All Stop on High Adventure Activities

[Phil Hirons, Jr.]

It also does not address that LE / Mil is not the only acceptable instructors for firearms.

[cap235629]

It also does not address that LE / Mil is not the only acceptable instructors for firearms.

I was told that 4H and CMP marksmanship instructors were going to be included as well.  I know for a fact it is allowed if the wing Commander approves as I had to jump through MANY hoops to get it approved through National....

I wish they would actually do what they say they are going to do.

[Flying Pig]

What a joke.  Gosh,.....I cant understand why my kid thought CAP was boring.

Hes now looking at the Sea Cadets.  Doesnt look like they have any issues with so called High Adventure Activities.  What CAP calls High Adventure is what my kid does with his buddies on the weekends.

TRAINING SCHOOLS
AIRMAN TRAINING (BASIC & ADVANCED)
AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL TRAINING
FAA GROUND SCHOOL
CULINARY ARTS TRAINING
MEDICAL TRAINING (GENERAL, FIELD, SURGICAL & DENTAL TECH)
FIREFIGHTING TRAINING
PHOTO JOURNALISM TRAINING
CEREMONIAL GUARD
SUBMARINE SEMINAR
MARKSMANSHIP TRAINING
CONSTRUCTION BATTALION (SEABEE) TRAINING (BASIC & ADVANCED)
MINE WAREFARE OPERATIONS TRAINING
MUSIC SCHOOL
SEAL TEAM TRAINING
EXPLOSIVE ORDNANCE DISPOSAL TRAINING
AMPHIBIOUS TRAINING
PETTY OFFICER LEADERSHIP ACADEMY
MASTER-AT-ARMS TRAINING (MILITARY POLICE/LAW)
JUDGE ADVOCATED GENERAL (JAG) TRAINING
SAILING SCHOOL
SCUBA SCHOOL
SEAMANSHIP TRAINING
SHIPBOARD TRAINING

LIVE ABOARD NAVY & COAST GUARD SHIPS & SHORE STATIONS FOR TWO-WEEKS.

[Eclipse]

Kudos to the NSCC for their being able to provide some cool things to their cadets, but in most cases the comparison is not fair.

The NSCC has direct support and training from the Navy, including having their RDC's provide basic cadet and other training.
Further, they have no operational mission whatsoever, which means their total focus is on the cadets, and they are also
a whole lot smaller, since the interest in adult members is much lower.

If we could send cadets to Lacklund for a week or two every year, we'd have a whole different cadet corps.

[PA Guy]

While there are some gray areas, not always a bad thing, I can live with this new reg.  All it really requires is that you document everything and takes us away from the "good ole days" when some S/M would decide they were a subject matter expert in some HAA type activity and proceed to teach bad habits or worse get someone hurt.  So, overall it isn't that bad and could have been a lot worse.

[Flying Pig]

Kudos to the NSCC for their being able to provide some cool things to their cadets, but in most cases the comparison is not fair.

The NSCC has direct support and training from the Navy, including having their RDC's provide basic cadet and other training.
Further, they have no operational mission whatsoever, which means their total focus is on the cadets, and they are also
a whole lot smaller, since the interest in adult members is much lower.

If we could send cadets to Lacklund for a week or two every year, we'd have a whole different cadet corps.

Oh, I didnt realize the cadet program had an operational mission.

[Eclipse]

Last I checked cadets were able and encouraged to perform the majority of CAP's ES missions.  Most of the training they
receive is directly relate-able to tasks they can and do perform in real-world missions in the field (except in CAWG, apparently),
and a whole lot of them say they joined to "do ES".

The NSCC trains cadets in a lot of things that are "wicked cool", but not exactly usable unless they join the military, and further, the
majority of senior members in CAP have their attention divided between the CP and ES (some do AE as well).

From the cadet perspective, obviously, the "wicked cool" is all that matters, but CAP is not about a single focus or "wicked cool" - the trouble is
we haven't been manned to complete our mission(s) for 10-15 years (at least), and the increasing amount of administrivia is further reducing the
time spent in mission training and execution (including wicked cool).

While the majority of the unit leaders and staff may be volunteers, a whole lot more of the trainers and training resources are professional
Navy personnel, utilizing equipment that the rest of the year trains Seamen or fights wars, so the equations are just not equal.

[Flying Pig]

 I dont need an explanation as to why NSCC can make it happen and CAP cant.  I was in CAP 20+ years.

