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Eclipse
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« on: October 23, 2017, 09:57:28 PM »

"Dear Valued CAP Member

The industry best practice for nonprofit volunteer organizations, as well as most government agencies, is to conduct background rescreening every five years. As the U.S. Air Force’s newest Total Force partner, it is imperative that CAP always maintains the support, confidence and trust of our parent organization. To demonstrate due diligence and get CAP into the five-year rescreening cycle, we have contracted with Verified Volunteers, a highly respected company that regularly completes background screening for numerous volunteer organizations, including Big Brothers Big Sisters, Girl Scouts, and Pop Warner Football.

Initially, approximately 13,500 members screened prior to 2014 will be rescreened. These background checks will be conducted electronically; a fingerprint card and the normally required paperwork are NOT required. The rescreening process will begin in the next several weeks and will be completed in early 2018.

National Headquarters will use its currently-established process to review any information received. Members will, of course, have the opportunity to provide documentation or additional information before a final decision concerning membership eligibility is reached.

Please note that CAP Regulation 39-2, paragraph 3.2.2.2, requires all members to notify National Headquarters within 30 days of any changes on the membership application that may affect membership eligibility. Although we know this would be a very rare occurrence, an arrest after joining CAP that has not been reported to National Headquarters should be reported now, prior to the rescreening process. This could reduce the amount of time required to adjudicate any findings and help to ensure continuous participation in Civil Air Patrol.

Once these initial rescreenings are completed, all Civil Air Patrol senior members will be rescreened every five years, concurrent with their membership renewal date starting in 2019. Initial screening for new members will still be accomplished through the current screening process.

Thank you for your support as we make this important change to our membership screening process.

Sincerely



MARK E. SMITH
Major General, CAP"


That...is a win...
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« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2017, 10:03:35 PM »



That...is a win...

Are you expecting our numbers to be pared down?
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« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2017, 10:10:29 PM »

One and done for background checks certainly isn't best practice.
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« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2017, 10:49:26 PM »



That...is a win...

Are you expecting our numbers to be pared down?

Yes, and I understand it has happened before.

I was not a member, but I was told on more then one occasion that in the mid-90's
when NHQ started doing FBI checks and required all members to submit fingerprints,
a non-trivial number of people either self-selected to avoid embarrassment or were
found to have "issues" that disqualified their membership.

This is a definite step in the right direction. If not a single member is terminated,
great, we've got a new baseline.
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« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2017, 06:49:47 AM »

Periodic re-screens are a good idea. Looks like they're making it low friction for members too, which is nice.
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« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2017, 07:44:05 AM »

A painless way to do things. Who would have thought we could provide a great service without causing the membership undo hardship. Go figure... ;D
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« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2017, 09:56:29 AM »

Concur...This is a good thing and long overdue.
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« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2017, 10:26:33 AM »



I recall the first cadet protection policy being briefed to us at a 1989 Wing Conference; the finger printing and checks for all over-18s started then, and we started losing a certain segment of members. By 1991 I think that loss was over and done, and we had exposed quite a few people that had obviously been sailing under false colors with us from day one. Not a bad thing at all; some had convictions of bad things. I would doubt that we'd see the number of voluntary attrits as we did when screening was instituted, but one and done is thankfully headed out.

If you have a clearance, you are long used to reinvestigation as a normal and healthy thing.

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« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2017, 10:31:12 AM »

CPP was implemented circa 1988.  I know this because I was stationed at Cp Humphreys Korea, and I went down to the PMO to have them print me after my squadron commander mailed me a card.

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« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2017, 11:28:21 AM »

When the screenings started in the 80's it was specifically mentioned that there would be recurrent screenings about every 5 years. I guess monetary concerns kept that from happening.
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« Reply #10 on: October 24, 2017, 01:18:13 PM »

Oh no, there going to find out about that one time in Vegas, Oh well... nice knowing yall.
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« Reply #11 on: October 24, 2017, 01:32:32 PM »

Oh no, there going to find out about that one time in Vegas, Oh well... nice knowing yall.

