Female members' optional wear of hosiery?

[Dad2-4]

Am I missing an ICL to 39-1? Is there a new change that allows female members to not wear hosiery with a skirt? I am seeing it more often in photos.
Call me old school on what looks correct. But have the regs actually changed?

[NIN]

Technically it is required in both USAF-style and Corporate.

4.1.12.8. Footwear. Hosiery (or Black socks) and Low Quarters, Dress Boots, Pumps or Slipon Shoes are required with this uniform. For description, see paragraph 6.4

[from the Class B blues description]

and

6.4.2.1. Hosiery. Hosiery will be worn with the Mess Dress, Semiformal, and Service Dress Uniform (skirt). Hosiery will be plain commercial, sheer, nylon in neutral, dark brown, black or off  black, or dark blue shades. Patterned hosiery is not authorized to be worn with any uniform. Hosiery must be worn with the skirt and are optional with slacks; however, if not wearing hosiery with slacks, plain (not patterned) black socks must be worn.

and

6.4.5.1.    Hosiery. Hosiery will be worn with the Corporate Service Uniform. Hosiery will be plain commercial, sheer, nylon in neutral, dark brown, black or off-black, or dark blue shades. Patterned hosiery is not authorized to be worn with any uniform. Hosiery must be worn with the skirt and are optional with slacks.

Honestly: I guess I never super paid attention to this.  For some reason, I thought hoisery was made optional at some point, but it was not.

[PHall]

The currant AF Uniform Manual says they're not required (DAFI 36-2903, 7 Feb 2020) Para 7.4.2.1 Hosiery may be worn with the formal dress, mess dress, semi-formal dress and service dress uniform (skirt).
But the CAP uniform manual says they're required. Just another case where the AF and CAP uniform manuals differ.

[Shuman 14]

This is why there needs to be a "general" clause in 39-1 which states in effect that if the USAF changes DAFI 36-2903, CAP will comply with the changes immediately and will reflect those changes CAPR 39-1 in its next update.

In the cases where DAFI 36-2903 abolishes and/or replaces an actual uniform article (such as ABUs being replaced by OCPs), CAP members will have a wear-out date five (5) years beyond the USAF wear-out date to stop wearing the old/abolished article/item and purchase the new/replaced article/item.

Once you get the USAF sign-off on the clause, you theoretically won't need another USAF sign-off for any USAF-style uniform that CAP will ever use, simply put, five years after any change, CAP must adopt the same change.

And questions like "When are we going to get OCPs" will already be answered and approved.

[HandsomeWalt_USMC]

I had that same thought! It would need a bit more fleshing out but my idea was 6mo from USAF adoption for CAP to submit CAP modifications to CAP-USAF for approval then another 6mo from approval to publishing of the ICL adopting the new USAF style uniform for CAP use.

[Shuman 14]

I had that same thought! It would need a bit more fleshing out but my idea was 6mo from USAF adoption for CAP to submit CAP modifications to CAP-USAF for approval then another 6mo from approval to publishing of the ICL adopting the new USAF style uniform for CAP use.

I like it!

[etodd]

There are always those at events that will point out if something about someone's uniform isn't just right. But has any of those uniform police types ever had the nerve to walk up to a woman and say "Please cover up those non-regulation legs!"

[ColonelJack]

But has any of those uniform police types ever had the nerve to walk up to a woman and say "Please cover up those non-regulation legs!"

Not if said person wanted to go home that evening with his/her face in the same condition it was in when they arrived, they haven't.

Jack

[NIN]

There are always those at events that will point out if something about someone's uniform isn't just right. But has any of those uniform police types ever had the nerve to walk up to a woman and say "Please cover up those non-regulation legs!"

Let me understand what you're saying.

"There's some rules, but you know, I'm not going to ask you to follow them because they make ME uncomfortable?"

[Dad2-4]

As a DCC I have corrected a female cadet for showing up to uniform inspection with no hose. Very disruptive to the formation because the other cadets had never seen this tall, pleasant looking cadet in a skirt before.
If I ever said something to a female SM and got struck, IG and local law enforcement would be involved in the assault case.

[etodd]

As a DCC I have corrected a female cadet for showing up to uniform inspection with no hose. Very disruptive to the formation because the other cadets had never seen this tall, pleasant looking cadet in a skirt before.
If I ever said something to a female SM and got struck, IG and local law enforcement would be involved in the assault case.

Wow! If this was any other chat or forum other than CAP ... you'd be getting burned right now from all the women chiming in that the "pleasant looking cadet in a skirt" was NOT the cause of disruption , but the Cadets (I assume male Cadets) that were causing the disruption checking her out.

Sounds like the male Cadets need to learn some manners, and keep their eyes up higher. Don't blame the female Cadet.

[ColonelJack]

As a DCC I have corrected a female cadet for showing up to uniform inspection with no hose. Very disruptive to the formation because the other cadets had never seen this tall, pleasant looking cadet in a skirt before.
If I ever said something to a female SM and got struck, IG and local law enforcement would be involved in the assault case.

It was a joke.

Jack

[TheSkyHornet]

As a DCC I have corrected a female cadet for showing up to uniform inspection with no hose. Very disruptive to the formation because the other cadets had never seen this tall, pleasant looking cadet in a skirt before.
If I ever said something to a female SM and got struck, IG and local law enforcement would be involved in the assault case.

It was a joke.

Jack

Honestly, joke or not, I would really recommend that we don't even approach making jokes like that on this forum or any other public media channel in which senior members remark about the pleasant appearance of any cadet.