 months = HUGE problem in my book.

Quick check of my unit showed about 10% of the adult members were SMWOG with over 12 months in CAP - one had over 10 years.  That did not include the Cadet Sponsor Members.

Looking at things in CAP terms - they keep paying their dues so leave them alone.  If they cease to pay squadron dues, they get transferred to 000.  Some people join and pay dues just to support the program.  Others are actually Cadet Sponsor Members but prefer full membership status.  I know one person who pays her dues each year just to honor her Dad's service in CAP before he died.   

Granted there is not a lot required to get promoted to 2Lt - but if they are not actively involved in the squadron and holding down a squadron job, they don't get promoted.  So we just keep cashing their checks..... 

[FW]

OK, before this thread goes fully down the drain, let me remind every one that grade has little bearing on duty assignment; except for NB members and a (very few) other positions in CAP.  I mean, we have a member of the BoG who is a SMWOG.  These discussions have been made in many other threads.  I seriously doubt there will be any real changes made in the next 100000 years but,  hey, ya never know....

[ZigZag911]

I mean, we have a member of the BoG who is a SMWOG.

Yes, but if it's the one I'm thinking of, he is also Lieutenant General, USAF (Retired)!

[FW]

^So??    We're discussing the relationship between CAP grade and duty position.

The plain fact is; except for some special instance, there is none.  Hence we see SMWOG in many duty positions.  Heck, I was a squadron cadet programs officer for about 2 years as a SMWOG.  Didn't matter to anyone.  And, Gen Searock nor, any one else, cares about being a SMWOG either; while he performs his duties as a Wing Logistics Officer or member of the BoG.

Gee, I remember  having this discussion about a year ago.  Too bad I'm too lazy to look it up...

[flyboy53]

I guess the only thing I would like changed is SMWOG, it sounds like a disease. Can't we do something like officer trainee or airman or something?

[SarDragon]

I think we're placing too much emphasis on the label SMWOG.

It's nothing more than a status, describing those members who are neither cadets, nor officers, nor NCOs.

In terms of something to enter into a box labeled Grade, you use SM. That's what pops up in the list on many form templates.

What's the big deal? You have two related, but different situations. Each term fits its own situation.

YMMV.

I can't express it any more simply than that.

[Short Field]

We could call them "General" and let them wear four star rank insignia.  I am sure that would make them feel better than being called a SMWOG.  However, that would probably also kill any further professional development and desire for promotion to 2 Lt from a lot of them.

[vmstan]

I dunno about you guys, but the only place I've ever been referred to as an "SMWOG" was on CAP Talk. Everywhere else I'm just "Senior Member" or "Mister" or "Sir"  :angel:

[MIKE]

Would you prefer FNG, or Cherry instead? 

[kd8gua]

Heh... Maggot and scum come to mind as well... As well as a host of comments from R. Lee Ermey in Full Metal Jacket. About the only thing that is appropriate is "Private Cowboy."  :angel:

[Walkman]

I dunno about you guys, but the only place I've ever been referred to as an "SMWOG" was on CAP Talk. Everywhere else I'm just "Senior Member" or "Mister" or "Sir"  :angel:

Ditto

[The CyBorg is destroyed]

I dunno about you guys, but the only place I've ever been referred to as an "SMWOG" was on CAP Talk. Everywhere else I'm just "Senior Member" or "Mister" or "Sir"  :angel:

I like "Mr" or "Miss/Ms" better than "Senior Member."

[AirAux]

Still trying for that warrant officer designation, huh??  Only joking..

[davidsinn]

I dunno about you guys, but the only place I've ever been referred to as an "SMWOG" was on CAP Talk. Everywhere else I'm just "Senior Member" or "Mister" or "Sir"  :angel:

I like "Mr" or "Miss/Ms" better than "Senior Member."

According to P151, Mr. or Ms. is the correct title.

[The CyBorg is destroyed]

Still trying for that warrant officer designation, huh??  Only joking..

I was thinking more of Star Trek or especially McHale's Navy.

Before I got my BBBB's (berry board butter bars), most addressed me as "Mr.," especially cadets.  I was only called "Senior Member" a few times that I can remember.

[DakRadz]

We could call them "General" and let them wear four star rank insignia.  I am sure that would make them feel better than being called a SMWOG.  However, that would probably also kill any further professional development and desire for promotion to 2 Lt from a lot of them.

:clap:
Hmmm. Maybe the fact that they dislike the name would encourage them to promote, even? Since we're spitballing.

[flyboy53]

Back in the late 60s and early 70s when I was a technical sergeant, it had a lot to do with my age and the criteria necessary to be an officer.

I remember eight enlisted grades (our squadron had a Senior Master Sergeant) and four different types of warrant officers. In that era a warrant officer could be a squadron commander and staff positions were held by enlisted people. I know, I was a squadron administrative and personnel officer at the same time...as a tech sergeant.

Back then, the enlisted types and the warrant officers were all powerful...some were squadron commanders. I think my wing even had a warrant officer briefly as a group commander. The average ranks of the officers at squadron level then were second and first lieutenants. You saw very few captains and even fewer majors...let alone anything higher.

In 1973, CAP elminated enlisted ranks, I was promoted to warrant officer and held that rank roughly six months when I was appointed to second lieutenant because I had a third class radio telephone license. Level I and other promotion requirements changed.

The one good thing about that, was that officer ranks seemed to open up.