My 12 year old didnt really care why either.  All he knew was that Sea Cadets got to do it and he didnt. 

[NCRblues]

This seems like the NLO had a bad dream about lawsuits, overreacted, and rubberstamped something out, that is confusing and has loopholes big enough to drive an A380 through it.....

*fingers crossed for change in august*

[Майор Хаткевич]

I dont need an explanation as to why NSCC can make it happen and CAP cant.  I was in CAP 20+ years.

My 12 year old didnt really care why either.  All he knew was that Sea Cadets got to do it and he didnt.

Having met on the same base as the local NSCC and interacted with them, I can tell you right away that for them it was a "Hard kewl hangout club". They may call it a cadet program, but they (more often than not) goofed off.

Honestly, running around the woods of IL with unloaded M16s is something my buddies and I did on the weekends. Sure, ours were plastic, and theirs are the "real deal", but ours actually shot something at each other and theirs just did "bang bang".

Oh, and when it came to staffing the local Air Show? CAP cadets were put in charge of the AJROTC and the NSCC for purposes of a CoC.

[sneakers]

It's a little more than just goofing off. I've seen them firsthand actually training their cadets with firearm facsimilies on how to handcuff a person, react to an armed assailant, and training for street-to-street fighting.

That's both fun and offers valuable self-defense lessons to them. CAP really needs to get on board and realize that in order to improve retention and recruiting, we also need to offer more exciting opportunities on a regular basis (beyond flying a flider once a year).

[Майор Хаткевич]

It's a little more than just goofing off. I've seen them firsthand actually training their cadets with firearm facsimilies on how to handcuff a person, react to an armed assailant, and training for street-to-street fighting.

That's both fun and offers valuable self-defense lessons to them. CAP really needs to get on board and realize that in order to improve retention and recruiting, we also need to offer more exciting opportunities on a regular basis (beyond flying a flider once a year).

They are called NCSAs.

The week to week (month to month for them), seemed quite stale. They always looked forward to the "special" activities. There's a reason for that.

[wuzafuzz]

I dont need an explanation as to why NSCC can make it happen and CAP cant.  I was in CAP 20+ years.

My 12 year old didnt really care why either.  All he knew was that Sea Cadets got to do it and he didnt.

Having met on the same base as the local NSCC and interacted with them, I can tell you right away that for them it was a "Hard kewl hangout club". They may call it a cadet program, but they (more often than not) goofed off.

Honestly, running around the woods of IL with unloaded M16s is something my buddies and I did on the weekends. Sure, ours were plastic, and theirs are the "real deal", but ours actually shot something at each other and theirs just did "bang bang".

Oh, and when it came to staffing the local Air Show? CAP cadets were put in charge of the AJROTC and the NSCC for purposes of a CoC.

Just like CAP, I'm sure there are some local differences in NSCC units.  What you describe didn't happen in my NSCC squadron.  Granted that was a long time ago, but what I experienced was a quality cadet program.  Spending 2 weeks on an aircraft carrier was way cool.  One weekend a month at VP-65 was plenty cool.  The local CAP unit simply couldn't compete with that.  True, Navy support made all the difference.  At 14 years of age I didn't care WHY, simply that one military cadet program looked a lot more interesting to me.   Then I discovered Law Enforcement Explorers.  That was cooler than NSCC and CAP combined, at least to me.

I enjoy CAP and the ES side of things, but if there was a Sea Cadet unit near me I would have signed my kids up in a split second.

So at the end of the day, if CAP wants to recruit cadet members, we shouldn't be so risk averse we become outright boring.

[Майор Хаткевич]

The local unit was at Great Lakes...

[sneakers]

I enjoy CAP and the ES side of things, but if there was a Sea Cadet unit near me I would have signed my kids up in a split second.

So at the end of the day, if CAP wants to recruit cadet members, we shouldn't be so risk averse we become outright boring.

Amen to that!  :clap:

[BillB]

Many of the NSCC activities listed above, CAP used to take part in. At least the Air Force versions. Often the activities were held at encampments which were held on Air Force Bases. And back then almost every Wing held a two week encampment. Florida ran two, two week summer encampments for 300 cadets each. But the Air Force has lost to many bases, and those remaining are overcrowded and can't support that many cadets for that length of time. Many bases could support a week long 25 cadet special activity in specific areas such as military communications, aircraft mainenance etc. Many training programs at a special activity might be part of the ES missions such as Air Force Base operations that would relate to CAP mission operations.