Don't sweat it. What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas.
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« Reply #12 on: October 24, 2017, 01:39:29 PM »

Oh no, there going to find out about that one time in Vegas, Oh well... nice knowing yall.
Don't sweat THAT one time, worry about the 27 other times... >:D
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« Reply #13 on: October 24, 2017, 02:09:54 PM »

I'm not sure they had to tell us they were re-screening, but it's smart that they did. Instead of having to talk with certain members about stuff that popped up and all the hassle that comes with it, most of those folks will suddenly be disappearing on their own. Win-win.
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« Reply #14 on: October 24, 2017, 03:57:25 PM »

Periodic screening is a good idea.  It's also called "due diligence".  That said, I sincerely hope CAP's OPSEC  is better than that of OPM, DOD, EquiFax, VA, etc.  I also expect to see a hard copy letter to my address of record advising me to call the CAP NHQ phone number.  I don't do online surveys purportedly from a legitimate source... thats a great spoofing technique.  And especially if I am expected to spill personal, private (and commercially valuable) details on my life that can be translated into commoditized product and sold online.

The IRS doesn't contact taxpayers online, banks may - but use far more sophisticated methods than CAP's hokey cybersecurity CAP, OPM doesn't, Social Security doesn't, investment houses (mutual funds, etc. don't...  CAP really needs to be very professinal about this entire re-screen thing.
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« Reply #15 on: October 24, 2017, 04:19:30 PM »

Haven't they been rescreening CD folks every so often.  I'm sure I remember doing that at least once, but I haven't been qualified in that for 5+ years now. 
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« Reply #16 on: October 24, 2017, 04:20:21 PM »

I also expect to see a hard copy letter to my address of record advising me to call the CAP NHQ phone number.

For?
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« Reply #17 on: October 24, 2017, 04:21:24 PM »

Haven't they been rescreening CD folks every so often. 

You get a more through, second BGC in order to qualify for CD, but AFAIK you only get
rescreened if your qual lapses.
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« Reply #18 on: October 24, 2017, 09:03:12 PM »

Periodic screening is a good idea.  It's also called "due diligence".  That said, I sincerely hope CAP's OPSEC  is better than that of OPM, DOD, EquiFax, VA, etc.  I also expect to see a hard copy letter to my address of record advising me to call the CAP NHQ phone number.  I don't do online surveys purportedly from a legitimate source... thats a great spoofing technique.  And especially if I am expected to spill personal, private (and commercially valuable) details on my life that can be translated into commoditized product and sold online.

The IRS doesn't contact taxpayers online, banks may - but use far more sophisticated methods than CAP's hokey cybersecurity CAP, OPM doesn't, Social Security doesn't, investment houses (mutual funds, etc. don't...  CAP really needs to be very professinal about this entire re-screen thing.

Did you not read the letter?

CAP has engaged the services of a reputable 3rd party (you know, reputable. Hopefully moreso than Equifax?) that does this kind of rescreening for lots of organizations.  I have a friend whose son, a former cadet, does this for a living (probably not for the same outfit). Its a lot of public records searches, 3rd party database searches, law enforcement stuff, etc.

I'm pretty sure that unless they need to confirm that you're Anthony Soprano Jr and not Sr, you're not even going to get a phone call.

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« Reply #19 on: October 24, 2017, 10:13:10 PM »



Did you not read the letter?

CAP has engaged the services of a reputable 3rd party (you know, reputable. Hopefully moreso than Equifax?) that does this kind of rescreening for lots of organizations.  I have a friend whose son, a former cadet, does this for a living (probably not for the same outfit). Its a lot of public records searches, 3rd party database searches, law enforcement stuff, etc.

I'm pretty sure that unless they need to confirm that you're Anthony Soprano Jr and not Sr, you're not even going to get a phone call.

I did.

Volunteer Verification is owned by Sterling Infosystems. A Google search on this company doesn't give me warm fuzzy feelings on the way they do their business. Plenty of complaints and lawsuits from both paying clients as well as those investigated for faulty reporting, illegal search procedures and fraudulent billing. This includes a number of class action lawsuits directed against them.

Oh, by the way, your personal information, including your SSN, will be processed by Sterling employees located in India. They actually closed a 600 man office here in the US and relocated offshore a few years ago.

NHQ would be better served re-running everyone's fingerprint cards every 5 years than this.
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